r/wowservers • u/ThoviPlays • 20h ago
meta Can we add a rule that says "no ai" already?
its tiring to constantly see servers pop up that have AI generated "art" and are vibecoded
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u/Skjuld 19h ago
They all use AI, some just lie about it.
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u/sanebangbang 16h ago
Yup, exactly. We’re already at a point where it’s less-efficient to write code by hand. AI agents have gotten incredibly good over the past year. Anyone who isn’t using AI for code is going to quickly be left behind.
The stereotypical “vibecoded” is a skill-issue on the person using the AI. Using AI with proper context, limits, MCPs and documentation writes incredible code.
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u/SkumtFlum 13h ago
I'm not so sure about that, LLMs still write fairly stupid code. I regularly see the agent produced PR:s at work not understanding what has been lazy/eager-loaded, trying to use locks where they aren't needed etc.
It's a very powerful tool, and very much so for doing the monkey coding, but in hot paths I would put 2x reviewers on all agent produced code.
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u/TanukiThing 14h ago
I personally don’t care about AI code but I don’t like the ai posters and post text
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u/CousinMabel 1h ago
Honestly it looks ugly/cheap. For some reason AI seems to make stuff look like it's from a cheap mobile game.
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u/Ordinary_Awareness71 3h ago
Even AzerothCore/Chromie uses it and has rules around it's use and verification of the code.
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u/hughinell 20h ago
you're indirectly asking for ALL servers to be blocked here lol. If you think Octo/Raven or any of the big servers are not using AI i have a bridge to sell you.
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u/Klientje123 19h ago
There's a difference between vibe coded and AI assisted. Vibecoded is bad, unsafe, barely functioning.
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u/abyss24-- 19h ago
and...where do we draw the line between vibecoded and ai assisted? for me, vibecoded its almost everyone using ai now that doesn't have a technical background and dont know about software development hence the software "developed" by the ai is sloppy and insecure (and in most cases inneficient...ehem ehem n+1 problems )
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u/Void-kun 14h ago
So what about a senior engineer using AI correctly, how do you plan to differentiate without seeing their career history?
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u/SkumtFlum 13h ago
Gotta check all their PRs, sadly this community isent that big on FOSS so it will never happen and most of the cries about "Ai slop" /"vibecoded" are just people being upset with little to no ground to back it up.
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u/Void-kun 13h ago
Half the people complaining about AI slop and vibe coding won't even know what a PR is 😩
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u/Klientje123 19h ago
IDK. We don't see the source code. Private servers are built on trust. A new player in this game will always have to prove their legitness.
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u/TheSuperPichu999 17h ago
I draw the line between how easy it is for the server to bug fix their shit. Ebonhold, for example, was so vibe coded that major bugs were left untouched every patch I played, as if they couldn't find the issue. Triumvirate, another server i played that used AI, was and is fixing shit every few days. I bet you that the ebonhold devs were a binch of novices that probably didnt know how to code that well, while Triumvirate's devs had atleast one person, if push come to shove, could code without an LLM.
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u/newprince 18h ago
If you don't have a technicial background, you shouldn't be making pservers full stop lol
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u/Competitive_Body7359 17h ago
Honestly a non profit, fan server seems like a great way to develop technical skills as a hobby. And you can learn a lot about coding from vibe coding if you use it that way.
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u/Void-kun 14h ago
I used to host and manage a couple large servers nearly 15 years ago.
Thanks to those servers it helped me get an internship when I was in college.
Now I'm 8 years into my engineering career as a senior software engineer.
Anybody with the drive should try to make a private server, fuck off with this gate keeping bullshit.
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u/SkumtFlum 13h ago edited 13h ago
I have a fairly successful SWE career for my age and it started from stuff like mucking about with trying to self host private servers, trying to learn scripting to make bots for runescape and stuff like that.
If I interviewed a candidate nowadays and they mention similar stuff they will be quickly moved to the top candidates since it shows the qualities I look for.
When I have interviewed at new places they love to ask about my github which is filled with old and unfinished projects, but having a track record of trying to push yourself is easily a top 3 quality in a SWE candidate.
