r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 4d ago
PoliticalTea đłď¸ I completely agree...
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u/Buddhas_Warrior 4d ago
Great, when can we start??
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u/TorumShardal 4d ago
As soon as enough states ratify National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, or NaPoVoInterCo for short.
Started in 2006, has 222 votes from 270 required.
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u/bittersterling 4d ago
Wow, idk how I could function without that shortened version! Thanks đ
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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 4d ago
It just rolls off the tongue... Na po vo inter co!
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u/ruat_caelum 4d ago
It's like WWW's 6 syllables being shorted than saying the 3 in "world wide web"
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u/Abducted_Llama 4d ago
Isnât WWW 9 syllables or am I clapping wrong ?
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u/jordon4ca93 4d ago
I just realized that at one point I had to be taught how to clap. I honestly don't know how I feel about that.
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u/ipomopur 4d ago
I thought I knew how to clap until I took a flamenco class; turns out there's clapping, and then there's clapping
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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 4d ago
This might be the least efficient verbalized initialism in the world
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u/CocktailPerson 4d ago
That's a silly statement because nobody verbalizes the initialism in isolation. People only say the letters when they're dictating a web address, and what they're dictating is the actual letters.
In real life people just say "the web" or "the internet."
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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 4d ago
In the earlier internet days, it was common to say the www when directing someone to a website. Both in advertisements and in personal discussion.
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u/Remarkable_Ease_7607 4d ago
I feel like if you have to use that many syllables you should just say the words
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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 4d ago
It's like the people who say "El Oh Tee Arr" instead of "Lord of the Rings"
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u/jaxonya 4d ago
My son asked me if ive seen fnaf 2 a while back. Didnt say the letters, he just said fnaf as if it were a real word. I was fucking puzzeled and kept asking him what he was talking about. He finally rolled his eyes and said "five nights at freddys" 2 ...hwhat in the fuck, boy.
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u/DontAskAboutMyButt 4d ago
âFnafâ is how all the streamers say it so thatâs how Gen Alpha says it too đ
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u/LessInThought 4d ago
As the dad, you have a moral obligation to fix that boy.
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u/jaxonya 4d ago
Should I dust off the ole belt handed down to me from my father? Maybe there is another way to reach him
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u/KIokinator 4d ago
You may not know this, but IRL many people say "Lotor" like the word "Motor" which stands for LOTR which stands for Lord of the Rings.
So either Lord of the Rings, or L-O-T-R, or "Lotor".
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u/ThesisTears 4d ago
Omg PLEASE keep spreading the word!!! This is the singlar path forward in my opinion. I won't shut up about it and neither should anyone else!!!
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u/PickleRickleTV 4d ago
Ranked choice voting or at least doing away with first past the post voting is much more reasonable and another path forward.
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u/TomT060404 4d ago
I'm sure the Republicans will sue if it happens. The current Supreme Court will take their side.
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u/Darixindur 4d ago
Technically this won't change the electoral college... that pact is states saying they will change how that state casts its votes for the electoral college, to who ever wins the popular vote (which may mean that a candidate could win the majority in that state, but if that differs from the national popular vote, the electoral college votes go to the other candidate). The 270 number is the number of votes that the pact is trying to get to, before they agree to change it in those states. So as an example 209 of the electoral college votes last election for Kamala Harris would have gone to Trump in the last Election, due to the 17 states that currently agree to the pact were one by Harris, but would have been obligated to use there electoral college votes for the national popular vote winner, which this last Election was Trump. Personally I feel that this is unnecessary, because out of the 60 presidential elections, only 4 times the electoral college and popular vote did not have the same outcome. But, it is up to each state decides how they cast their electoral college votes. A more interesting question will be the arguments about the NPVIC is constitutional or not. Is it within the state powers to use the national voting for their electoral college votes? Or should those electoral college votes only reflect what happens in that state?
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u/jbland0909 4d ago
When we have a democratic super majority in the house and senate. Thatâs the only way it ever happens
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u/TurtleIIX 4d ago
2/3 of states can also just choose to send all of their electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. Really the only viable option. That still will not happen though.
