The whole point of book 6 is to explore Voldemort's backstory so Harry can try to learn what the horcruxes are and where to find them. They cut all of that out of the movie, so they changed it so he conveniently gets visions of the horcruxes now for some reason.
Also a key plot point in the seventh movie is when Harry pulls a shard of glass out of his sock and is able to talk to Aberforth who sends Dobby to help them. In the movies it's never explained why Harry has that or why he would be able to talk to someone using it.
You guys are high. Book 6 sucked balls. It was "Here's a thin plot stretched around a bunch of backstory on a character you don't give a shit about. Also a predatory professor. Enjoy!"
Right? I started getting irritated with all the Voldemort back lore. I loved when they were just having adventures at Hogwarts and learning magic. Goblet of fire has all the adventure of the wizarding world before it got all dark. Peak HP!
We saw the fifth movie in the theaters and my Mom had to keep leaning over to ask me what was going on because that movie is more like a rough outline of the book that mostly just touches on the major story beats.
But with a bunch of nonsense filler taking up time in the name of "comedy".
Like Filch nailing Umbridge's decrees up on the wall, and ooh, look at how far his ladder bucks off the wall with each hammer blow!
Just ignore that NO ONE CAN READ THEM TWENTY FEET IN THE AIR!
I also resented how they treated Umbridge’s rules as silly nagging. Every edict in the book was a serious blow! “BAM no quidditch! BAM the antidote to my propaganda is banned!”
“Oh Umbridge is so horrible in the movies!” SHE WASN’T HORRIBLE *ENOUGH.*
TBF, the movie was released in 2001. Order of the Phoenix didn't come out until 2003. It wasn't yet apparent Neville was anything more than a bumbling, comic relief side character.
Cutting him from the movie scene made sense at the time.
She was pretty terrible at stuff like this. Forgot to include a scene of Harry picking up the mirror shard he'd use to see Aberforth so it just awkwardly shows up at the start of Deathly Hallows 2.
Writer here. It's somewhat true. We might think about the next book if we plan a series. But we sure don't think of every little detail. Especially during earlier parts of a book.
That's actually more of the same. In the commentary, they mentioned they put it in without having a real idea of how it was going to get used in the future.
I read (but did not check) she had a talk with the publisher before publishing book 1, as they were not that sold on book 1, so she explained the main story line up to and including book 7, and that convinced them. So she did have the big plot line in her head at least.
Neville had a definite presence in the movies. In the scenes where he was cut, did it really contain much crucial character or plot development? He was never a main character, not even in the books. He turned out to be super important to the story yes, but I don't think it makes much difference whether he was present for many scenes. Other than a chance to get to know him a bit more.
Putting only the main 3 in the scene is visually more efficient since it is easier for our brain to keep 3 things in mind at once. And just including a scene of a character is not worthwhile developed or progression, if that character doesn’t end up doing very much both in the long and short term.
Despite what most seem to think Neville is not that important to the narrative overall, that’s why he was so easy to cut in most of the movies. Same with Debbie in every movie after 2, where he made a cameo and his awful death in 7. It’s unlikely we’d gain much overall from Neville’s extended screen time, so adding it is probably not worth while
Well given how renowned and beloved the films were I’d say they did their best and it was more than enough lol. They already got pretty long by the end, including even more would have been impractical
Authors aren't usually given much control of how an adaptation of their books will go.
Rowling had minimal say in how the productions went. She did insist that everyone on the cast had to be from the UK, but there wasn't much she could control beyond that.
And it's almost the opposite problem, at least with the early books. They might be too short for full episodes. The latter books will pose the opposite problem (again) as they might be too long for just 10 episodes a season. But we'll get there if we ever get there.
Black Snape doesn't inspire much confidence, though.
I feel they didn't think this through cause that dude is supposed to get hung up and bullied by a bunch of white kids
not to mention Harry distrusts him from the get go pretty much solely based off his creepy appearance (which the actor doesn't fit, bro radiates handsome man energy). they're really asking for that racism conroversy
Like peeves…. Why was my goat absent? And nearly headless Nicks death day party?! Floating over the rotten food and pretending they could taste it was my favorite part of chamber of secrets.
Edit: I said PoA at first then quickly realized it was in chamber of secrets.
Not really. Theres no need to have every detail depocted on screen. With that logic the lord of the rings should have a remake because Glorfindel was not the one to save Frodo but Arwen was
In the grand scheme of things, while not as faithful as an adaptation, good old Tom Bombadil wasn't that important compared to everything else that did make the cut.
