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To all those saying Kamal Hassan didn't say anything wrong
When a sanghi says Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages don't you get pissed? Appo avangallukkum apdi daane irukum?
There's no conclusive proof that Kannada came out of Tamil. At best what we can say is they both came out of a common ancestor but Tamil retains more of the ancestral language. That doesn't in any way mean Kannada came out of Tamil!
He was just like those North Indian chauvinist who think everything came out of Sanskrit's ass. Don't become the chauvinists you're resisting :)
tamilians are made believe on trivial things to fight and all, this is a true method fought and succeeded in kerala to undermine majority believers; in Kerala it was communism for a starter.
but basically they wants to split based on caste and the big winner here is church;
i’m not tamil, but i can underline the winner would be the church and church only.
as mentioned there is no reason behind diverting relatively tolerant population on to the brink of chaos on the basis of religion and caste along with terms like , north south divide, cutting south, hindi imposition, hindu hate???
can you tell me who stands to win??? who won in Kerala though the table has been changed, that some other religion is converting their girls ??
English Came from German, all English knows this and they don't give two fucks about it.
If Kannada came from Tamil, who gives a fuck? Or Tamil came from Korean, who gives a fuck.
40% of Indian wealth is with 1% of the Indian population. That is what ppl need to be worried about.
English did not come from German lol. Neither did Kannada from Tamil or Sanskrit. Why don't lay people leave this matter to actual linguists and historians.
If A coming into B's House and A telling B is A's kid, it's already OFFENSIVE.
Given, A has always publicly abhored B's real Parent C, Now A Coming into B's House & saying C is not your Parent da' & We A are You B's real Parent da... it's BRUTALLY OFFENSIVE and adding salt to the earlier wound.
When a sanghi says all languages are born from sanskrit.. we don't go out in the streets and protest or make a ruckus. We (or maybe just I) sense some ignorance, and when there's no conclusive proof, chalk it up as one man's opinion. Which is a protected right by our constitution.
As a Kannadiga, I agree. If some Tamil minister had said those words, protests would have been justifiable. Kamal Hassan though, for all his achievements, is just a film star and his words don't mean much.
The people who are debating are missing the point.
The carelessness of many recent North Indian immigrants into Bangalore and their insensitivity to local culture is the real cause of the backlash.
What Kamal Hassan is creating is this image that Tamils are also equally insensitive (not true).
This is about optics. Apologizing and supporting Kannada could have won him more support across South. He missed the point.
He’s busy trying to be right. Even if right, he’ll create further resentment and Tamil insensitivity next.
This.. Rn we are actually seeing tamils and hindis as the same except tamils wanna push away hindis too that's it.. Even after kaveri protests idt people were that divided but the fact that tamils are saying kannadigas to understand KH was right is creating even ruckus..
“Even if right”? The issue is—he’s not right in the first place. Personally, I don’t even think an apology is necessary. What he should do is issue a simple clarification, like most politicians do when they’ve misspoken. Something along the lines of “we’re all born of the same mother” would have been enough to calm things down. But instead, with one reckless and unnecessary statement, he’s jeopardized the unity that existed—especially between Karnataka and Tamil Nadu—against the imposition of Hindi. And this goes beyond just language. It weakens the much larger fight against delimitation, which, if unchecked, will severely cripple South India’s political bargaining power. It was an irresponsible move with serious consequences.
Let me give you my perspective. Whatever kamal said if you look at it in isolation, factually it's debatable...
If you look at it contextually, he was only endearing to shivanna, almost saying we are brothers.
This was a passing statement made in an event. People with an ounce of common sense or sanity will ignore it, cos it's not worth anyones time.
Kamal besides being popular weilds no power holds no office... When the honorable home minister made a similar statement regarding kannada and other Indian languages were born out of sanskrit i didn't see this kind of outrage.
But as 3rd generation tamil living in bangalore, let me tell you something , there is a small pocket of kannadigas who simply can't stand us, they always wait for something to be upset about . Even if kamal had said kannada and tamil are brothers they would have outraged over who is the elder brother.
And look at all the political outfits getting involved in this, there is a larger agenda at play. They don't want to see South indians be United. They know there's a historical animosity between us, and making full use of it to blow things out of proportion.
KH doubled down and said "won't apologize if I'm right" like he holds a PhD in linguistics, while even actual linguistics and dravidiologists either don't think Kannada was born out of Tamil or are at best divided on the issue. He had a chance to back down. He chose not to. Let's not give him the benefit of "taken out of context".
