You can reduce crime by reducing poverty. You’ll never eliminate either. Authoritarians believe that they can eliminate crime by increasing suffering which is why they’re wrong.
No way! You mean to tell me all we have to do is actually lock up criminals instead of letting them out on bail for the 19th time? Get your "common sense" out of here! No, the solution is much more complicated than that! /s
Usually, when people talk about crime and swift/harsh consequences they are talking & thinking about a specific socio-economic demographic.
The wealthier the accused person is and the closer they are to being considered white, there is generally less of an apparition appetite for punishment or accountability.
It's a "crime" to exceed the speed limit. All law enforcement has legal discretion, which means they get to choose whether or not to enforce the law.
Then judges have the ability to award short times in jail/prison and minimal fines. Typically, wealthy white people get more lenient sentences if they are tried & sentenced at all.
Crimes can be things as small as jaywalking, so I don't automatically think you are talking about sexual crimes, kidnapping/trafficking, or violent crimes when you say "they are talking about criminals".
More importantly, considering that a felon is in the White House, the impact of some crimes is greater than others, and those who ruin municipal services or ruin entities through financial or personnel mismanagement are never held accountable (thinking about Flynt, MI and the water poisoning and the current evisceration of the military.)
My god, a man who over estimated the value of his PROPERTIES is running the country?! Those banks must have been furious! Wait, they didn't care and claimed no damages? So who was the injured party then? I'm so confused...
The fear of being locked up for joining a criminal organization (don't get gang tats) is a lot more mild than the fear of cartels murdering your entire family, and displaying your mutilated corpses hanging from a bridge.
America doesn't need a hard reset yet, but ES did need one. 100 murders per 100,000 in a single year. That's horrific. It's war.
The root cause is that people think it’s ok to commit crimes because they know there won’t be any consequences. And it’s not even about fixing people anymore, it’s about locking up those people so they can’t commit any more crimes
What happens when someone decides that you aren't following the rules and locks you up in a brutal labor camp? Fascists will always claim that it's about safety and we always see where that leads
And bleeding hearts will always be fine with letting innocents get murdered by the criminals they refuse to lock up.
El Salvador was not a functioning state before this, the country was ruled by the cartels. Better the violence of the state than the violence of cartels.
“This guy was arrested 20 times and an activist judge let him go. Now that he looked someone and is going to a more strict judge, it must be the fascists and nothing to do with his behavior”
Rehabilitation should be the point of these systems, it ignores it completely and does a pretty horrible job. Sure it “brings crime down” but I’m not trusting a dictatorship’s definition of crime
I never signed up for this “rehabilitation should be the goal, not punishment” crap. Antisocial criminals should be removed from society to protect society.
Yeah, but when you make a system without your main focus being on rehabilitation, you will end up claiming that on people who actually can be rehabilitated
But you know, it’s just easier to keep them in cells and make them be cheap labor right? because nobody is interested in actually rehabilitating criminals
Whenever you don’t make it your n°1 goal, you’re already on a bad path
Yes nothing is more common sense than believing the country with the highest incarceration rate in the world does not have a sufficiently punitive justice system.
And all the people on your side praising a dictator who paid the gangs to kill less people to sell his concentration camps and suppression of civil liberties! Such common sense!
Who wouldn't want to live in a dictatorship where the government can throw you in a concentration camp without a trial? It is common sense!
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u/EnvironmentalGift257 3d ago
You can reduce crime by reducing poverty. You’ll never eliminate either. Authoritarians believe that they can eliminate crime by increasing suffering which is why they’re wrong.