A Federal Europe?

[u/Esteban83550]

Do you like the idea of a federal Europe? having some areas of sovereignty like the Army, a substantial budget, an elected president and government and many more

765 votes, 16d ago

373 Yes Absolutely

139 Yes partially

68 Not sure

44 No partially

141 Absolutely against

[u/nokrzy]

Civil war speedrun. Haven’t we learned anything from Yugoslavia or Soviet union? At least in Yugoslavia they were speaking similar languages, imagine what would happen with even more ethnicities and languages

[u/Esteban83550 → u/nokrzy]

that's your opinion

[u/Dkiprochazka → u/Esteban83550]

Mine and many others too. And I don't see how could it go differently.

[u/Esteban83550 → u/Dkiprochazka]

many people think that of course but I strongly believe it will be radically different

[u/Dkiprochazka → u/Esteban83550]

How so? History has shown us that every country covering more ethnicities will eventually collapse. Thinks for example how many empires historically existed and now there's literally 0.. and more, like Czechislovakia, Austrian Hungarian empire, Yugoslavia, or for example Yemen, which hasn't collapsed yet, but is stuck in one of the most deadly civil wars today.

[u/Reality-Straight → u/Dkiprochazka]

brazil, india, the usa, Switzerland, early germany, the uk. Just to name a few where this doesn't hold true.

The key part in all of them is that they are democracies.

[u/Esteban83550 → u/Dkiprochazka]

Switzerland, Belgium, Canada, India are pretty successful, they have their downsides but they're pretty good, we're also in a proto federal stage with a common money, parliament, citizenship, borders, commercial policy, anthem, flag, a market, a chart of rights, a motto and much more

[u/Helios-Jollywolf → u/Esteban83550]

Neither switzerland nor belgium are melting pots, nor are those illegals the germans made them take melting

[u/Reality-Straight → u/Helios-Jollywolf]

Switzerland is quite literally composed of germans, french and italians in various amounts. Its THE melting pot with three official languages and everything

[u/Dkiprochazka → u/Esteban83550]

Those are different though, because the countries I listed were created by unification, while the ones you mentioned were (with the exception of Belgium) created the opposite way - by separation (from an empire). Canada and India from the British empire and Switzerland from the Holy Roman empire. Also, India has ethnic clashes. Also, in Canada, Switzerland, Belgium the people don't mind living together while in the EU there are countries that definitely wouldn't want to unite with eachother even as a federation.

To your second point, yes, you are right, and that already is pushing it because euroscepticism has been rising for some time now (sure it's a source from 2023 but still relevant). I mean, ever since 2014, not only we haven't had any new EU members but one actually even left.

And yeah, I agree that some of the things in EU need to reform, but then why not just improve the EU policies more properly? That's a way less ambitious goal than uniting the EU into a federal country.

[u/Alblaka → u/Dkiprochazka]

I mean, in the past decade or two the US has kind of set itself up for disqualifying from 'good examples', but arguably before that it was kind of a success story for multi-ethnic melting pots.