Actually give this some thought.

I’m not well-versed in Xs and 0s, so my mind immediately goes back in time for comparisons and found three distinct possibilities.

I remember Michigan had an equally maligned QB in John Navarre in 2002 and finished in the top-10, despite a surprisingly close 10-7 win against Utah (w/Whittingham as DC). Also, Marcus Freeman-led Notre Dame finished second and 18th in seasons it had humiliating early-season losses. s.

But a top-10 finish seems insane, especially since Michigan sat on the ball and didn’t need a Hail Mary in 2002 Utah matchup. Something slightly worse than Sherrone’s first season seems likely. No passing game, great RBs, worse but still good defense, more experienced coaches. Oklahoma game is as ugly as Texas game. No win at Ohio State. 7-6 season.

But what if a perfect fit turns out to be terrible fit and Michigan's first season with Whittingham is almost as bad as its first with RichRod who also could not solve a MAC defense in a 13-10 loss to Toledo in year 1. After week 1 this season, it is not unfathomable that Michigan loses to No. 1 Ohio State, No. 2 Oregon, No. 6 Indiana, No. 10 Oklahoma, No. 18 PSU, No. 22 Iowa as well as Minnesota and UCLA in 4-8 season, which would have been 3-9 like RR’s if not for a bonus Hail Mary attempt.

Given that I had a local recording on my computer of the game, I thought I would go through a video analysis and check the frames to see the exact amount of time that elapsed during the first hail mary attempt, as well as an earlier point in time in the game where we can see how synchronized the NBC broadcast clock is to that of the stadium clock in the same shot as I do not have a view showing the stadium clock in the same view of the touch of the ball during the first hail mary attempt.

First up, let's review the clock behavior of the broadcast view of said first hail mary attempt.

At the snap: https://i.imgur.com/BlTZirm.jpeg Here, we see the timestamp of 3:40:15:27, or 3 hours, 40 minutes, 15 seconds and 27 frames. Since this recording was at 30 FPS, we can thus calculate the exact time to be 3:40:15.9 seconds

The time when the clock clicks down to 0:08: https://i.imgur.com/5kNWg2J.jpeg This timestamp is 3:40:16:12, or exactly 0.5 seconds later. Interestingly enough, this is before the QB even receives the ball.

The time when the clock clicks down to 0:00: https://i.imgur.com/iwG0MOS.jpeg The timestamp here is 3:40:24:08, which is, per the recording timestamps, 8.4 seconds after the center starts moving the ball, but also interestingly this is only 7.9 seconds after the clock clicked down to 0:08. I also checked how long this was since it stepped down from each of the previous seconds and found the following: 0:07-0:00;6.97s , 0:06-0:00;6.00s , 0:05-0:00;4.97s , 0:04-0:00;3.97s , 0:03-0:00;2.97s , 0:02-0:00;1.97s , 0:01-0:00;0.97s. The one frame discrepancy, or 0.03s is likely framerate mismatch/broadcast recording issues due to the broadcast being in 1080i on my local station, but why 0:08-0:07 is only 0.9 seconds is definitely a big question that is remaining and not something I would waive away with simple framerate/recording discrepancies. The ball is still in the air when the broadcast clock flips to 0:00.

The time when the touch occurs: https://i.imgur.com/P0xjoJ9.jpeg The timestamp here is 3:40:24:11, 3 frames after the clock hits 0 on the broadcast. Doing the math, we can thus determine that this touch occurred 8.47 seconds after the snap.

Thus, there should have been approximately 0.5 seconds left on the game clock.

Now, onto reviewing who is likely at fault for this clock discrepancy. Earlier in the 3rd quarter we got a view of the clock while the game was on https://i.imgur.com/Ouco7yl.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/O2VYaBR.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/0rveyQt.jpeg. We can see a 1-frame (0.033 second) potential discrepancy between the stadium clock and the broadcast clock. This is something you can notice a lot in live broadcasts where there's a slight delay in the video of the graphics vs the graphics changing. And as noted earlier, this could just be the interlacing broadcast causing this. You'll note, however, that before there were 3 frames between 0:00 and the touch of the ball ending the play. Thus, this is not conclusive proof that there was a discrepancy between the stadium clock and the broadcast clock. Michigan Stadium:0, NBC:1

Then, I found 5* more times in the 4th quarter where we got a view of the stadium clock while the broadcast clock was winding. 3 of these times, they were synchronized exactly and two times the stadium clock was winding a few frames ahead of the broadcast clock.