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u/BebopT0716 4d ago
Democrats have proven to be dickless even when they have a super majority, so I wouldnât count on it.
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u/DeprecationWarning 4d ago
Democrats have not held a supermajority [in Congress] since 1967
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u/MilkiestMaestro 4d ago
But you're still going to vote for them because the alternative is orange julius and his ilk forever, right?
Because I feel like this sentiment comes out every election year and we sure are pretty close to November
And because I can foresee the peanut gallery chiming in, I'm aware it's not a presidential election year. It's even more important, congressional seats. Seats we desperately need in order to do anything about the aforementioned problem.
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u/AlwaysVerloren 4d ago
Popularity by populous Popularity by my niche friendemies?
Well Dave, if you have to do the math, you don't have friends and your enemies want to end you.
VOTE MAYOR PETE TO HAPPIFY OUR NATION
or you know, to eliminate all the DTAI bullshite.
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u/Longjumping-Pop9374 4d ago
Yes! because then politicians would actually have to run on popular policy not just stupid culture war bs. Then the filibuster
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u/Tyfoid-Kid 4d ago
And theyâd have to campaign somewhere besides the battleground states.
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u/SwagarTheHorrible 4d ago
But how are these old men gonna be in so many places at once? They have nap time!
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u/1776boogapew 4d ago
Because they all follow their campaign promises so well⌠Iâd rather see a method to holding them to what they run on, some sort of contract.
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u/TheLastBaboon 4d ago
Iâm not against it but I think weâd need required primary and secondary education even beyond on our political system and unbiased current events to make it truly work. Educate to vote less promises because they often never happen and educate to vote more for the person and what they have been able to do in line with your ideal of policy.
Also, probably needs a bigger focus on the mistakes our country has made and the attempts to fix them.
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u/Obvious-Muffin2787 4d ago
One person, one vote. This isn't radical, people.
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u/Avesery777 4d ago
I know you don't mean it, but the "This isn't radical" rhetoric is actually really damaging, because it furthers this idea in America that anything radical must instantly be bad
What we need is radical change
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u/Complete-Tangelo1532 4d ago
I am glad you included the 'This isn't radical' part, I was on my way to the shed out back to grab a pitchfork and torch
Sorry, I am just messing with yah lol Couldn't help myself
Hope you have a great day/night
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u/DinosaurDied 4d ago
âNoooo, but then my vote in rural Pennsylvania wonât matter >:(â
Yea well the rest of us living everywhere else besides those 7 battleground states have votes that donât matter.Â
Iâve lived all over this country and really always wanted thr same thing and it pisses me off that my vote only matters when I lived in certain areasÂ
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u/Complex_Arrival7968 4d ago
You poor devil! My niece lives there and lives for the day when she and her husband can move.
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u/RoninSkye24 4d ago
I lived in Texas for 5 years and it was one of the nicest places I've ever lived. Low crime rate. Cheap cost of living. Rent was reasonable in the area. No state level income taxes. Weather was fantastic too, though that's not dictated by politics, still a huge plus.
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u/Butwhatif77 4d ago
I always laugh at how people mention how "but then less populated states would get ignored" as if they don't already. When was the last time a presidential candidate campaigned in fucking Montana or Alaska. The very issue the Electoral College was supposed to address, happened anyway just worse than expected
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u/LongJohnSelenium 4d ago
The electoral college was meant to keep virginia from dominating politics.
The original states were far more independent and the constitution as written, still written in fact even if not as currently interpreted, wildly restricts the federal government. The smaller states, as a condition of giving up part of their sovereignty, demanded safeguards against being dominated into irrelevance by larger political entities. Thus the senate and electoral college.
Basically the US is supposed to be structured a lot more like the EU currently is.
Well that was the reason for the weighted votes. The reason for the electors is of course that, again, constitutionally, people are supposed to vote for electors and the electors vote for a president, precisely because they felt people would elect a populist demagogue if left to their own devices.