But how is this reason that the remake needs to be made? It's reasonable to expect changes from the source material and I doubt the remake will have everything be 1 to 1 either.
And the thing is, it's true that the first 2 movies are close to the books, but book 3 onwards are far too big and those books are the reason for re-adaptation.
Half-Blood Prince reduced what was multiple chapters and easily ~100 pages of Tom Riddles/Voldemorts backstory into like 5 minutes of flashbacks in the film. Those more a major part of that book and the way the narrative is told, switching between the current time with Harry and the gang and then a following chapter it being a flashback. Basically all gone.
And the fact that HP merch with the original actors on it pays royalties to actors who... are willing to say JKRs transphobia is bad, actually. I strongly expect all new merch to be designed specifically to avoid giving them money
Yeah, it's awful how Neville in the movies is reduced to a dumb gag character and then suddenly in the last one he gets the Sword of Griffindor. No foreshadowing at all, nothing; bro just goes from zero to hero within a couple of minutes/hours of the invasion.
Neville got left out of everything for basically no reason, so was Ginny. It's referenced like 4 times that people think the trio is closer with Neville than they really are.
It was. But I get the skepticism, what with so many adaptations being full of original material that deviates from the source material and leaves perfectly good content un-adapted.
Snape was basically a member of Hitlers Youth wasn't he? Bullying is always nasty but he was totally for the torture, subjugation and murder of muggles. Dude was a piece of crap even as a teen.
Not by that point in the plot no, he was just a Slytherin kid who was interested in dark magic and the marauders had been bullying him for almost their entire stint at Hogwarts (so from 11-12 y/o)
Dude became a bad person who made bad choices but the entire point was that his treatment by his abusive parents, lack of care from teachers and bullying from peers of other houses lead to those bad choices.
The marauders bullied him because he was into the dark magic stuff, hung out with other dark magic supporting kids, practiced dark arts. Lily was protecting him since they were childhood friends, but that stopped, when out of anger he called her mudblood too. (basically like calling your friend an N-word with a hard R) That showed his true colors, even when he tried to apologize, he didn't want to call Lily that. That showed he would treat others like that, Lily was just a special case.
So no, while their methods were despicable too, they didn't bully Snape for no reason, causing him to join the Death Eaters. He was very much already on that path, and that's why they despised him.
He was not a "half-blood getting lynched by a rich white boy" he was a violent blood supremacist bully who got a taste of his own medicine by other bullies. They literally used his own spell against him.
A 20 years younger Alan Rickman would've been the best option, but alas. In current times, I think Adam Driver would be a great choice, even if he's 10 years older than Snape at this point should be.
Oh, I stand corrected. It was discussed when the park opened, but seems they ultimately chose yearly payments. She gets a percentage of all merch and themed food sold.
The reason this show was made was to suck as much money out of the corpse of the Harry Potter franchise as possible. Before queen TERF ruins her reputation entirely.
I dont think anything she could do would kill the franchise tbh, most people do not care what the creator of content does so long as they enjoy the content
I imagine you mean it being created by the Nazi's. There's a difference between a product having a shit history and a shit person actively profiting from the product, though.
There was huge rationing for cloth in Germany. You couldnt mass produce clothes. The only clothes that were produced at that scale were uniforms, that werent even Designed by Hugo boss. They had no choice or their company would have gone bankrupt.
A better example would be Porsche since Porsche gleefully wanted to design tanks for the wehrmacht and he was a big part in the beginning of Volkswagen which was a nazi idea at the time.
Yeah, and that’s the problem. When a content creator publicly states that they consider support of their content to also be support of their vitriol & hated of others, you stop supporting it, no matter the content. I was absolutely obsessed with HP (in multiple clubs, played RPG games, wrote fanfiction) and I haven’t watched or supported anything new in years because of Rowling. It’s not hard, people just don’t want to be inconvenienced.
I get not liking JK, there are very good reasons to hate her, but to claim that the HP franchise is nothing but a corpse is utterly idiotic. It is immensely popular. You can hate her and still acknowledge reality.
I think people are still stuck on the Fantastic Beasts' sequels' poor reception, ignoring that the themed lands in Universal Studios are still very much packed and the studio tours being visited a ton.
The heart poured into the original films and themed lands by other artists just can't be swept away that easily, especially when some of the UK's most prolific actors were involved, as well as you know, John Williams. I'm not interested in the new show but what was there before has been incredibly significant that it would be weird to assume it was just a fad.
Puma and Adidas had shady history, but JK Rowling has happily, and very explicitly stated that she uses the money she earns from Harry Potter to fund groups that target trans people.
