I think how she’s gentrifying goth and alternative culture and fetishising herself playing into those “goth mommy” weirdos while not actually being a goth
Ok, then let me make a more direct analogy. If I make videos where I cosplay as someone who is homeless, but actually pull in 500k a year. Would that make me homeless? I think people are pointing out that people like her are wearing the outfits for content, but not actually a part of the culture or living that lifestyle. It's a wardrobe change. I don't know this girl or her content, I assume it's an only fans model, but I'll be willing to bet she couldn't name the lead singer of Bauhaus, 5 type o negative songs, and when the cameras are off, dresses quite differently
Well if you have a home you're not homeless no, you're just dressing up like a homeless person.
But dressing up as a goth literally is what being a goth is. That's the extremely straightforward and clear cut point you seem to be missing. There is no definition of a goth BEYOND the dressing up. That's all it is.
That assumes it's a hobby, and is just dressing up in a style. I can dress up as a cowboy, and according to you because there are other requirements that makes me something other than a cowboy. Because of the job that is associated with that aesthetic. Goth is also an aesthetic. As is punk, hip hop, etc. Normally they are associated with a culture, music, and social circles. Have you ever heard of juggalos? They dress a specific way, typically have similar values, and tend to all be fans of a group called the insane clown posse. They have their own slang, events, etc. So in your worldview, anyone who puts on juggalos makeup, and clothes is a direct and exact representation of all that?
Yes. These are not exclusive groups with strict entry requirements. If you dress like a goth and say you're a goth, you're a goth. If you put on clown makeup and listen to ICP you're a juggalo. And if your identity boils down to being a part of one of these groups and gatekeeping others who want to, you're a clown.
But what if I post 1-3 videos a week where I dress as a goth, a juggalo, and a cowboy. But in my everyday life I wear a graphic tee, jeans, and airwalks? And I listen only to classical music.Then what am I? I'm someone who attempts to appeal to various aesthetics for some motivation. Clout, attention, money, etc.
And that's what she is doing. Playing dress up. A poser. You finally came to the conclusion. Sucks you blocked him like a coward. I'll DM him your poor reply.
I mean, if dressing like something means playing dress up, then yes. But in the context of this conversation, for example a cowboy was defined not by dressing as one, but by also russlin cattle. So if you run cattle etc, and wear typical cowboy gear, then you are a cowboy. But if you just dress as such, you are playing dress up. So in this context, someone who does not meet the other criteria, but wears the outfit is playing dress up. Like impersonating an officer, dressing like a hippy for Halloween even though you are a conservative who is against everything hippy. That's playing dress up.
Yeah. Someone who dresses like a goth and says they're a goth meets those requirements, no? Unless you're somehow proposing that saying you're a goth means you can't be one?
No, because being goth is more than just dressing alternatively. Its why goth is called a sub culture for a reason, and not a style. Its like punk, you can dress punk listen to punk music, but if you support the powers that be and religion, youre not actually a part of punk culture. Youd just posing as a punk, because you're not actually part of that sub culture/not adhering to the fundmental tenants behind the culture.
You're pretending like her streams didnt exist before her 'goth'ification. Either way, shes as much a poser, as the conservatives who play at being punk (while also supporting everything punks are actually against).
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u/Double-Truth1837 20h ago
I think how she’s gentrifying goth and alternative culture and fetishising herself playing into those “goth mommy” weirdos while not actually being a goth