4th quarter, 11:26-11:25, exact match: https://i.imgur.com/8QLQ5PK.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/OphBH9R.jpeg

4th quarter, 10:28-10:27, exact match: https://i.imgur.com/xzEo9P8.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/99n1Kxw.jpeg

4th quarter, 6:22-6:21, stadium time changes 1 frame before broadcast: https://i.imgur.com/SUt8wIj.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Hv6VBes.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/da7cw63.jpeg

4th quarter, 5:01-5:00, stadium time changes 2 frames before broadcast: https://i.imgur.com/dZv0krs.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/aFWLwGI.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/O81OS08.jpeg

4th quarter, 0:37-0:36, exact match: https://i.imgur.com/Hu8PPHm.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Tu7PUJz.jpeg

Michigan Stadium: 5, NBC: 1

Therefore, throughout this we have at most a 0.033 second broadcast clock ahead of stadium clock, and all throughout the 4th quarter the broadcast clock was either identical to the stadium clock or behind. Thus, the onus likely falls on the Michigan Stadium clock.

Final Result

There was likely 0.5 seconds remaining on the game clock when the touch happened and if a clock that did not round down to zero when there was a half second left was used, it would show 1 second remaining. However, the argument can also still be made that Michigan's stadium clock, that the players and coaches actually get to see, very likely ticked down before the touch happened and thus Michigan should not get to benefit from the extra half second that should have been there for them had they been using a clock that would use proper rounding.

Edit: thanks to this commenthttps://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1wa0jn6/video_analysis_of_michigan_vs_western_michigan/p8ekmj6/ showing a video from the stand out looks like the stadium clock hits 0:00 when the players are back on the ground, therefore my new hypothesis is that resetting the clocks to 0:09 beyond the synchronization and NBC's clock is the one that improperly rounds. And does something weird with the 0:08 to 0:07 "second".

Everyone says that college football was the best whenever you were in high school or undergrad, but I really don't agree with that. I remember around 2019 I pretty much stopped watching until it dawned on me that the LSU team was doing something really really cool around November. And I think we've had enough time since this era to look back and see it for what it was, even in comparison to today. 

First, the playoff sucked up so much oxygen during the regular season it was unbearable. 

I don't know how many of you will remember that you could not watch a single ESPN broadcast, whether it was Alabama-Georgia or Ball State-Buffalo, without constant talk about the four-team playoff. It was truly insufferable that you could not watch a normal ACC broadcast without every single break in the game being used to talk about what Alabama and Clemson were doing. It didn't matter what it was you were watching, but every possible moment was used to talk about the four-team playoff, that so few teams had any hope of making, let alone winning, and it felt particularly egregious doing it while the CFP committee horrifically underranked those good American conference teams. It was so smug and obnoxious and unavoidable. 

I can watch a broadcast now and playoff mentions don't feel nearly as suffocating. I know that they definitely dialed it back after 2020. Still, they could be talking about it just as much but it doesn't feel as absurd or distracting because it is applicable to a much wider group of teams. I have gripes with how announcers talk about the sport still too, but that particular grievance is gone and I am grateful for that.  

Second, the conference landscape just felt like a waiting room stage. 

Does anyone else remember the 2015 Big XII sweepstakes? Everyone, from the teams who joined in 2023 to East Carolina and Colorado State, submitted application packages to the Big XII office in hopes of joining the league. To me, that is emblematic of what was going in that era. The conference landscape already killed off any sense of regionality, with the ACC killing the Big East and adding Louisville, the SEC expanding with Missouri and Texas A&M, the Big Ten pushing into the Northeast corridor with Maryland and Rutgers, the Big XII being home to West Virginia. Only the PAC-12 had any true sense of regionality, and it was rewarded with lower TV payouts, and the fewest CFP berths of the four-team era. For all the talk about how much everyone misses the old PAC-12 it's not like people tuned in to their games. 

But to the actual point, Texas and Texas A&M not playing every year, BYU's independence, Missouri being in the SEC east, Colorado feeling out of place in the PAC-12, and the Big XII feeling like it was always a breath away from collapsing into the brink while no conference was regionally coherent anymore just made the whole thing feel incomplete. Fourteen teams just felt weird and clunky. From a realignment perspective you just felt like you were waiting for the other shoe to drop to finish off the 2010-2014 round of realignment. 

Nowadays, 16 or 18 just feels like we've reached an endgame for realignment, with Colorado being back in the Big XII, Texas and A&M playing each other again, and the struggle of horrifically imbalanced divisions being washed away for something that is much more historically in-line with college football's history: bat-shit stupid tiebreakers because you don't play a round robin. I think it's kind of cool to see Penn State play USC more often, or Arizona State playing Texas Tech. It's still fun now that we've dropped the facade of regionality that an always-diminishing number of us were actually alive to see. 

