r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 3d ago

Meme needing explanation Petah??

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u/Zestyclose-Scale-903 3d ago

Its neville... he forgot the password and was up there as well...

u/Sindigo_ 3d ago

Ugh. That Twitter poster makes a great point.

u/tomatoe_cookie 3d ago edited 2d ago

Not really. Theres no need to have every detail depocted on screen. With that logic the lord of the rings should have a remake because Glorfindel was not the one to save Frodo but Arwen was

u/Icy-Guarantee6994 3d ago edited 3d ago

Or because they totally excluded Tom Bombadil.

In the grand scheme of things, while not as faithful as an adaptation, good old Tom Bombadil wasn't that important compared to everything else that did make the cut.

u/DeathByFright 2d ago

Tom Bombadil is incredible worldbuilding in a novel.

In a film, he'd grind the pacing to a halt for half an hour. Jackson made the right call.

u/Anthaenopraxia 3d ago

He's in the Soviet version oddly enough.

u/BuildingLess1814 1d ago

In Soviet Russia, you don't cut Bombadil.

Bombadil cuts you!

u/neph36 3d ago

Fellowship in general was heavily condensed. They should have made that one 2 movies.

u/KjellRS 3d ago

I doubt that, there were already complaints at the end of Fellowship that the big reveal was that Gandalf fell and that it had no real ending. If people had learned there was yet another 3h movie full of setup they'd be howling. But it could have been done like a Game of Thrones season, 8-10 one hour segments with a bunch of mini-cliffhangers instead. But fantasy and TV series didn't really have the budget to do it back then, the success of LotR is part of what made it possible.

u/neph36 2d ago edited 2d ago

They made 3 movies out of the Hobbit, they definitely could have done it.

The big bad in the first half could have just been the Nazgul and it ends when they reach Rivendell, successfully evading them and making it to this mythical place of safety. They didn't even have a plan for mordor yet. The tension trying to stay clear of them was much more detailed and intense in the book. The movies could have been a little shorter then too, definitely not 3hr each.

Calling the second half of Fellowship full of setup is a stretch. Two main characters die (if you include Gandalf), there is serious action in the mines, the fellowship disbands.

The Lord of the Rings has always been about the journey and the immense amount of lore. It doesn't have to be everyone's cup or tea. I'd even say Fellowship's "setup" is what makes LotR so great.

u/nihil8r 2d ago

they made 3 hobbits because the original series was so well received. you couldn't start out doing that, financially.

u/neph36 2d ago

They made 7 Harry Potters and that was an insane amount of setup for a far less know series and that did fine

u/willflameboy 2d ago

I said it at the time and I'll say it now: Tolkien would disagree

u/Icy-Guarantee6994 2d ago

Love the books, love his writing. He wasn't a cinema guy. Tom Bombadil wouldn't make the movies better. They are long as it is and almost perfect for what they aimed for.

Bombadil is exactly the kind of character and sub-story that works wonders for a TV series, but not a film. They also cut stuff like all the songs and all the times people took showers and ate and stuff. You can't add everything to a film.

On the other side of the spectrum, the hobbit films added a million things and they were much worse for the wear.

u/WitnessMyAxe 3d ago

Or because they totally excluded Tom Bombadil.

and Goldberry 😡 at least we actually *saw* Tom in Rings of Power S2

u/tomatoe_cookie 2d ago

Too bad no one really saw RoP

u/WitnessMyAxe 2d ago

i liked both seasons, but yeah. too bad Bezos couldn't get the rights for the Silmarillion (the whole point of the fucking show honestly) and went ahead with the show anyway...
also too bad the grifters reviewbombed it to oblivion for being "woke"

u/tomatoe_cookie 2d ago

I watched 3 episode, i dont belive something genuinely this attrocious can be excused with "review bomb". A show can be a stinking pile of shit AND be review bombed.

u/WitnessMyAxe 2d ago

wouldn't go as far as to call it "atrocious" but yeah i know it was pretty bad (mostly because of the whole Silmarillion rights issue if you ask me). you still can't really deny the absolute fact that most of the hate came from far-right "anti-SJW" grifters.
this crap happens all the time. something (subjectively) bad comes out that happens to have a diverse/inclusive cast and/or message and the amount of hate it receives is always disproportionately from the troglodyte grifters who literally make all their money off of spreading hate and pandering to the worst of the worst of humanity.