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u/newprince 12h ago
That's all well and good, but doesn't hold up to much scrutiny. If I asked that person how they approached it, and instead of saying how they started to learn programming, just said "Idk I have Claude do everything," they would not get hired
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u/SkumtFlum 12h ago
Shame you decide to have bad faith arguments. If someone claims to know a language of course saying they only use AI-tooling is not a passable answer.
I learned deving around 2010 and then it started with loads of copy pasting from forums. We have just changed the medium that gives the output people start with. Anyone that just leans on a tool will never reach past that tool, but usage of a tool is not a bad thing in of it self.
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u/Odd-Fun-1482 16h ago
Not really. Both vibecode or assisted need to be playtested and debugged, literally no different then scouring internet forums yourself to find solutions manually.
Youre still prone to the same security and stability problems if you cant find the right resources, at least Ai consolidates and presents it to you.
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u/Klientje123 16h ago
Vibecoded = person who has no clue about coding or programming or anything and is just telling an AI ''do it''
AI assisted = person who knows about coding and codes most of the game himself but uses AI for menial tasks he doesn't feel like doing himself
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u/Odd-Fun-1482 15h ago
Incorrect. I dont know AzerothCore's language but I can still use an Ai assistant by prompting it to show me code to implement certain features step by step.
Ai assisted does not require you to know the code or 'do most of it yourself' it just means you're getting there with more prompts and more personal oversight.
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u/Void-kun 13h ago
Not sure why you think upstream updates are a problem, or why you think AI couldn't keep up?
AI can debug code just fine too.
What do you think software engineers are using day to day? Especially where they work in microservice architectures split across many many repos.
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u/SkumtFlum 13h ago
You are aware that AzerothCore is open source? Any updates you can just git fetch and point your tool of choice to keep track of. Even AzerothCore got AI tooling checked in their repo (.agents, .skills). I agree with you that you need proper understanding of the relevant language(s), but the rest you are saying is nonsense and this is coming from someone that still does almost only "artisnal handcrafted code". I'm not familiar with AzerothCores dev practices but in general breaking changes should be very rare so fetching the latest master shouldn't even be critical.
How do you think people use AI-tooling at large corps? The problems you describe aren't really unique
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u/GaiusVictor 19h ago
No, we can't.
Surprised (but not so much) that your first request was for a ban instead of for something like a flair that you could use to filter things out.
Start your own subreddit or something.
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u/pk_hellz 20h ago
I dont really care all that much about the ai art banner. I want to know if the server is good or not. Is it fun to play yes or no.
Nearly every industry uses ai in some capacity now.
What background do you have in hosting wow private servers for you to determine what is a vibe coded server and what isnt?
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u/Independent_Goal903 18h ago
I just think its so funny how this community complains about all the bots on retail as the reason for quitting, all the while playing on FREE bot infested servers lol
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u/redditscraperbot2 18h ago
I can kind of see the case for the obscenely low effort "coming soon" servers with the error riddled AI images. But there aren't really enough of them for me to consider them a nuisance. Just something I scoff at and move on. But the use of AI in general for editing and building servers, I just can't see that happening. It's just way too powerful a tool for this usecase. If you've ever tried running a solo server and found things that got lost in the database or a bug that got left unfixed for some niche quest or action, AI does a stellar job on getting you started fixing it. Hours or day of work done in minutes. I recently had a solo turtle server running and due to the nature of the server's shutdown, a lot of the most recent content got lost. Northwind quests, etc. Finding the database entries and cross referencing it with information online managed to restore basically all the half implemented content. Now I'm more or less a layman when it comes to these things. I don't know much programming beyond some simple python and c++. I would have been fiddling and googling for hours or days to get it working if I ever did.
There is always the danger when this stuff is deployed on a server that people that vulnerabilities are created and AI has created a landscape where people who really have no business running a massive multiplayer server are able to cobble one together in the space of a few days, but I don't see that genie going back in the bottle now. It's really up to us to be more discerning in what we play on.
I doubt there are any private servers running right now that AI hasn't touched in some way.
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u/sagiroth 17h ago
Everyone use AI, everywhere. This whole /r/antiai is pointless. Even if you add a rule how do you enforce it?
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u/notmyrealaccountlad 19h ago
Hate it or love it, almost every single piece of software and media in the coming years will be assisted by AI. There will be a growing market for made by human products, but I can assure you that it's not in the World of Warcraft private server scene, lol.