TLDR: Nothing is working like its supposed to work and thats causing all sorts of problems like people wanting to end the electoral college because the federal government has so much influence over their lives when it shouldn't.
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u/Thebeardinato462 4d ago
It would matter just as much as everyone elseâs vote. Depending on how someone votes in rural Pennsylvania their vote does t matter now.
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u/TheWolphman 4d ago
That's how I feel as a blue voter in South Carolina. I'm in my forties and this state has been red for longer than I've been alive.
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u/blahblah19999 4d ago
âNoooo, but then my vote in rural Pennsylvania wonât matter >:(â
No, it's literally the opposite. Under the EC, their vote doesn't matter. Under a popular vote, literally every single vote from the bluest part of NYC, to the most remote tent in Alaska matters.
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u/DinosaurDied 4d ago
(The secret is that they want their vote to matter way more Than anybody elseâs and they wonât give that up)Â
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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil 4d ago
Yeah, but the problem is they will never win an election again. It's why conservatives are so against any form of democracy. They have names for it like "mob rule". If it were up to them no blue state, city, woman or minority would be allowed to vote.
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u/Flimsy_Pack_936 4d ago
Penn would still matter to be fair
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u/Ok_Hornet_714 4d ago
Pennsylvania would matter but it would also make it so that the Republican candidate would need to appeal to voters in California, and the Democratic candidate to voters in Texas, instead of them basically just looping between Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina,etc.
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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 4d ago
Exactly. We let the same half dozen states choose who the President will be every time.
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u/Clcummings614 4d ago
Youâre in a large state. Your vote gets diluted by the smaller states. You get attention because youâre a swing state. I do think that the party platforms would be different if they had to appeal across the entire country.
Today, the swing states are the only ones that truly see any candidates campaign. Florida, NY, CA and some big red states only get visits for fundraising but not campaigning.
Whenâs the last time a dem or republican went to Des Moines to campaign? A dem could go to get some voters to show up for him. My district is terribly gerrymandered and my state is largely red. Probably 2/3 of the elections I participated in as an adult were meaningless. No hope for prez and Rep. a little more competitive for senate but not much. It wouldnât have mattered if u have voted or not. No electoral college and my vote truly would count for prez.
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u/Infamous-Employ5487 4d ago
I literally don't want their rural bumfuck vote to matter at this point.
Listening to the stupidest among us is what brought us here. These people NEED to be disenfranchised.
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u/EvilCorp____ 4d ago
Pennsylvania is the 5th most populous state.
The reason we use the electoral college is so that a candidate can't just appease California, New York, Pennsylvania, and Illinois and tell the rest of the country to f*** off. Or just ignore them all together.
At least that was the idea. (Although I think it was New York and Virginia that were the powerhouses back then)
(I agree though we should definitely use the popular vote).
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u/edebt 4d ago
Instead they just focus on the swing states, so it didn't fix anything, just put the power in the hands of a different group.
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u/binzy90 4d ago
Honestly, I never understood the whole concept. A candidate in any other election would prioritize large, populous areas regardless of what office they were running for. Like is someone in the back woods of West Virginia mad that their local county commissioner had a round table at a local school auditorium instead of driving out to the middle of nowhere to meet them? Probably not. But for some reason we act like a presidential candidate appealing to populous states is a bad thing.
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u/Stock-Map3715 4d ago
I wanted that since I first heard about the electoral college when I was 8 in 1968. Itâs not an idea that Pete came up with that nobody else ever thought about.
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u/QwertyIGuess 4d ago edited 3d ago
I mean it was first thought of when they were writing the constitution. The less populated states said "Naw, I don't think we want to join this new country if thats how its gonna work." They countered with giving every state equal votes for president.
The more populated states said "Naw, I don't think we want to join this new country if thats how its gonna work." Everyone grumbled and grumbled and then someone said what if we do both and that how you get the compromise of the Electoral College.
Edit: It was not a slavery compromise the people who replied are thinking of the 3/5 compromise that was a different compromise.
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u/Fun_Performer_7930 4d ago edited 4d ago
Republicans would never win another election.....I'm in!