And like we've seen with Pitt-West Virginia, or Missouri-Kansas, or Cal-UCLA, if you value the game, its on your AD to schedule it. Any future rivalry costs lie squarely with the schools instead of broader economic forces. I have a much more straightforward argument to call USC stupid and entitled and cowardly for ending the Notre Dame series and taking it off of its historic dates because the blame is entirely on them, instead of "oh well this conference offered us more money and to stay competitive in an ever-nationalizing landscape of college football we had to-" blah blah blah. No, if your school cares, just schedule the damn game. 
 
Third, finding games is so much easier, especially outside the power conferences. 

ESPN+ is genuinely awesome if you are a fan of G5 or FCS football. Having to navigate PlutoTV or whatever to find the Griz game, or pirating whatever regional affiliate would have the Wyoming game was awful. And broadcast quality at these places has improved exponentially since then, moving away from the student-. Few places nowadays have fuzzy and grainy camera footage that looks like it was pre-moon landing. I'm sorry for sounding like "you whippersnappers don't understand" but you really just don't understand the struggle, just like I don't understand the struggle of trying to watch all the games pre-cable. 

Fourth, it felt so stagnant and predictable. 

In any given year, Nick Saban was going to coach a team to win or play for a national championship. It just was a reality. And the way they did it was in the most boring playstyle imaginable, resulting in boring blowouts every year in the semifinals. You just knew that the college football playoff was a coronation every year, instead of a real contest. There was no intrigue. You knew that the Big Ten, outside of Ohio State, was going to look absolutely pathetic on the national stage against an SEC team or even a Big XII team. You knew that that no one was going to seriously challenge Alabama or Clemson. You knew Brian Kelly and Notre Dame were going to piss down their legs in the postseason. You knew the American champ was going to get disrespected in the rankings. Watching the average CFP semifinal in that time was repetitive and dull. 

I know that for me personally, I am not from the South, and that this was the second half of the SEC's reign of terror, and I just lost interest in seeing the same three southern teams in Alabama, Clemson, and later Georgia just slaughter everyone. And even when they played each other it was just as likely that one team would blow out the other, there was no guarantee that the games would be competitive amongst themselves. 

I separate pre-2020 and post-2020, because after 2020 it actually got interesting. In 2021, a G5 American champ finally made the playoff after being disrespected the year before. It wasn't competitive but they deserved to be there on their resume. In 2022, we were treated to the first year ever in which both semifinal games were memorable all-time classics and a Big XII team made the national championship game. 2023 is when the narratives that had been brewing for the previous three years finally paid off, and Nick Saban lost to Michigan in the Rose Bowl it was glorious. Texas lost to Washington in New Orleans. It was such a collapse of the brand of southern football that had defined the previous 15 years, it was a relief. There was finally drama and intrigue in the hunt for the national championship again. 

Nowadays, I have no idea who will win the national championship. It will probably be a Big Ten, but it could just as easily be Georgia, or Alabama, or Oklahoma (Texas didn't make the field last year, and every national champion since 2014-15 either was in the playoffs or a NY6 bowl the year before). It could also be Notre Dame or Miami. It is actually wide open, and will be settled on the field instead of speculative debates. I thought this is what college football fans wanted all those years ago. 

Conclusion

I don't know if I would honestly argue that the current era is better than 2015-2019, but a lot of you need to take off the nostalgia glasses and wipe away the crocodile tears. It's entirely possible that, if you can't tell from my flair, I primarily consume college football on TV when I can't go to Griz games, I'm sure that skews my perspective a lot. As for the modern era, I don't love the advertisements on uniforms or conference logos. I don't love that every player is a pseudo-influencer now, though I admit I never really cared about roster management and recruiting, so my consumption of that part of the sport hasn't changed much with the advent of the portal either. I don't love that the Big XII is in the same spot the American was for the 2010s, and its infuriating to see middling SEC and Big Ten teams being used to prop up strength of schedule arguments just as blatantly, but that is part and parcel with a corrupt committee in charge, I guess. I think I would take a 2024 or 2025 season over another 2016 or 2017 season though.

TL;DR the nostalgia online for late 2010s college football is honestly really, really stupid unless you're an Alabama or Clemson fan. 

Happy Labor Day sickos enjoy your BBQ and watching some Noles get trampled by a horse.

Take this opportunity to post your personal Heisman favorite and their stats. Doesn’t have to be from your team, doesn’t have to be a dark, nole trampling, horse.

Jadan Baugh: 14 carries 160 yds 3 TDs

Averaged a first down a carry.

Try to post exemplary stats, not Heisman favorites with a mediocre line.

