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[loved trope] The original character is much stronger than the violent parody
Superman and Homelander (Dc comics and The boys) even in the comics the best Homelander can do is throw a jet with one hand. meanwhile Superman can lift infinite weight and fly out of black holes.
Barney and Buddy (Buddy the unicorn and Barney the dinosaur) basically buddy is a demonic entirety that exists inside his TV and preys on people to brain wash them and make them part of his show, he can die by getting stabbed or burned. Barney can create stars and has literal imagination as his power.
I find this so much more endearing than the actual Barney. I was too old for Barney by quite a bit, but it was the favorite of a friend's baby sister. The voice and songs drilled into my brain.
I recently became engrossed in powerscaling discourse. My 64yo mother has a longstanding hatred of Barney the Dinosaur and has recently made it a point to show interest in my interests. I must send her this meme.
Ya know, when he ‘summoned’ a wishing star for Cody in the movie, it means either he CAN create a a shooting star from nothing or he is literally omniscient.
Either way, it’s a good thing Barney is all loving and friendly.
Not many people know this, but Barney is an aspect of Slanesh from Warhammer, being the Chaos god of things like pleasure. Barney represents the pleasure of loving and being loved by being kind.
Um this very much implies Barney is not someone you want to be around children
Not unless you want your children slowly turned into suffering abominations that seek fun to alleviate a gnawing boredom no matter how detrimental it is to others
Yeah, it's not so much that 'if kid cartoon then = godlike', like, nobody's saying Arthur from Arthur is out there throwing hands with Goku (Unless Goku got roped into teaching a karate class or something that could be a fun crossover)
But in a kid's show they'll do something like have a mime throw a lasso around the moon to pull it closer to earth, and that shit is like catnip to powerscalers.
Also, the more cartoony, the more batshit crazy they can be thanks to the power of gags. Like how Arale can easily defeat Super Saiyan God Blue Vegeta and crack the planet in two with a single punch just because it's funny.
To this day I still can't believe that people try to powerscale Saitama. Any "Who would win" debate that involves him automatically must have him as the winner, because that's the joke, he wins every fight with one punch.
"But that's the joke" I say as I hear someone say it's stupid for Saitama to punch out some 5-dimensional horror worked up in the depths of the SCP wiki.
Because characters with that kinda audience aren’t bound by thing like logic. Your 3 year old doesn’t care how Barney works, they’re just mystified by the big Dino doing whatever.
Partially because they aren't bound by logic, only whatever mystifies a child and brings them joy, thus getting them some wild feats.
But I personally suspect it's also because people don't like imagining such characters losing, especially not against the more violent and evil characters they get put against in either spite matchups or the rare serious ones.
It's also just because it's funny, at least for me. Taking obvious gags at face value and as serious as possible, imagining them less like a joke and what if they really happened. The only power scaler that actually matters is the writer, and OBVIOUSLY if SpongeBob and Goku fought officially SpongeBob would get reduced to atoms. But it's funny to see an episode of spongebob where he tilts the entire universe as a gag and compare him to Goku shaking the universe with a punch lol.
Kinda funny to take it at face value and a feat that took an entire lifetime of experience and power getting reduced to an in universe gag that takes zero effort from a fucking sea sponge lol
Also very true. Just look at Death Battle's SpongeBob vs Aquaman. SpongeBob held the fastest calculated speed feat for a long while in a show where they discuss the flash. It's hilarious.
Yeaaaah like, it's kindve an inside joke with the gag power scaling, at least for the most part. Sure, some people truly get serious about it but at least for the majority it's kinda just a meme to take it seriously and have these debates.
I'm a meme power scaler sometimes but like, at the end of the day it's just for goofs and friendly discussion. No, I don't actually care if bugs bunny is the most powerful thing in the universe apparently. Toon force is like a power scaling meme and essentially means nothing. But it's just the fact that you CAN scale these characters to absurd lengths is what makes it kinda fun.
It's basically a routine he did when he was younger in competitions, he can do it all the way through and he's something like 50 when he filmed Lazytown.
I know people with that level of cardio and strength but not flexibility too, and to be doing it at that age is crazy
Honestly never heard of those. My association with the trope is Shaggy being basically a stand-in for Goku power-wise and Garfield being an eldritch horror.
