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PoliticalTea 🗳️ Should this man be impeached ?

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u/gmeape123 4d ago

Calling that shameless traitor to his own people a “man” is generous but yes

u/BrianG1410 4d ago

Impeached is far too kind.

u/TomeThugNHarmony4664 4d ago

And he should have never been confirmed in the first place. To Sen John Danforth’s perpetual shame— that and his promotion of Josh Hawley.

u/Yashema 4d ago

We need to stop blaming the problems of the US on individuals, not Thomas, or the SC or any Senator, or even Trump. 

There have been a dozen elections to change course, and voters have always consistently chosen for politicians who clearly have malicious intent either to punish the Democratic Party for perceived failures (such as recently on inflation) or because Republicans promise to address their 1 or 2 main issues. 

It's voters who are destroying our country, the politicians we get from the Right are the result of how they vote. 

u/Lucasinoz 4d ago

Yes! and now we’re stuck with these miserable sons of bitches of the Republican Party and their incredibly stupid and dangerous ‘inbred’ voter citizens who are brain insufficient and who are literally the ‘pollution’ that is rotting the country into the world’s toilet

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Which party wants EVERYONE to vote?

u/Ok_Dust_7325 4d ago

Not republicans

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Im absolutely positive that theres lots of ill-informed voters to go around.

u/ElectricalFish5044 4d ago

Republicans want as low a voter turnout as possible

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Do you think republicans dont want landslide victories?

u/my_taint_aint 4d ago

I do think anyone is saying all the problems are at the feet of one person, but this is a cause of the corruption and problems.

u/Yashema 4d ago

The amount of hate Thomas gets when Alito is every bit as awful having never voted against the Conservative majority in a critical case, but he keeps his nose cleans, suggest that isn't true. 

We have no idea if our government can actually take on corruption because the American people have literally never over the past 30 years empowered the government to take on corruption. 

u/my_taint_aint 4d ago

Funny you say that. They are the two that I think need to be impeached.

u/Yashema 4d ago

The American people have handed control of the SC to Republicans each of the three times they could in 24 years. Impeachmen does nothing when Americans don't really see protecting Democracy as an important issue. 

u/Narrow-Currency-6302 4d ago

Oh so what is the solution? Run on better policies? Maybe.

u/Yashema 4d ago

They run on protecting Democracy, they have run on campaign reform in every election since Obama, under Biden they passed $840 billion addressing rising Medicare costs and emission reduction incentives (50% projected reduction), most Democratic states already have $15+ minimum wage, abortion protections, legal marijuana, environmental polocy. The Democrats federally funded hundreds of thousand blue collar jobs by adding $575 billion to the infrastructure bill, they appoint reasonable people to head departments.

What policy arent they running on?

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

The politicians we get from the left are the result of how they vote. I understand that voters vote for the best liar, but what is your point?

u/Yashema 4d ago

What policy have Democrats lied on?

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Im sorry youre right Democrat politicians dont lie. Good luck out there.

u/Yashema 4d ago

It's funny how you don't want to discuss a specific policy they lied about.

Enjoy being "above it". 

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Ok heres a famous one. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, period. If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period". I hate to "whatabout" or "both sides", but what about both sides? To be a politician is to be untrustworthy because they cant make everybody happy but they have to convince everybody that they will. That is the truth. And, thats why elections are about picking the lesser of two evils, that which most aligns with your personal views. To not see this is to be blind or willfully ignorant. Im sure youre not ignorant but perhaps disingenuous. "What policy have democrats lied on?". Seriously?

u/Yashema 4d ago

That's a great point. Now let me ask you this: Did Obama pass the Affordable Care Act which was adopted by 38 states insuring millions with further funding provided by the Democrats under Biden increasing enrollment to a record 25 million in 2025 until Trump and the Republicans repealed it?

So Obama told a lie about healthcare, but he still managed to get major policy passed insuring millions. If that's the best lie you got and you are comparing that to Republicans you are just mental. 

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Its a lie. Told by a democrat. I apologize for not coming up with a more juicy one. Perhaps you could help me. Is lying moral when it achieves what some people want?

u/Yashema 4d ago

I'm not looking for moral purity in my politicians. 

Now the fact Obama authorized dozens of double-tap drone strikes. That's more war crime. 

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

I cant recall if Obama lied about the drone strikes or not. Heres my point, and I know its a "both sides" argument. You see, I may have voted republican in every election since I was old enough, but Im certainly not going to defend everything they do or pretend that they are superior individuals to democrats. I never would defend absolutely any politician or political party. I hold my nose and pull the lever for who I think is best. I feel that Im an informed voter because I care enough to discuss it.

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u/TomT060404 4d ago

Blame the stupid election system that gives so much power to rural hicks over the millions of progressive metropolitan voters. I know he won the popular vote the second time, but he would not have won if he didn't win the first time.

u/Yashema 4d ago

Or how about blame the blue collar voters who switched from Obama to Biden, and to a lesser extent, Black voters who stayed home because they weren't "enthusiastic" enough about Clinton, giving Trump the Midwest in 2016? Or Nader voters in Florida giving Bush enough room to steal the Presidency in 2000?