It's just the raw reality of it. If you're paying to watch the new Harry Potter series, or buy any new Harry Potter product, your money is going to harm trans peoples' lives. You can hum and haw about it all you want, but it is the reality of it.
Vast majority of people just don't care about about trans stuff. No sympathy or hate. Just straight up indifference. As such jk can be as bigoted as she wants without facing any substantial boycott/loss/damage to her or the Harry Potter IP. Sad but the truth. Inspite of all the transphobia, she has faced no major repercussions, especially financially. Attempts to boycott harry potter franchise have all gone to vain
Yeah this is one of those cases where reddit is completely detached from reality. Like I always thought Harry Potter kinda sucks and JK Rowling is an asshole but if you’re not terminally online you will see that a vast majority of casual HP fans don’t even know who JKR is beyond the name of the author.
yeah I mean my friend group is filled with loads of LGBT and other ally types, like 8 or so people I'd call close supportive friends still went on to buy hogwarts legacy. As with all consumerism, most people don't care that what they're paying for directly funds things that they would hate. I care more about my relationships with these people than the very minimal impact their purchase had, stings though.
IF some of the most supportive people I know can't set aside their nostalgia and at the very least consume this media without paying for it, then the average person almost certainly does not give a singular fuck.
You're in for a rude awakening if you think that the Harry Potter franchise is a corpse. It still makes fuckloads of money and has shitloads of fans world wide. The videogame Hogwarts Legacy was the biggest game of the year it released.
This show will most definitely bring in more money and views than people are hoping for on reddit.
A fact I did like about the books is that it takes both Harry and Neville to kill Voldemort. It's a nice touch. To this day it could be interpreted as both of them being required, or just a coincidence.
JK Rowling still sucks ass tho so I'll look at stuff exploring that in fanfics. And cry because so many forget that moment
The very fact that Voldemort attacked Harry meant that Harry was from then on the chosen one. Dumbledore even spells this out for Harry after the battle at the department of mysteries. The prophecy mentions "marked as his equal".
While Neville also fit all the criteria, the moment Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow decided who would be the chosen one.
Parents of the chosen were said to have confronted the dark lord before (twice iirc) and survived. Both the Potters and the Longbottoms did so. Voldy more or less gambled when he chose the Potters. Both families were completely identical in regards to the prophecy. Even their background was more or less similar.
Oh interesting, that’s why it always fell so off that a seemingly minor character like him would cut the head of the snake. So he was there all along in the books!
In the movies, Hermione's characterization as "the smart one" led to her pretty much always being the source of exposition. In the books, while she is very academic and book smart, there are things she simply doesn't understand about wizard culture because she was muggle-born. Ron, being the only one of the trio who was actually raised in the wizarding world, is usually the one who will explain things about wizarding culture to the other two, especially when that thing is something that is not going to be found in books, such as prejudices and biases.
One big example is in Chamber of Secrets when Draco calls Hermione a mudblood. In the movie, Hermione explains (through tears) to Harry what mudblood means. In the book, she had no idea what the term means - Ron instead is the person that explains the background of wizarding prejudice based on blood status to the other two. Because a bigoted slur like that is not the type of term a 12-year-old will come across in her schoolbooks.
Other moments where Ron explains something in the books, but the lines are given to Hermione in the movies - explaining the bias against Parseltongue, werewolves, and giants that wizards have.
damn that explain alot about ron seemingly left out in the film
while he is get screen time here and there, ron felt really not that important in the grand scheme of things in the movie
Thanks! Yeah it does make sense that Ron would explain the pop culture to the other two, never thought about it. I think in the movies they present Hermione as the only one of the trio who always “gets” the things or is always in control, while Ron gets the worst part looking like the buffoon of the three and it seems in the books he was better.
No, we know exactly the reason why the remake is being done. It's because the mold infested terf wants to replace the original cast because they have morals and don't support her transphobic crusade
Lol they would be making this thing even if JK wasn't a terf. It's all greed motivated, they don't give a shit who she is, they just want more franchises to milk
Hbo sure, they'd want it for moneys sake. I'm not suggesting they have some transphobic agenda. I'm suggesting the reason she's gunning for it is bc the prev cast stood up to her
Carter here, off course the answer is money, no matter the amount of people crying over the changes the first movie lineup made to the story from the books.
I mean... anyone who never read the books is about to be super confused in a lot of scenes. The movies straight up cut out some characters completely lol
I know this doesn't really add to the conversation much but i dont understand the need for a Harry Potter remake when The Silmarillion by Tolkien is untouched
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u/Significant_Box_4427, your post does belong here!