It comes from extrapolating from the fact that a toon can walk off a piano falling on them from 10 stories high, or shrug off a bundle of dynamite stick going off right next to them. Or even crazier, actually get turned to dust and reconstitute themselves immediately after.
If you take them out of their setting where those are visual gags, it means they're actually indestructible.
Also applied to the comic “defenders of earth” in which Godzilla faces Zilla again but this time Zilla holds his own with hit and run tactics. With the end of the story having Zilla becoming more respected despite Godzilla still being stronger in every way.
it's (unintentionally?) a pretty good remake of Beast From 20,000 Fathoms ironically, down to certain shots being incredibly similar which makes it more of a sibling to Godzilla than anything
It's a mixed bag. If the title had only been different, it would be a decent kaiju film, but utterly forgettable. However by attempting to call it Godzilla, Zilla obtained a notoriety that persisted and spun off into his own, much more memorable kaiju.
Honestly most complains about injustice’s changes to the characters are kinda addressed in the very story with the originals constantly criticizing and beating the clearly broken or messed up elseworld variants that should in no way be better than them
Baffling how the takeaway from many was evil superman when it ends with normal Superman defeating him
I like Superman beating characters like Ultraman, since the explanation they give is since Ultraman would just immediately kill his enemies he ended up being a lot less experienced at fighting.
Superman keeping his villains around allowed them to grow and continually challenge him throughout the years, as well as having trusted colleagues he could train with.
I believe so but its also been awhile since I played the game or looked at the comics. He definitely wasn't in the best mental headspace, especially towards the end of the Injustice game.
The fact that they took years of comics and condensed it into such a short movie would have gasted my flabber but these are also the brainiacs that canceled Young Justice twice.
Injustice would be a great way to end the Snyderverse, but only if it's Cavill and Corenswet; and it would also introduce multiverse shenanigans to Gunns DCU too early so maybe not yet
Funny little tidbit about Homelander: His Comic Version is actually WEAKER than the TV Version
His two best feats in the comics where chucking that jet, and screaming so loud ears popped. The nuke thing? Never shown. Speed? Just comparisons
You remember how him and Maeve absolutely screwed the plane rescue? Well in the comics, the Whole Seven got on it, fucked it up even worse, and then one of them died
Yeah a big part of that scene was that her sword, which i think was real (someone else said it was a prop) and she is still a supe, still didnt matter against Homelander and her trying to attack him was a futile effort.
I guess we dont actually see Homelanders death in the comics but enough other supes just got gunned down so a minigun probably would have taken him down too
I mean. At the end of the day a parody can still turn into an interesting and memorable take on the base formula, meaning that it will inspire people in its own way.
I can't think of any others but I'm sure other parodies also gained such a big life away from what they were parodising that they became their own phenomenon.
A chapter of the kkk made a parody of Mr. Rodgers in the form of a audio tape played over the phone. He took them to court sueing them and shutting it down. He also sued ice cube a few years later for sampling the theme to his show in one of ice cubes songs.
In my country the Spanish dub did magic with drawn together (mainly because Captain hero and Freezer- dragon ball- have the same voice actor so hearing the emperor say ‘you’re right my effeminate friend’ is hilarious)
I can respect that, I just wish parents would learn stuff about the movies they take their kids to see. Hearing about toddlers being exposed to that kind of stuff really took the wind out of my sails
I agree. It's entirely the parents' fault though. There's not a single version of the cinema presentation art that isn't creepy in some way, and without the big R rating symbol on it. They saw a mascot, and decided it was for kids, even if it was artistically obscured by TV static indicated that maybe it's not what it seems.
I don't know, man, as someone who has worked in many customer service positions, I've come to learn that every single mother fucker than walks through the door has a room temperature IQ. They would drink dish soap if there wasn't a label telling them not to.
I always think of customers as having negative IQ. Unless someone can do something vaguely intelligent, like knowing their orders or cleaning up their own FUCKING mess, then theyre all the product of 22 generations of inbreeding.
And he didn’t even fight him to do it, because Bruce knew that fighting Jean-Paul would strengthen his resolve and delusions. He literally just crawled through a space too tight for the Azrael-Batman to fit through. He kept the helm on, then Bruce struck a loose board, unleashing sunlight onto the night vision Jean-Paul had activated, forcing him to remove it. They talked it out and Bruce resumed the mantle.