Of course he won't apologize, when people deliberately take things out of context and misinterpret with sole purpose of bullying and play politics at his expense..
I always thought he is going to apologize, so glad he didn't give in to these bullies...
Now he has decided not to release in karnataka as they wanted... So it shd die down.... Watch this is going to get bigger... It was never about love for language... These fringe groups wanted mileage by bullying... But this has only up the ante..
Naatla evlo Prachana iruku. Idhu oru prachanai ah?! What does it matter which language originated from where. In Rome, you be a Roman. Simple. If you move to a different city or country - you have to speak that language and adapt to that culture. How does it matter what language originated from where? Illa namba enna time travel machine eh vechutu poi Indha origin point ah edachum panna porom ah!
Don’t give him importance. Any publicity is publicity - he is trying to be in the limelight to promote his movie.
All I understand is that he wanted to share that he loves Kannada people because we are similar. He just exaggerated it to the extent that brought some kind of hierarchy into this discussion that offended them.
How would you now encourage brotherhood with the Kannada people without offending them?
By not being the wannabe supreme Dravidian. We all are sister languages who evolved from the Proto Dravidian language. Of course we know that tamil was born before kannada but that doesn't mean kannada is derived out of tamil. If you are factually right there is no need to worry about anything. This whole logic what KH used was that we all should be united but we will be the dominant language. And the love KH expressed to Shivanna was on the pretext of this kannada's derivation from tamil.
That statement whether fact or not wasn't required. It is a sensitive time with a lot happening with the language issue in karnataka. Kamal needs to differentiate between a political rally and a movie promotion.
Tamil or any dravida language do not originate from Sanskrit, so anger is justified. But Kannada evolved from old Tamil. So what's the justification for the righteous anger?
Wtf are you into. Old tamil was derived from proto Dravidian language which is extinct. This is the same language from which kannada is also derived from. Tamil and kannada hold a sister like bond coz kannada was born AFTER tamil, not FROM it
The biggest betrayal to tamil was naming old Tamil as proto Dravidian. If you see the words of proto Dravidian they are tamil words. The so called common ancestor was the oldest form of Tamil. I'm really looking forward to seeing inscriptions of the that proto Dravidian. Kannada as it stands today is an independent language. But the research does reveal that it has branched off of old Tamil (aka so-called prD) almost two millennia back and new language got created. So kannada is likely to have branched off of old Tamil and eventually became a language of its own with some of its own vocabulary while still retaining many old Tamil words. Of course sanskrit/prakrit influence was there. Technically tamil didn't give birth to kannada. So it's wrong (to some it maybe offensive) to say that. Kannada's roots had tamil as well as other including probably it's natively formed words. For tamil and tamilnadu, thanks to its geographical location and strong kingdoms (till 13th century AD) there were less invasions and importantly other people migrations compared to Karnataka or Andhra regions. Thus less cultural/linguistic mixes in TN. Kannada itself is a very old language. But old Tamil = Proto Dravidian. Some people have agendas to prove otherwise at all costs which is disheartening.
Thanks KH. You have successfully rekindled the enmity again between the two states.
labeling everything as tamil by tamil fanatics doesn't make it tamil, the proto dravidan and the tamil you speak today as way too different to be even compared properly. You would probably find more similialry with languages from neighbouring states than with proto dravidan. Not to mention all south indian lanaguges are from proto dravidan, tamilans have just not evolved the root languages as well as the people from other states did making it most similar to it, this gives them the incorrect assumption that they made proto dravidan and is the root of south indian lanagues, the very fact that tamilans wasn't able to evolve the language as much as others show that they weren't the one who originally developed or evolved it.
How do you know? Oldest literature is still tamil. Still intelligible. We use same words. Only the sentence formation changes and evolves as in any language. This is common for any language. In fact, tamil is very intelligBle compared to other ancient language. Clearly you don't have any idea of what you are talking about. How many books you have read on proto Dravidian and linguistic history? Have you seen comparison of proto Dravidian words and other south indian languages? All i see is hate on tamil and prevent tamil getting the recognition and history it deserves. I urge to approach this with open mind and set aside the hatred for tamil. And lastly your last statement is the absolute rubbish. What do you mean by evolve? Evolve as in literature or language? If it's former you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If it's latter, then buddy not evolving in terms of sounds , alphabets shows the antiquity of the language and primitiveness. By primitive I mean old.
Dude you have zero knowledge on what you are talking about. Only hatred for tamil and you are hell bent on proving tamil is not a old language and with baseless points and zero proof.
