r/SipsTea 3d ago

Chugging tea Thoughts on this?

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u/Varderal 3d ago

That'll take the desperate crimes off the table. The ones fueled by greed will always be presant no matter how utopian we all live.

u/Albaholly 3d ago

It also prevents desperate people from falling into line with greedy people.

u/WanderingRonin7 3d ago

How do you fix that though? Genuine and sincere question. I yearn for a better world to live in where we as a species and planet are able to survive, but thrive, without endangering others in the process. It always takes just a few to ruin things for everyone else. How do you take that mindset and change it in a more forward and positive direction. If there was one trait I could take away from humanity, it would be greed, but there is no black and white answer. Something like that would take generations. My favorite quote is, "A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in".

u/Professional_Size_62 3d ago

studies have shown that the severity of punishment actually has very little effect on crime occurance rates - what does have a large effect is the expectation of being caught.

from what i can see, we have a passive society with lenient legal systems these days. feels like every day you hear of some violent attack from a 32 times convicted felon that was released without bail like the week before. What's more is that poor or anti-social behaviour is tolerated, things like playing loud music on a train for example.

a layer close to the core, people feel like they're the only person that matters, they are the main character - in contrast, in japan, it is normal for people who arrive to work early, to park the furthest from the building, assuming that someone running late will need to park close to the building. They care about their community, they participate in it and they self regulate their collective behaviour. We do not.

we need better policing both from police but also from citizens. people should hesitate to make a scene in public or to do something anti-social. Reddits like r/ImTheMainCharacter should be starved of content.

u/Bob1358292637 3d ago

It would be easier for me to believe our issue with crime is more about strictness than allocation if we weren't still locking people up over weed and shrooms. I feel like we waste so many resources punishing people for minor stuff that often has zero negative impact on anyone when we could be using those resources to police gang bangers and actually violent offenders instead.

u/Grand-Olive2599 15h ago

A lot of truth in this post.

u/jmg5 3d ago edited 3d ago

well said. Not that I want to prop up Guiliani (because the last decade of his career was an absolute cringy embarrassments) , but he did turn NYC around by doing exactly what you propose -- the broken windows theory. He met a lot of pushback, but he started enforcing minor punishments (fines) for minor crimes (e.g., panhandler/window washers, graphitti, etc), and enforced punishment jail time, etc. for worse crimes (and mandatory bail for most crimes.)

Now? NYC criminal system is a joke. No bail for non-violent crimes. You get a desk warrant and a court date, which no one ever shows up for. Non-violent crimes (theft, vandalism, car break ins, etc) have sky rocketed in NYC, because no one expects the punishments to be enforced, and if they're caught, NYC has a baked-in "catch and release" criminal system.

NYC literally started to give accused criminals gift cards, metro passes, and ball game tickets for showing up for a court appearance to their court date, as incentive to return. Needless to say, most took the gift cards, and never showed up. google it, it's true.

u/Bitchface-Deluxe 2d ago

I will never ever subscribe to the “reward bad behavior” theory. Fuck that shit. Meanwhile, decent people get hammered making an innocent victimless mistake.

u/jmg5 2d ago

exactly. impose penalties for all crimes, even if it's a $10 fine, but make sure its enforced. And bring back bail. If people know there are consequences to their actions, they'll think twice before committing a crime.

I don't even bother driving in NYC anymore. the amount of smash and grabs in cars -- in broad daylight -- is astounding. Fuckers don't even look to see if anything is in there, they smash the window, root around for shit, and move on to the next car. Knowing with absolute certainty the cops won't touch them.

newest thing is traffic racing in NYC. google it on youtube, there are several posters that literally one dude is doing doughnuts around a cop car, then takes off, knowing he's fine because NYC has a no-pursuit (and no spike strip) policy.

u/GrumbleAlong 2d ago

This is the truth I lived with in the clean up of NYC. People were calling Rudy America's Mayor before he hooked his star to presidential politics.

u/jmg5 2d ago

I started working in the city in the 90s, and whatever you say about him, he really turned it around. It went from a complete shithole, to a fun, vibrant, safe city. Now it's a shithole again.

He started his downward spiral after 9/11, when he actually tried to suspend voting because he thought it would be disruptive to the rebuilding effort--- that more than anything foreshadowed his upcoming lunacy.

u/LISparky25 2d ago

Completely agree with the 1st 2 paragraphs. Criminals often look to jail as an upgrade. It’s pretty insane tbh.

u/BananaMundane7263 2d ago

Japan is also extremely homogenous with little diversity and actively pushes back against non Japanese people living in Japan. It’s easier to get everyone on the same page when everyone is from the same book.

u/Professional_Size_62 2d ago edited 1d ago

Well, that certainly could be the case but the ramifications of that are somewhat unsettling for a lot of people. Such a fact, if true would be ground to argue the value of racial segregation and homogeny. It would argue against allowing immigrations as well and I dont really like the logical path that that leads us down

u/yingyangKit 2d ago

You do know that the Japanese crime rate is so slow due to the fucked up shit their police do right? If they can't find the perp they will just grab someone else and beat the confession out of them , or categorize it as another type of crime, along w fudging statistics.