Edit: "NEVER WIN ANOTHER". Meaning "going forward". I really don't wanna keep typing this out to bots.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 4d ago
Trump won the popular vote last electionâŚAmerica is a failed country.
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u/KtotheC99 4d ago
A lot of people dont vote in non-swing states because their 'vote doesnt matter' for the general election. This would increase participation across the board which would (if data is accurate) support democratic candidates overall.
Additionally, it could help 3rd parties become more viable as well
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u/Federal-Piglet 4d ago
More Americans didn't vote then voted for Kamala and Trump combined...
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u/Ok-Boomer-4414 4d ago
Itâs not that simple. Trump won popular vote in 2024. Republicans won popular vote for house in 2022 and 2024. It will certainly change in 2026 but Democrats are currently the voting minority
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u/True_Protection6842 4d ago
Well that's the problem. Republicans would essentially be eliminated in all the but the reddest bible belt states. That's not representation. It's basically what republicans want for themsevles by gerrymandering and cheating.
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u/TheTwiggsMGW 4d ago
I donât see how thatâs a bad thing, though. If the majority of people donât align republican, then the party shouldnât exist. A new party would emerge to fill the void, because not everyone aligns with Dems either. Theyâre just the better option of the two available.
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u/linds360 4d ago
Or theyâd learn real quick that appeasing a billionaire and appeasing a middle class person equals the same number of votes.
And there are a fuckton more middle class people.
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u/ku1185 4d ago
These crazy democrats trying to bring democracy to our democracy are going to destroy our democracy.
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u/richardcraniumIII 4d ago
If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States.
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 4d ago
I know the quote/meme but no we wouldn't. We haven't invaded Israel to liberal Israel.
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u/Perfect_Toe_6526 4d ago
Actually, the president should not have unilateral power to mess up the things
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u/Lithl 4d ago
The president doesn't have such power. But they do have the bully pulpit, which can help sway opinions in Congress and in state legislatures.
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u/DanimalHarambe 4d ago
You mean like an "election"? All Republicans voted against the immediate end of gerrymandering. They are feeding us to ourselves.
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u/SuspiciousNorth377 4d ago
I have hated the electoral college ever since Gore ran for President.
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u/Gemstyle96 4d ago
I think repealing the Reapportionment Act of 1929 would be a better start
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u/Lando_0 4d ago
I believe voter registration is a scam and everyone with a ss# should use that to vote. I believe that election days should be granted by employers to make sure all people vote.
Edit: schools too for all 18y/oâs
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 4d ago
Every school I know of already does this, because they use the schools as voting locations. Public schools, anyway. Other than private schools and that one state where all voting is done by mail, I don't know of any schools that aren't closed on election day. Unless you meant colleges.
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u/Lando_0 4d ago
Thatâs pretty great! How about employers? I guess my overall point is that if the federal gov really wanted the masses to vote it would make registration automatic like selective service and election days would be more important.
Edit: spelling.
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u/7Obituario7 4d ago
This is how it should be but it will never be like this, otherwise republicans would never win again.
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u/SnooEagles4121 4d ago
Every time a conservative tries to defend the electoral college to me I point out that the state with the most registered Republicans is California.
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u/broforce 4d ago
Yeah I get pretty much yelled at every time I bring this up. Wouldn't a popular vote election mean more? I don't see the downside from this
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u/Ok-Scale-2559 4d ago
How about rank choice voting so the politicians actually have to work together
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u/East-Inevitable-3974 4d ago
We should eliminate Gerrymandering too. Just let a computer break states up into shortest perimeter districts and be done with it.
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u/GrillinFool 4d ago
Translation. âWe didnât get our way so we have to blow the system up because weâre a bunch of babies.â
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u/the_cardfather 4d ago
The electoral college at this point is a symptom not a cause and eliminating it is not a cure.
It would probably be easier to eliminate winner-take-all for each state. It would be more granular if they expanded the size of the house and the electoral college with it. I'm not sure that that would take a constitutional amendment. Just imagine if we were spreading out a thousand electors or 4000 or 5,000 electors.