I think it’s important to differentiate between linguistic continuity and linguistic dominance. Tamil definitely has the oldest surviving body of literature among the Dravidian languages, and that’s a huge cultural achievement but that doesn’t automatically make old Tamil synonymous with Proto-Dravidian. That’s a linguistic stretch.
Proto-Dravidian is a reconstructed language, not something that exists in inscriptions or direct texts. It’s a hypothetical common ancestor inferred from similarities across all Dravidian languages, not just Tamil. Many root words reconstructed in Proto-Dravidian also show up in Kannada, Telugu, and even Brahui not because they branched from Tamil, but because they share a deeper common root. That’s how language families work man!
If Tamil appears closer to the reconstructed Proto-Dravidian, it may be due to relatively conservative linguistic evolution, not proof that it is Proto-Dravidian. That doesn’t make Tamil less rich or significant it just places it properly within a wider linguistic context.
Also, Change doesn’t mean loss of value. Kannada and Telugu evolved with heavy influence from Prakrit, Sanskrit, and native innovation this isn’t a failure to preserve roots, it’s part of dynamic linguistic evolution.
So yeah, let’s celebrate Tamil’s antiquity, but let’s not rewrite linguistic history in the process.
They should take action for rage baiting people for free publicity for movies and stuff. Tamil people living/working in Bangalore only have to bear the brunt of these acts while these guys make money out of this.
Bro ..he said it on a stage ... nowadays Social Media statements itself are getting so much attention..just imagine what would be the case if something is said publicly
It is arrogant to say that they came out of you in front of themselves in stage . It just shows our ignorance . We are becoming tamizh pride mongers with this there is no pride in being born in a place which you didn't choose to .
Does any country(ies) claim every day thr neighbouring country language came from theirs? Which is oldest language or religion? One cannot deny all southern (& rest of India) native kingdoms built Hindu temples only.
a few fringe groups will always take things "out of context" and will get their sentiments hurt for politics and this group is across the spectrum, if you keep validating and apologising to these fringe groups, they will keep coming after you.
i'm sure majority of the Kannada people understand the context and they don't really care as much.
Sanghis will fuel this fire it helps them to switch the language debate from Kannada vs Hindi to Kannada vs Tamil and also it's a Congress govt so it helps their politics to project them as savior.
Hindi national language nu tha solran, ana ivainga Languages ku elam naaga 😂 tha munnodi nu self claim panran. Tamil is just a sibling like other languages. there is no conclusive proofs yet. who is that root. So sanda podratha nipaatunga ya dinamum oru prechanaya kondu varainga.
Question is not about whether Kamal is right or wrong. It is about Kannadigas blackmailing by banning Thug Life. This issue is not something to do with tit for tat. How many rubbish statements we hear from North? Do we ban all Bollywood films?
Hindi is the national language and Sankrit the mother of all languages is something propagated by someone everyday which is factually and constitutionally wrong. Do you see everyone getting riled up for that?
All this language war is to divide the people. India is growing finally faster compared to before no matter how much people hate the current government. But the opposition and outside forces want to derail that using freebies, caste wars and language divisions (north/south)
All this language war is to divide the people. India is growing finally faster compared to before no matter how much people hate the current government. But the opposition and outside forces want to derail that using freebies, caste wars and language divisions (north/south)
It was a silly statement from Kamal. It’s like a random high schooler saying stuff to win an argument. It’s okay that he doesn’t apologise though. We as common people know that was pretty lame statement coming from kamal.
While I completely agree with you. It’s sad to see native people of Karnataka favouring Hindi to Kannada at many instances! They have to fight against the common enemy (Hindi) and not people who speak their sister language (Tamil)
lol a sanghi’s comment isn’t met with this much protest or scrutiny because freedom of speech isn’t equal. you’re only allowed to speak your mind and have opinions as long as they’re considered valid in the eyes of the oppressor group.
The reality is not only tamil ancient it exists throughout the continent. For now, tamil nadu is the only state which holds the name of tamilian in future even i don't know tamil nadu will exist because of the Dravidian government. The thing is Kannada is not from tamil then trying to say is to save their language. Even if it's not, it contains the base of tamil. Sanskrit is also another term many languages contain but tamil has the existence to live now . Please don't encourage privatisation and Dravidian strategies because no country thinks a shit but tamilnadu use as the loophole to get votes.