I will do this for every week of the regular season.

I had to do about seven double takes on this to actually believe it. So the MWC will randomly add a directional school 1:30 mins from Chicago, but it wouldn't take chance at a team in top 20 media market team in the capital of California right in their own backyard and with no competition in their city?

I don’t think anything nefarious was going on. I think the refs became extremely stressed and scrupulous after telling themselves, “Holy shit. This is a monumental, once-in-a-lifetime upset. Let’s make sure there is absolutely no possible way — absolutely none — that Michigan deserves an extra millisecond.”

I want refs to take their jobs as deadly serious as this, but the dead-on precision still felt unusual in practice. It’s like a maid who suddenly decides to use tweezers to pick up individual specs of dust. When usually refs are happy to run off the field and call it a day.

I’ve watched my teams desperately try to reach field goal range and hopelessly throw an incomplete pass at the 30 as time expired. But how much time was left after the ball bounced off the receiver and hit the grass never crossed my mind — even though I search for any reason for hope for an extra play.

The refs treated Saturday’s first Hail Mary like more than a crucial play at the end of the game. It was like if cops received a tip that someone had Cubar cigars and decided to obliterated every crevice of an apartment looking them, cutting through furniture, taking an ax to the walls, etc.

Maybe my weekend was a bit too enthusiastic with the return of college football.

But I woke up this morning to a LOT of talk about the UNC football program. Going out of the frying pan and into the fire is one thing. A full on grease fire is another!

Is Belichick about to fired? Has he been fired?

What is with all these investigations suddenly?

UNC fans, educate me - what is going on with the Tar Heels.

Thanks.

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Dude definitely has the swagger, now just needs a Championship or two at LSU to cement his legacy

I think we are seeing an absolute legend in the making

Enjoy the show! LSU will surely be in the playoff and they'll surely be must see TV while they're still in the running for the Championship!

Trying to play this forward now that we know about the super secret clock. There should be some sort of procedures for coaches to find out what’s on the secret clock vs the one in the stadium, right?

Be it due to a rough season at the wrong time, realignment decisions, state politics messing with things or just the state of the game changing a couple years too early or late, there's a lot of programs that were once p4 hopefuls that are still on the outside looking in today.

Off the top of my head there's obviously the PAC2 teams, USF looked like a lock at one point but eventually got passed up by UCF, ECU and USM would be good candidates if they actually played well again. Memphis just got unlucky and found itself with a short straw.

In another world UOhio and Miami are in the B10 like Indiana and Purdue and OSU/Cincinnati are FCS schools. UChicago, Tulane and Sewanee obviously left P4 conferences.

Also yes I am making this post because I want to make alternate universe CFB27 conferences lol.

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By Josh Priddy

What's the more accurate statement?

A) LSU is very good.

B) Clemson is very bad.

For the first two plays, this game looked like it could have the makings of a great one. Any hope of a competitive game faded soon thereafter, and it faded fast. After Clemson's initial field goal to take a 3-0 lead, Dabo's Tigers wouldn't score again until a garbage time touchdown in the 4th Quarter.

NFL players or not, LSU appears to be the real deal. The Lane Kiffin era in Baton Rouge was kicked off with a, "taking candy from a baby" level performance. With the exception of an opening drive, tipped ball interception, LSU moved the ball up and down the field at will. They manhandled Clemson defensively, not allowing them to even cross midfield until the 4th quarter.

An absolute bloodbath, and a game that wasn't very exciting for anyone to watch. Even for the biggest of LSU fans, the stadium was nearly empty by time the clock hit triple zeros.

Could this be Dabo's final season wearing the Clemson Orange?

I don't think Clemson is going to get rid of Dabo unless this thing goes completely sideways, which it might after that ass whooping we got on Saturday in Baton Rouge. In the event we miss a bowl and lose to SCAR that's what would put this on the table. If I'm looking for replacement then I think the first call would be Tony Elliott up at UVA. He's familiar with the program, I think it's a better job, and he's doing a great job at a program that won't give him the same resources that Clemson can. I'm not sure Brent Venables would leave OU to come back but I know we would love to have him. What do y'all think? Is Clemson a place that can attract a top tier coach still?

Last week 39/49 games were predicted correctly. What are we thinking this week?

I've got Alabama beating Kentucky 31-14 and Sac State falling to Fresno State 27-45.

Some people are saying it’s the loss to Oregon in the college football playoffs, others saying it’s Jimbo leaving or even the legendary Coach Bowden leaving the program. And some people are saying it’s them getting left out of the 2023 CFP playoffs for Alabama. I’d like to know what people in this sub think is the exact moment that signified their inevitable decline.