u/tomatoe_cookie 2d ago

Im not denying it, you are right on the extra hate because the elf is black. Im just making sure its clear that those grifters tend to mostly influence terminally online people. Average views dont know or care about them

u/WitnessMyAxe 1d ago

extra hate because the elf is black

and the female dwarves
and Galadriel just existing and being her usual badass self (except she's young this time so they're *more* attracted to her and very vexxed by the fact that she's not a meek little housewife) GRRR!! SJW!!!
and Elrond being so fuckable (ok that one might just be me :3)

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u/Electronic_Bad_5883 2d ago

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's one of Amazon's most viewed shows. The greater Tolkien fanbase is heavily mixed on it but it does have an audience.

u/tomatoe_cookie 2d ago

What are the comtenders here?

u/_avee_ 3d ago

That was Glorfindel by the way. Gil-Galad died a couple of thousand years earlier.

u/Lhasa-bark 3d ago

We see Gil-Galad briefly in the prologue, right?

u/Tirriss 2d ago

Very briefly yes

u/tomatoe_cookie 2d ago

Shit yes you are right.

u/Glassperlenspieler 3d ago

Glorfindel

u/resonantranquility 3d ago

Glorfindel

u/papayacreamsicle 3d ago

If we’re calling new adaptations of books remakes then the Peter Jackson trilogy was already a much longer remake of a story that had already been filmed so why should that have been made?

u/tyrosine87 3d ago

There's an argument to be made that the Peter Jackson trilogy was better, of course.

I don't think "this book series with a beloved film series would be so much better if we forgot that films aren't books" is the best starting point.

u/poisonforsocrates 2d ago

A true LotR adaptation would be pretty significantly different but I don't think it will ever happen

u/tomatoe_cookie 2d ago

And hopefully it never happens, books and movies are not the same

u/eeeeeep 2d ago

But if you had eight hours, instead of a film, you could realise the author’s vision more faithfully, no?

u/tomatoe_cookie 2d ago

Do you know how long the films are ?

u/eeeeeep 1d ago

I think the first film is 2.5 hours and this first season will be over 7 hours? So about three times as long I guess?

u/tomatoe_cookie 1d ago

First film is 3h20 Second is 3h35 Last is 4h01

So yeah almost 12h

u/eeeeeep 1d ago

I think you may have been talking about Lord of the Rings

u/tomatoe_cookie 1d ago

I was, Im guessing you werent if you are saying this ? XD

u/eeeeeep 1d ago

Sorry yes I meant Harry Potter, so I think the series could add a lot more given the length.

This is will sound terrible I haven’t actually seen LotR, despite several friends haranguing me about it frequently! 🙈

u/tomatoe_cookie 1d ago

You should take 12hrs one weekend and watch the long versions !

u/eeeeeep 1d ago

I shall, definitely on the list. I’ve mostly pieced the story together from memes, which I don’t think is the same haha. I also read the Hobbit when I was younger and enjoyed it, so it should be fun! 💍🗡️

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u/eeeeeep 1d ago

Weird, IMDb says the first movie is 2hr32m and the second is 2hr41 mins. I think you’re a little off.

The movies total less than 20 hours. The series would likely be about 56 hours long if each book is presented in 8 episodes. So again, the series can put in much more content between twice and three times as much 👍

u/Possible_Field328 1d ago

Sarumon doesnt fall off the tower and die instead he takes over the shire

u/tomatoe_cookie 1d ago

Not really important in the grand scheme of things but I guess it could be added. Alongside everything else that was cut to make an interesting, grounded movie, rather than a bloated slop

u/Portugearl 3d ago

Yes, LotR is a great example of an excellent movie but a pretty mediocre adaptation. It's excellent, but it's nothing like the books.

u/MaleficentMode4222 2d ago

It deserves a remake because the films are mid with the most bland portrayals of the characters, and nerds have been banging on about it for decades as if there's more than their nostalgia holding it together at this point.

Edit: to be clear that was about lotr, but applies to hp too.