r/Teenager_Polls • u/Esteban83550 • 23d ago
Political Poll A Federal Europe?
Do you like the idea of a federal Europe? having some areas of sovereignty like the Army, a substantial budget, an elected president and government and many more
765 votes,
16d ago
373
Yes Absolutely
139
Yes partially
68
Not sure
44
No partially
141
Absolutely against
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u/FabianButHere MtF 23d ago edited 21d ago
God forbid.
The EU can barely sort itself out right now. And you can't homogenise all European countries into a single thing. Different cultures, different needs, different values. Don't let us lose culture and be like the US, please.
Edit: Adding my arguments here.
Bulgaria, Cyprus, Germany, Spain and Slovakia. Those states would all be part of the EU federation. Now tell me how you would write a piece of law, that ranges beyond standardisation and diplomacy (the EU's only job), and would work for these four nations. Four nations which have no shared culture and exactly nothing that holds them together. Except for the fact that they're in the EU - a union for tasks of standardisation and diplomacy. But standardisation and diplomacy isn't everyday life. You need individual choices close to the population for that.
But then why even create it?? The goal of creating a higher layer of administration is to form standardised rules across a larger area. But we've found out the EU can't do that because of cultural, economical and more differences. So the only thing the EU can still do is diplomacy and a bit of standardisation for stuff like infrastructure. But that's already what it's doing! All you'd be thus doing, making an EU federation, is building buerocratic hurdles and giving up your nation's sovereignty.
But no one will make the EU as such a federation. That'd be stupid, sure, but not that harmful. No. The people who are for a EU federation, and especially bad actors on the left and right* extremes, want a stronger EU. One with more control. That means, your nation is losing the power it once had, and thus your vote for your nation's government (the one that focusses on your life and your issues) matters less, because it's controlled by the EU government from the top down, which will have reach into areas they have no clue how to legislate, because they differ too heavily between Spain, Germany, Cyprus, Bulgaria and Slovakia.
I really don't see any advantage in an EU federation. You can gladly try and prove me wrong, though.
I don't get while people who don't feel in control of their politics (as a German, who can't do anything about our chancellor with under 20% approval rates, bevause only his party (which in turn would be losing power) can start a vote of no-confidence - many people want a EU federation here) don't try to strengthen the layers of politics close to them. Those are the ones that can actually help you and your life.
Communal politics should be stronger. It gives the people more power. They're organising labor unions, critical infrastructure and more.
And a huge state of 80 million people, with a chancellor who doesn't know a thing about our lives, comes along and tells people how much to work and how to live and that we're all lazy and that we should come to work ill because we're such a bad population. Why does it have that power?
If a chancellor of 80 million already can be so distant from reality, why the heck would you want someone who is even further from those people to rule over 450 million.
* While they (as extreme nationalists) would of course be against a big EU, they'd take the chance as soon as the EU federation is established to try and seize power (as populists).