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

The Democrats have played along too. Look how many of the leadership have supported Trump and how many of the average democrats excuse Trump’s unlawful ascension to power. The Dems love the status quo more than the constitution or the people.

Trump and MAGA are to blame for starting the insurrection, the democratic leadership are to blame for intentionally aiding the insurrectionists after the fact.

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

What was it that was unlawful about Trumps ascension to power?

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

The 14th amendment says that he is disqualified from holding office. Ever since his insurrection turned violent on J6, he’s been disqualified:

“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

During The Biden administration, which was obviously the best time to do it, Trump was never even accused of insurrection.

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

He was accused plenty, by plenty of executive officials and was even found to have engaged in insurrection by two courts and the SOS of Maine.

But anyway… no accusations are necessary beyond what Biden could do through executive due process.

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

I dont think any 3 letter agency accused him though. Why not? And i sincerely dont understand what you mean in your last sentence.

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

No agency needs to have accused him. Accusations are neither here nor there, as they are not mentioned in the amendment. Biden could have accused Trump, through a process of Biden conducting executive due process. Much as Lincoln moved to suppress the confederates after he conducted executive due process and found the confederates to be in a state of insurrection and subject to suppression.

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Ok. If you cant tell Im not a legal scholar. But I dont see how Trump could be disqualified without being accused and found guilty. Im mean who has the legal authority to find that he commited this disqualifing act and then enforce the disqualification? Because if there is such a person or body that could find him disqualified, then Biden's term was the time for it to happen. I believe the supremes judged that he couldnt be removed from individual states ballots.

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

Ask yourself:

Are 25 year olds disqualified from running for president without being accused and found guilty?

Election officials have the authority to find that he engaged in insurrection and doesn’t meet the qualifications for office, so can’t lawfully appear in the ballot. Elections officials bar people from various ballots all the time. It’s so normal it doesn’t make the news. Elections officials like the Secretary of State of Maine, who ruled Trump was an insurrectionist and disqualified from the ballot.

Judges can also rule on the issue in civil court, and find that J6 was an insurrection, and that officials should be removed from office for participating. Just exactly as a judge ruled it was an insurrection and had Couy Griffin removed from office for his J6 involvement. Judges can also rule that Trump incited the J6 attack and that the attack was insurrection, as two courts did when they heard the case against Trump in Colorado. The state supreme court ruled he was disqualified from office as a result.

The only thing the Supreme Court did to throw a wrench in things, was that they invented a requirement that Congress had to approve legislation that enforced the disqualification, when the constitution requires no such thing. The amendment requires an act of Congress to remove the disqualification, not to enforce it. The executive branch can just enforce the disqualification.

Just as they can if the person isn’t 35 years of age. Just as they can if the person isn’t a natural born citizen, or a resident of the US for 14 years. Just as they can if the person has already been twice elected president. Just as they can if an official previously on oath to the constitution “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies [of the constitution].”

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u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

If his "insurrection" had not turned violent would he be qualified?

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

Yes.

It became an unlawful insurrection when it turned violent. He met the qualifications for office until J6.

But then, I can read the law objectively and let the Framers rule the issue through what they wrote and what legislative intent they gave us in the Congressional Record. I’m not grinding an ax, I’m going off objective facts of history and the law as written.

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Not to be cute, but can an insurrection be non violent?

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

It’s generally accepted as no, it is not insurrection if it is not violent, that would be just regular crime; but the definition doesn’t specify it. But once there is violence, it is defined insurrection etc. The original dictionary gives an extended coronation of what it is and isn’t, as compared to other, similar terms.

“INSURREC'TION, noun [Latin insurgo; in and surgo, to rise.]
1. A rising against civil or political authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of a law in a city or state. It is equivalent to sedition, except that sedition expresses a less extensive rising of citizens. It differs from rebellion, for the latter expresses a revolt, or an attempt to overthrow the government, to establish a different one or to place the country under another jurisdiction. It differs from mutiny, as it respects the civil or political government; whereas a mutiny is an open opposition to law in the army or navy. insurrection is however used with such latitude as to comprehend either sedition or rebellion.” From 1828.

Britannica has it as

“insurrection, an organized and usually violent act of revolt or rebellion against an established government or governing authority of a nation-state or other political entity by a group of its citizens or subjects; also, any act of engaging in such a revolt.”

u/Infamous_Ad8300 4d ago

Thanyou for looking that up.

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u/Yashema 4d ago

Republicans control the Presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court. They have Democratic authority to make any budgetary policy they want, so yes Democrats have to work with them. Many Democrats need "independent" voters to get elected. 