I am 17M , I have not have much knowledge but my words are emotion's
Also the one thing periyar guy lived in the state written is tamil can't use for begging like that. Before the world seeks tamil as a diamond but know they see as a one of side southern language people used to speak rather than the language introduced to live beings (may not understandable)
Please use 2026 as a good chance to vote a new people not a Dravidian who use periyar as a kind to appreciate but he is the man writing tamil as shit and make people belive as he correct
It needs to be seen with the context. Sanghis say Sanskrit is mother of all languages so you better learn Sanskrit. Kamal said you and me are equal because Kannada is born out of Tamil. If he said so you better learn Tamil, then it is wrong. It needs to be debated at the intellectual stage and anyone can argue differently but definitely not picking up a single line and persuading him to apologize.
This is how science evolves, one put forth a theory another one take it up discard unwanted and improvise it until it shape into theory of relativity or origin of species. All those things came when churches are powerful enough to steer the state against it. It is ridiculous to let it happen at this time. This country needs more scientific temper.
This is just a ploy by Kamal to divert attention during elections.
During the previous election Kamal gave a speech that the first terrorists in Independant India was a Hindu in muslims area and now he is creating a controversy by raising language issues.
As long as he divides votes Kamal is happy, he does not care if people get injured or killed due to the hatred he is stirring.
He didn't say anything wrong, it is just etymology. Please never compare unnatural Sanskrit grooming to Tamil protectionism. People can Sanskrit as dev bhasha, no one ever claimed such sort in Tamil, hell we don't even claim we are superior to Kannada/Malayalam/Telugu or any other language that has Tamil origin.
Kamal just said we are brothers thru language, something to that effect.
Tamil is mother of Kannada, I have said this to many Kannadigas no one’s feeling got affected. Because it is proved, And Sanskrit is sister of Tamil both originated more or less at same time. If Sanskrit is proven to be mother of Tamil, I’ll accept it and not wine about it like senseless idiot
Absolutely. Pride can be there but not while trivialising or belittling others and claiming we are “older” and “ancient”. Yes, Tamil is old and thriving still. So what? This false sense of ethnocentric / jingoistic pride is stupid.
Previously I thought whatever language you want to speake speak it is your choice, Learn enough language of place if you are living outside in any other state that you can understand and make others understand what you mean
But hell naah these telugu people they went a step ahead and poked there finger in arse, So now I too have hard stance
Sanskrit is father of tamil and telugu and all other mallu pallu languages
Let me burn you guys ....You know what every other post in this sub is either sanghis do this or North do that .....but the subs of Northern States doesn't even give a damn to Tamilians . Now you can downvote me 😂
Damn, if anything, this controversy only proved that the self proclaimed Tamil leftists aren't as rational and pragmatic as they claim to be.
A lot of my friends are leftists and the Kamal glaze was Insane.
When the Karnataka High court asked Kamal to apologise and he refused to do it, my friends literally started posting insta stories, "Sorry kekka avaru yenna savarkar nu nenaicheengala da" 🤡
These same chuds would seethe hard if some senior BJP politician like Amit Shah or Subramanian Swami made remarks like how Tamil was born from Sanskrit or Hindi lol.
Like bro Tamil leftists ain't shit. They are as tribalistic as the rightoids. It's just that they have the loudest noise in Tamil cyberspace and have a, "holier-than-thou" attitude.
There was another Tamil leftist influencer who said that Kannadigas should go search for evidence if Kannada was born out of Tamil 🤡🙏🏾
Mf, the onus of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. It's KH who's supposed to show proof instead, the goofy ahh old man went, "we will leave this debate to historians and linguists". The. Why did you have to make such a controversial statement in the first place? 😭🙏🏾Just to stir up confusion and ethnic tensions for the sake of cheap ass marketing for your mid ass film?
As a celebrity, he's supposed to know that his comments have real world impacts. There's no guarantee that a few hooligans who vandalize Tamil owned shops during the peak of Kaveri water dispute wouldn't mind using this as a casus belli to harass Tamils in Karnataka again?
I'm pretty sure if a right wing politician made a sensitive comment along communal lines, which would have potential to create real world impact, leftists would unanimously ask him to apologise.
The more and more I see it, it only becomes obvious that Tamil leftists aren't any better.
To keep his Political ambition relevant. He is now going to Rajya Sabha by championing one of DMK's causes - language politics.
