r/SipsTea 3d ago

Chugging tea Thoughts on this?

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u/bmo313 3d ago

"The fact is that the greatest crimes are caused by excess and not by necessity." -- Aristotle.

u/Electrical-Heat8960 3d ago

It’s not the greatest crimes this would stop.

Ocean’s 11 would still exist (in theory)

But phone theft. Parcel theft, muggings; they would all drop.

This is a documented fact. It’s well known that this works. It’s just the optics aren’t good for politicians and when they want to make cuts cutting support for ex criminals is an easy choice.

u/FourPlayInTheBay 2d ago

Tell me you don't know any violent criminals without telling

u/Electrical-Heat8960 2d ago

I’ve spent large parts of my career in prisons.

On the other side I’ve also been friends with gangsters and petty criminals.

Support isn’t going to stop a psycho being a psycho.

Almost all people in prison are not psychos, just poor and stupid.

u/FourPlayInTheBay 2d ago

First, we agree on the psychos. Psycho gonna psycho. But “poor and stupid” explains some criminal behavior, it doesn’t excuse it. The vast majority of poor and unintelligent people still manage not to repeatedly victimize other people. At some point, if someone repeatedly demonstrates that they either can’t or won’t live in society without committing crimes, why should everyone else be required to keep absorbing the consequences? Maybe their circumstances improve, maybe they don’t. But after enough chances, I’m comfortable prioritizing the people who can live within the rules.

u/Acceptable_Handle_2 1h ago

People can easily live within the rules until their circumstances make it impossible. You can scream "it's illegal to steal" all you want, but if someone is hungry they're gonna steal.

We can either hurt people because you deem them unworthy, or we can actually apply psychology.

u/Electrical-Heat8960 2d ago

If you want to hurt them increase prison times.

If you want to fix the problem increase support.