While Unde Biden with a narrow majority in Congress, Democrats passed $3.1 trillion in social legislation. Calling that the status quo is pure propaganda. Also at the state level every Democratic state has insisted a ton of Liberal priorities from raising the minimum wage, to criminal justice reform, to environmental policy. 

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

Yes.

And how did the MAGA traitors get to their current positions?

Biden doing fuck all to suppress them and see them all removed from office per the 14a and held for the duration of the insurrection. He had a job to do to enforce the law and failed.

MAGA is the one responsible for breaking the law, Biden is the one for failing to enforce the law.

u/Yashema 4d ago

Who elected Trump in the first place? Who elected Republicans to Congress who called the insurrection fake with many politicians refusing to acknowledge Biden won the election for over a month after the result was called? Who elected Trump again despite knowing what he did?

You know Trump could run for President from jail right? Or appoint a "successor" who could pardon him on day 1. 

Stop trying to blame Democrats for what the American people freely do. 

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

No one lawfully elected Trump again. He was disqualified by the 14a, for life, on J6. No, Trump can’t run for “ any Office, civil or military, under the United States, or any state,” because the 14th amendment says he can’t. Your feelings don’t matter, your opinion doesn’t matter, the plane text of the constitution is clear. The framers of the amendment were clear in their comments during the debate before passage of the 14th amendment. No executive official, including a president, can engage in insurrection and remain qualified for Office.

Now, what has any of the election stuff got to do with the basic facts? Trump publicly incited the insurrection. The insurrection began with a violent attack on the congress. The insurrection continues to this day and Biden did basically nothing about it for 4 years.

u/Yashema 4d ago

And the governing body that had clear authority to prosecute a President for actions taken in Office is Congress. Nixon and Clinton were both investigated and impeached by Congress.

No Republicans were willing to do that, and certainly not enough to convict. And Republicans controlled the SC who literally ruled in Trump v Anderson that:

The Supreme Court clarified that only Congress has the constitutional authority to enforce Section 3 against federal officeholders, typically by passing specific enabling legislation. Without a clear enforcement mechanism passed by Congress, a president cannot be automatically disqualified from office by outside lawsuits or state election officials.

So no you are wrong. Even if the DoJ convicted it would have done nothing

The American people saw Trump's actions and voted for him anyway. They are 100% responsible. 

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

lol. No, the Congress is not the commander in chief and is not charged with suppressing insurrectionists.

Why are so many Democrats so keen on making excuses for those that let Trump walk around freely and usurp power?

u/Yashema 4d ago

Congress when united is more powerful than the commander in chief requiring only a 2/3 majority to override any veto, and a 60 votes majority to appoint a special prosecutor. 

Trump was voted in Democratically in 2016 and 2024 by the American people. 

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

lol. Yes, when united. Which they aren’t. Why?

Because Biden didn’t arrest all of those who have held a seat in Congress in violation of the 14a, having failed to suppress the MAGA insurrection.

No, Trump was not voted in according to the rules of our democracy in 2024. You have to willfully ignore the qualifications for office to believe that.

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u/StrangeContest4 4d ago

Trump was indicted on over 90 charges in multiple states and in DC. The corrupt courts failed us, especially the Supreme Court. Even Nevada tried to keep Trump off the ballot for the 14th, but the court overturned it. He was never charged or tried for "insurrection." Hell, he never saw a single trial for the sedition or insurrection that he was the leader of.

Do I wish Biden had used his newly established Supreme Court's decree of Unlimited Unitary Executive Power, which would've given him immunity for all crimes committed as president? Yes I do. Did he make a mistake in hiring Merrick the Meek for AG? Definitely so, but charges were filed in multiple jurisdictions and the evidence was clear as day. He should have faced trial, but the courts failed us, and then the voters failed us again.

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

And how many of those charges induced Biden to arrest him? None.

How many attacks on the Congress and maintenance of his insurrectionist forces induced Biden to arrest him? None.

Trump is the offender, Biden was the CIC who did nothing to enforce the law.

u/StrangeContest4 4d ago

The president is not law enforcement.

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

Who mentioned law enforcement?

I’m talking about the CIC enforcing the law on insurrectionists as head of the military and militia, the whole reason the office was created was to do so. But then you would have to know American history and the law to know that. Fat chance.

Anyway, I’ll refute your baseless claim. Yes, the President is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States and is on oath to enforce the law. The AG has law enforcement duties delegated to them by statute (28 U.S.C. § 503), and even that just makes them head of the DOJ. It never mentions all law enforcement power belonging to the AG. All executive authority still resides with the President. But go ahead and cite the amendment that takes law enforcement power from the president. I’ll wait.

The President is charged to ensure the laws are executed: “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” Article II Section 3.

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u/TrickyMission 4d ago

Careful- your fascism is showing

u/ActivePeace33 4d ago

Enforcing the law on insurrectionist fascists isn’t fascism.

Do you also oppose how the law was enforced on the confederate insurrectionists?