To get traction for his movie which may otherwise just bomb without publicity. Why? Mani Ratnam lost his shine, Trisha is not the best actress or dancer, STR has his own stupid battles to fight, Kamal in my opinion didn't do any good after Anbe Sivam. With all reputed stars with no talent/skill/interest in films, Kamal (and his studio) needs controversy. Without it he will face huge losses.
Good luck with him. I'm not gonna watch Thug Life.
Cine people look for ways to make their films the talking point. May there there is not enough market in K'nataka for his films and hopes to earn more from TN by backlash
Like those quotes that Kylie Jenner and the like post on Instagram… sounds nice to hear, but when you break it down to its core, there’s nothing there.
As a Punjabi staying in Bengal, who speaks fluent Bengali. I wish we Indians would stop this stupid language war. All our languages are beautiful, but we can use English to bridge the gap.
Yes both can be wrong. I'm against both. And kamal hassan should apologize. Hes been going around and I also feel there's some very slight propaganda about Tamil leading the Dravidian movement which I find weird. I find it weird we r in some group, I have no clue who Tamilians are as a community that I can just start to call myself Dravidian brothers. We speak Dravidian languages. And I for one speak konkani which is not a Dravidian languages but has heavy kannada influence. Sounds not at all inclusive, cause I do speak kannada(I'm from blr).
I'm against imposition pls make it clear. But kamal hassan should apologize. Let alone apologise, this dude doesn't even want to say he's wrong. Hes sowing the seeds unnecessarily. I also disagree that sanskrit is the mother of all languages. If u want at max u can say there is sanskrit influence, but yeah it's not the mother of father.
It's not about intention. The apology is not about intention it's about the future consequence it can lead to.
He was right. I think it’s high time Kannada people realize where their language is coming from. It’s a derivative of Tamil. Not sure why it’s confusing.
Literally most of South Indian languages came out of Tamil. The way I see it is - most of North Indian languages came from Arabic/persian whereas South Indian languages came from Tamil. With the exception of Telugu that got mixed too much with Prakrit.
There are qualified linguists who have published their peer reviewed research on this. Their consensus is that Kannada was not derived from Tamil and unless you have conclusive evidence to disprove that, stfu.
If Tamil has earliest written record doesn't mean other south languages came from Tamil. The difference and time-line go beyond it. Linguist call it proto Dravidian language, which has its origin fro. Iranian farmers. Northern IE languages didn't come from Arabic or Persian.
There's is a possibility that Proto Tamil Kannada is just an older version of Old Tamil. Kamal could be right. More research is required. Also why are Kannadigas hiding Halegannada. Worried that the striking similarities will show?
If more research is required, do it and then speak, until then don't endorse these non sensical statements uttered to divert public attention from issues like ED raids on binomis
there is no such research. it is evident from your comment that you are simply bullshitting without having any clue about linguistics. if 'proto tamil kannada' is simply old tamil, than it is by definition NOT old tamil. proto tamil kannada, by definition, is the ancestor of tamil and kannada. hence it cannot be tamil. that is basic, basic, linguistics that a 5th grader could understand.
Linguistics has Proto Tamil Malayalam as a classification but we all know there was only Tamil and Mlayalam branched off from it similarly there is a possibility that proto Tamil kannada is just older version of Tamil.
Malayalam claim is valid as Chera Nadu was part of Tamilakam and it has valid backing and there are historical accounts of how Malayalam was formed by Nambhoodaris
No such claim is there for Kannada or Telugu, infact it can very well be vice versa, Kannadigas can simply claim they migrated to South to Tamilakam and Tamil is a older version of kannada
And Kingdoms have always migrated from North to TN, be it the Velirs of Sangam Age who came from Dwaraka, Ganga Dynasty of Karnataka who were the Kalapirar, Vijayanagar kingdoms and many more
In my opinion, intentions with which that statement was said needs to be scrutinised to determine if it was meant as an insult or just an ignorant mistake made while trying to foster kinship.
Actors are no linguists, no need to take their words as facts. But making an issue out of a well intended statement and trying to frame is as disrespect and then demanding an apology is all way out of line.
I'm sorry that our education system let you down. As someone who studied about Lemuria kandam in school and actually believed it, I empathize with you and don't even blame you at this point. But I hope you learn to think critically
Kamal hassan was worse because Sanskrit was much much more culturally and linguistically influential than tamil when you look at the scale of how much it influenced in south asian subcontinent and outside it.
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u/AmphibianMiserable81 Jun 03 '25
This kind of language argument is similar to two groups of monkeys fighting over which banana is tastier.
All the bananas taste the same. You just eat the one that grows in your locality.