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u/Snoo-43610 4h ago
anyone who has a vehement dislike of Ai is a deeply, envious hater.
not just the Ai slop, that's obvious. but the personal attack kind of hatred towards Ai
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u/ryyzany 20h ago
I’m very anti ai for many things but the coolest application of ai I have seen has been the playerbot filled stuff. I don’t mind AI when it’s not stealing jobs from people or spreading misinformation.
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u/VideoDue8277 19h ago
Yeah think he's talking more about the AI Slop cash grab servers popping up. Everyone's loves AI Bots for in-game single player lol
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u/Whiteshovel66 18h ago
Absolutely not. There is no way I can do half of what I'm doing without ai. I have ai helping me create a disguise profession for rogue. It's making me custom questlines for each faction I can disguise myself as. It's writing legit really well crafted stories and giving me whole blocks of SQL adding 5 quests at a time. Really wild. This would have taken me weeks to do alone.
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u/Weird_Expert_1999 19h ago edited 15h ago
I think it’s unreasonable to expect WoW private servers that’re typically open source / community projects and not profiting to not be allowed to use AI-
AI has contributed vastly to WoW pservers as a whole and to swap out all the work ai accomplished with real dev hours you’d all of a sudden need to have a dev budget, and with it comes the need to generate more revenue, and whet her that’s pure p2w, sub fee, cosmetic items etc that’s going to axe a ton of open source content, and blizz will likely chase down the pservers generating enough money to pay real devs (and I doubt they’re not using ai to assist)
Trust I was vehemently against AI and refused to use it up until ~4 months ago when I was setting up azcore locally and had to troubleshoot compatibility issues from deb 12 to 13, but it’s also been incredibly useful for things like lua.scripts, troubleshooting/ bug reports, updating sql files and so forth I against new azcore build
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u/im_tired_of_everyone 20h ago
You'd do yourself a service and don't let the indoctrination that AI is bad get to you too much.
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u/Stealthybeef 19h ago
It'd be nice, but also you have to consider the fact this is a wow private server subreddit. It's the wild west pretty much, esp if you've been around for a while even before AI slop, the slop was non functional servers using old cores with no additional work. That or p2w funservers. The p2w funservers were much more of a plague back in the day, and probably even worse than the majority ai servers of today.
I dont like AI slop, but it's known that this subreddit has little moderation and reflects the general state of the pserver scene pretty well. Eventually AI slop will either be the norm, or just another small part of history that'll eventually be forgotten.
I'll be honest, this wont happen mainly due to little moderation rather than most of what I said.
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u/StomachPast1235 18h ago
no fuck off
this sub is unmoderated, if you want to be policed by unemployed spergs go to r/wow or some other janny sub
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u/Ratiofarming 18h ago
I'd flag AI generated art for sure. As for the server setup being vibecoded, that is just how you do things now. If you're handwriting everything, at this point, you're doing it purely for the exercise. It makes no sense when you're actually trying to get things done.
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u/SomewhereMelodic7944 13h ago
Who are you to tell people what they can do and what they can't do? There are laws in everycountry, and if somebody breaks a law, should be punished. If that person is not punished, the people should remove the politicians and even the president if they are not doing their job. If they are doing their job but you are not happy with the laws, become a politician and try to make a law to punish people who use AIs to create a videogame.
Otherwise, just continue doing your life, because again, you have no right to tell others what they can do and what they can't do.
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u/krill156 18h ago
I can understand the art/frontend if it's actual dog excrement and ect but if your implying the backend too, why? Unless someone just ran a shitty prompt, didn't look at it and said this is fine while the server burns, most sensible devs would at least test and validate it beforehand. So unless they release their source, which most won't, there's not a whole lot to gripe about.
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u/Tough-Requirement707 19h ago
since we dont get a no rainbow pass anywhere you wont get that as well. simple as that
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u/newprince 18h ago
Wtf is a no rainbow pass
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u/aSkyclad 18h ago edited 1h ago
Dude just wanna complain about queer people on an absolutely unrelated topic
Edit: what a surprise, dude blocked me lmao
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u/Tough-Requirement707 17h ago
im showing off your double standarts and not in any way what youre semantically trying to do there like an infant
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u/Drfeelzgud 17h ago
I think that ship has sailed.....