More importantly Congress needs to take their power back from the executive branch. Too many departments and too many cabinet members running things go back to writing a bunch of small laws rather than Giant sweeping legislation too big to read
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u/TheBannedBananaMan 4d ago
Still no room for a 3rd party of working people. Only McKinsey Criminal Class.
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u/Waste-Principle6304 4d ago
He says this but as a corporatist Democrat he wonât implement it.
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u/Ill_Blacksmith693 4d ago
That is how it should be we are not even close to being a free country we are a mess.
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u/Salt-Wear-1197 4d ago
Eliminate two party system, eliminate first past the post voting system, eliminate money in politics too.
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u/DeadAndBuried23 4d ago
Or at the very least don't let small state votes count for 3-4 times as many as a big state just because they're smaller. That was so the effective owners of the states could have more say. It has no place in the modern world.
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u/Euphoric_Taco138 4d ago
Republikkkans would never win the presidency again if this happens
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u/BraveLittleTowster 4d ago
The electoral college made a lot of sense when getting votes from all over the country to Washington was going to be a problem. A lot simpler to have a few people from each state come to Washington DC and tell them who won the election in each state. Popular vote at the country level would have been next to impossible in the 1700s and 1800s, but that's just not an issue now.
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u/Motor_Run6164 4d ago
I agree with the idea, but this would require a Constitutional Amendment. Hard to see that happening in todayâs political environment.
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u/Mysterious-Kick9881 4d ago
Seems reasonable to me. If only our elected officials would use their power for good.
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u/unscanable 4d ago
President is the only election in the country not elected by popular vote and Iâve never heard a good reason as to why that it.
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u/Hairy-Love2571 4d ago
Is this because the election went the other way twice in 20 years? Same thing happened in 1876 and 1888.
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u/Basic-Pomegranate536 4d ago
This is crazy, my bf and I were literally just talking about this.. the one who really should be elected is by the popular vote, everytime
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u/Jumpy_Witness6014 4d ago
Letâs go a step further and do ranked ballot popular vote. You rank the choices then if no one wins by majority it goes to #2 and so on.
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u/Frodo_gabbins 4d ago
To be able to live in my red state and feel like voting for a president actually mattered would be amazing.
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u/Sure_Anxiety_1477 4d ago
A lot of people in here on both sides of this debate are wrong. The EC wasnât created to protect rural areas or small states. In 1789 90% of the electorate lived in rural areas. And the smaller states already had their compromise with the Connecticut compromise. Madison kept very thorough constitutional convention notes. The founding fathers wanted the EC because they thought the electorate was too stupid to pick the president (they also thought we were too stupid to pick our senators). That was the founding fatherâs justification.
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u/LMrningStar 4d ago
What? He wants every single vote to count exactly equally and wants the person who gets the most votes to win an election? What kind of sorcery is this?
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u/Jesuismieux412 4d ago edited 4d ago
Great, but he won't be the one to do it...not even close. Why anyone continues to believe promises from neoliberals is beyond me. They could have super majorities in both houses, have the executive, etc and still not pass one thing their voters want--we've seen it several times already. So, the question is why? Hmmm....
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u/Aromatic_Ad4132 3d ago
The electoral College is garbage unless it delivers the result of the popular vote. Drumpf won millions of votes fewer than Hillary
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago
Those who want this clearly do not understand why the Electoral College was created. The purpose was to give each state equal representation in voting, as each state greatly differs in how it views things. States are basically different nations when it comes to culture and views.
If we were to operate by popular vote, candidate policies would only line up with cities with the largest populations and not with the overall needs of each state.
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u/ProfileBest2034 3d ago
Strongly disagree.Â
The wisdom and education level of most Americans is extremely low and the ability to manipulate most Americans with emotional appeals and false promises is extremely high.Â
We need far more roadblocks between people and voting, not fewer.Â

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u/Prudent_Shake_8149 4d ago
Trump agreedâŚ
âŚup to the point that it put him in office.