r/SipsTea 3d ago

Chugging tea Thoughts on this?

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u/SnooHabits3911 3d ago

It sounds great but you’ll still have crime and violence. You’ll never get rid of humans capacity to commit evil acts

u/Tatchkoma 3d ago

Did that person say "Eliminate crime by eliminating poverty?"

Or did they say "LESSEN crime by eliminating poverty?"

u/ratbastid 3d ago

Right? Why is it always, "Well that would only work 90%, so obviously we shouldn't try it."

u/lechimpanzeu 3d ago

Today no crime happened so it lessened. What is the meaning of lessen? Subjective, objective?

u/SnooHabits3911 3d ago

True. Seems the underlying theory is you’d eliminate crime if you eliminate suffering. You just replace one bad act with someone having the capacity to do more. Those people who are committing violent crimes and crimes of stealing do it because they are just shit heads.

u/Tatchkoma 3d ago

"Seems the underlying theory is you’d eliminate crime if you eliminate suffering."

It's not. This isn't some religious woo woo shit. It's not a theory. It's just facts.

It's basic sociological studies about poverty. Poverty is correlated to crime.

There's a reason why we can predict so much about a person based on just their zipcode.

It's really weird that you're trying so hard to be dismissive of that tweet when it's just a factual statement.

u/SnooHabits3911 3d ago

Is it because people prone to commit crime are in poverty? Or poverty is pushing them to commit crime?

u/WittyFix6553 3d ago

It would eliminate the vast amount of crime and violence.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

u/Used-Baby1199 3d ago

It would eliminate crime motivated by economic hardship.  It might decrease domestic violence and maybe drug addiction, but those stats would take about a generation to start showing evidence.   It would a cool social experiment if we could commit 30 year to it and then evaluate the results 

u/ul2006kevinb 3d ago

We already have. Most of Western Europe has significant social welfare programs which have significantly reduced their poverty. As a result they have some of the lowest crime rates in the world.

u/ratbastid 3d ago

And the alternative is to keep on the path we're on, which is pure hot dystopia.

u/SnooHabits3911 3d ago

That’s the hope anyways

u/ElMuchoQueso 3d ago

Giving people things doesn’t make them better people.

u/ExplanationNo8603 3d ago

Is that why the top 1% never comment crime? Someone might want to tell Trump, and Diddy

u/Trashinmyash 3d ago

When everything becomes perfect, people do things out of boredom. To create, we break things or out of perfection nothing can be made, because every process involves breaking something up.

It's not that we want perfection to be enemy, its that we want solice in our lives. To much solice creates boredom. Then there are those that thrive on chaos. Where's the balance? What is the balance?

u/LovelyLuna32684 3d ago

Doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it

u/SnooHabits3911 3d ago

I agree

u/WhyThisTimelineTho 3d ago

Why would you risk imprisonment for an incremental benefit? If you're making enough to support your family it's unlikely you're robbing the corner store for a few thousand dollars.

u/SnooHabits3911 3d ago

Evil gets replaced

u/ratbastid 3d ago

Some people think that there are people who WANT to do crimes. The counterargument is REALLY simple and REALLY logical.

Crime is risky. Criminals would rather not do it if they could do other things. But sometimes, after the risk/reward math, it's the best path out of a bad situation.

Improve the situation for those people, and the risk of crime makes it less attractive than doing things that aren't crime.

People aren't evil. That's a stupid/simple explanation we give to people's actions after the fact, excusing us from thinking too hard about real root causes and preventing us from having to confront making real change.

People ARE, however, CONSTANTLY calculating risk vs reward, and sometimes in our current dystopia, crime is the best outcome of that math.

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

If people were constantly calculating risk vs reward you would see things like mandatory minimum sentencing working 

u/ratbastid 3d ago

Sticks don't work as well as carrots.

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

Thats true but also still doesnt mean that people are constantly calculating risk vs reward, especially in an age when people are stretched so thin, with so few social safety nets and such limited access to mental healthcare.

u/ratbastid 3d ago

Riiiight, but... Improve their situation about all those things, and... What could happen?

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

Crime would be reduced, but my point is just that people dont work that way. Thats some grind culture kill yourself for work, all people need are incentives type logic that has been disproven.

u/ratbastid 3d ago

No. Dude. It's the exact opposite.

If people don't have to kill themselves just to survive, it takes ALL the pressure off that drives criminal behavior.

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

I think we’re talking about two different things

u/greenthumbgoody 3d ago

Common crimes like stealing, robbing, shoplifting would all greatly decrease. No one’s saying that ALL crime goes away….

u/SnooHabits3911 3d ago

People do that because they get a fix. You think these crimes are crimes of necessity? Like they are all Aladdin. Gotta eat to live gotta steal to eat…

u/INeedSomeTacoC 3d ago

Yea. 

I mean at my local Baskin Robbin’s I could pick up and walk off with the register. 

But the ice cream cakes freezer has like 80 locks and chains across it and the doors have been pulled off dozens of times. 

If people think they can take things with impunity, they will. It’s always been the case. 

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

That’s actually not the case at all, they don’t think about consequences when they’re at that point. You are a college kid I’m guessing? Not much real world experience?

u/INeedSomeTacoC 3d ago

Lmao. 

You seem like the one lacking real world experience. 

Reddit teenager, or adult child protected by your parent's life situation?

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

Do you have proof mandatory minimum sentences work?

u/INeedSomeTacoC 3d ago

You are good at Reddit. 

Insults to start, and then when they clap back move to putting words in their mouth because you’re too scared to argue against the actual statements they made. 

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

So no, no proof of mandatory minimum working. Got it.

u/INeedSomeTacoC 3d ago

Never claimed they did genius. 

Lmao, I see how you’ve also failed to provide proof of irrelevant shit. 

Why haven’t you proved the molecular weight of hydrogen?!! Huh?!? Huh?!?!

Lmao. 

How weak. 

u/Lopsided-Show2994 3d ago

That was easy.

u/INeedSomeTacoC 3d ago

We both feel that way, yes. 

Only one of us is definitely right about it though, lol. 

Probably the one of us that doesn’t have to lie about the other persons position to make their point. 

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