If I recall, they've talked about it and it was partially a stunt like the Death of Superman arc and partially because of the Image stuff and readers complaining that Batman with his no kill rule and not using guns was lame and not 90s and extreme.
So they created Azrael to fill that role with his badass armor and pouches and then immediately had him go off the rails to show what a giant asshole he was and to prove the point that no one should want an extreme 90s Batman.
I can't find it anymore, but there was an interview with Denny O'Neil talking about how it was an intentional deconstruction of the idea.
Wolverine managed to beat Lobo in a straight fight in Marvel vs DC
This was so silly they couldn't even come up with a good way for it to happen so he just beats him off panel (without spilling so much as drop of blood, apparently), but it nonetheless happened
yep, which often meant popularity trump ability, so you end up with these off-screen beatdowns or almost insulting parodies (like the Spider-Man vs Superboy one) when they can't think of a legitimate win.
Lobo has survived that and worse. He can canonically regenerate from a drop of blood (and every drop of blood used to make a new Lobo until he got nerfed) and got banned from the afterlife for being a pain in the ass
Surviving wasn’t a factor. The way the rules worked during that (and the other fights), incapacitating the opponent, even for a moment, was enough to declare victory. Stabbing Lobo in the head and knocking him out would count.
If I recall correctly, Sonic.exe is canonically weaker than the original.
That’s not quite it; but as much of a disemboweling monster as MeatCanyon’s Peppa Pig is, she doesn't seem to be on the level of tearing out chunks of a wall or tanking a crash through the roof the way Daddy Pig does.
Gabriel from Mandela Catalogue has the powers to induce madness and create impostors of people. Gabriel from the bible is... well it's ambiguous to scale entities from the bible but at the very least he is empowered by an omnipotent God.
I think it would be more accurate to say that's lucifer wearing Gabriel's skin unless something in more recent episodes contradicts that. I also wonder where the Michael is, wasn't he supposed to kick Lucifer's teeth in?
The leading theory for Mandela catalogue was that Lucifer somehow won the war and has brought hell on earth. Though I haven’t checked in with series in a while.
To be fair pretty much every parody / mimic of superman (except Hyperion and The Plutonian , and maybe a few others I can't think of) are way weaker than big blue
Nier- The Shadow Lord is the much stronger original compared to the protagonist, who's a clone who accidentally became a person, the shadowlord being the hope for humanity and even shutting down the protag'ss magic in the final fight, he mostly loses giving up hope of saving his sister.
While the protagonist pretty much exterminates humanity and a large portion of the game is him dehumanizing them with typical protagonist tropes turned on its head.
Being the best hope, refers to the shadowlord, vs the protagonist his violent clone.
Humans literally live off him. Human transferred to shadow bodies (hence the shadowlord title) to escape a disease from another world's evil god. They had clones to go back to after waiting it out, the clones accidentally became sentient and the project was sabotaged anyway, he however was a perfect subject and can help other stay sane. If the human dies or loses themselves the clone dies too so it was a lose lose situation for them. Some have merged back by the game but not enough to sustain humanity, so in Nier Automata the protag is remembered as the destroyer.
I never got the hate for Barney. He's so innocent and caring, he's a force of good for the sake of being good. He's a good purple dinosaur that makes people happy
Beyond Sonic.exe, a good 9/10 creepypasta characters based on pre-existing series. The most recent one that made rounds was 'Chimera' from a pokemon creepypasta, Hypno's Lullaby (reboot): A Hex Maniac infected with a parasite who took advantage of a trainer lacking her pokemon, and infecting her too. Most meme'd on how the situation would be dramatically different even if she just had a level 5 starter. Even a starter, stage 1, or similar could deal with the Hex Maniac easily. Let alone the insect she infects with (having 150 in speed, but only 10 in every other stat iirc). Really sucks they allegedly started harassing the creator afterwards. They were in on the joke of how badly Chimera would get no-diff'd in more typical circumstances and never denied it. Was a shame.
What I find most hilarious is despite their ludicrous power gap Eric Kripke said that he thinks Homelander would beat Superman because he "hits below the belt"
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u/Crux_Of_Orion 18h ago
You know I never thought about the concept of Barney being overpowered.