r/SipsTea 3d ago

Chugging tea Thoughts on this?

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u/GuitarsAndFitness 3d ago

This is the type of idealistic thinking that ends up destroying society. Crime and poverty are correlated, not causated. You can never totally eliminate crime without necessarily excluding certain demographics of people.

People have an overly simplistic view, which basically amounts to “I don’t understand why people commit crime, because I would never commit crime. Therefore, there must be some external factor driving people to commit crime! I’ll just eliminate this factor (in this case, poverty), and crime will disappear!”

Obviously this is not the case. There are many factors that are relevant to inducing crime, not least of which is personal choice and a lack of accountability. Culture (arguably the biggest), mental health, IQ, worldview, weak penalties/enforcement, and many others all contribute to crime.

The most immediate and effective way to deal with crime is to have clear policies, steep penalties, and strict enforcement. There are many ways to help treat the underlying issues, which can and should be pursued, without compromising on the laws and their enforcement.

u/Jalapenoplanter 3d ago

What demographics are you talking about?

If you decrease poverty, decrease inequality, you decrease crime

u/GuitarsAndFitness 3d ago

Realistically, I’m talking mostly about IQ, but there’s many categories of demographics that correlate strongly with crime - specifically the bottom ~20%

u/Jalapenoplanter 3d ago

Bottom 20% wealth? So a metric that can be improved by giving poor people money?

IQ is less correlated with crime than poverty is. Got any not dumb ideas?

u/GuitarsAndFitness 3d ago

> “I don’t understand why people commit crime, because I would never commit crime. Therefore, there must be some external factor driving people to commit crime! I’ll just eliminate this factor (in this case, poverty), and crime will disappear!”

Brother, you’re just proving my point

u/Jalapenoplanter 3d ago

Are you quoting yourself there?

u/Jalapenoplanter 3d ago

You just suggested that IQ is the reason for crime.

u/Rovering-Waves 2d ago

This is super simplified, because you also need to have a unified society in it's values. If you have equality but one culture thinks he should be allowed to rape your girlfriend, you'll never have a stable crime free society.

u/Jalapenoplanter 2d ago

Ok, how do we get rid of all conservative men?

u/Rovering-Waves 2d ago

Well you'd need to start with stopping immigration. The most conservative men right now in the USA are muslims.

Funny how your argument sucks eh?

u/Jalapenoplanter 2d ago

I have seen muslim male politicians. None have called for banning women from voting.

Several white christian conservative figures have.

So… you’re wrong

u/Curious_Beginning_30 3d ago

White have the highest rate of pedophilia , I’m sure he meant them.