r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 4d ago

Meme needing explanation Petah??

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u/SuperSaiyanBen 4d ago

I imagine this is how people felt when Football unveiled the forward pass lol

u/Muphrid15 4d ago

Vowel dumping has never been the best initial strategy though.

u/Ghostfish1309 4d ago

But it is a strategy. And since it isn’t even the best, according to you, why would anyone even be mad about it?

u/Muphrid15 4d ago

Some people seem to think any attempt to try to solve the game or play optimally (even if it's incorrect or flawed) is against the spirit of the game.

u/ScoutsOut389 4d ago

I just don’t understand that thinking. If the goal is to solve the puzzle, why not optimize for winning? Should I just throw a random 5 letter word out as my opener each time? JAZZY isn’t a great start.

u/DuckWarrior90 4d ago

My GF uses a all vowel openner, and I am more of the "Feel like this", I have guessed at the 1st try 3 times out of 500 , and that feels good.

u/Lartemplar 1d ago

I use the same word cause I fear the day I stop using said word is the day it will be the wordle

u/Grraaavvyyy 3d ago

There are no 5 letter words that are all vowels. 

u/art-blah-blah 11h ago

Bro that’s clearly not what that meant

u/Grraaavvyyy 6h ago

My GF uses a all vowel openner.

Poor grammar and spelling. But what else could this mean?

u/TheSeventhHussar 3d ago

The thinking goes along the lines of “optimizing isn’t fun, so anyone optimizing is just playing to win, and is a tryhard instead of just having a good time.”

And clearly, that makes it the ‘wrong’ way to play.

Personally, I don’t like optimizing, but I do enjoy beating the average score with a sub-optimal play style, so I appreciate those who do optimize.

u/Gwtheyrn 2d ago

Some people enjoy min/maxing.

u/Underdog_1337 3d ago

Yeah, but you’ll never get JAZZY in one guess unless you open with it every time 🤷🏻‍♂️

u/halfasleep90 3d ago

But you’ll never get AUDIO first guess unless you open with it every time, so it works out

u/Crazed_Chemist 4d ago

The individuals' answer is interesting, but unsatisfying. The "optimal" way to play requires the player know a list of options exists and using first picks based on said list. The vast majority of players might subconsciously know there is a list of options. They have absolutely no way of knowing what is on said list.

u/gmalivuk 3d ago

I doubt the list has changed much since the early days, when it was accessible through the page's source code. I suspect that version is still available in various places online.

u/longshanks_yvr 3d ago edited 3d ago

JAZZY is too easy, JUMBY is legal and much worse.

Edit: actually JAZZY is slightly worse thanks to the repeated letters, but nowhere near the worst possible legal guess: IMMIX!

u/gmalivuk 3d ago

I forget what it's called but there is (or at least once was) a version where you have to follow "hard mode" rules and go the longest you possibly can without getting the word.

I wrote a program to find the guess that would give the least information each turn.

u/bustahemo 3d ago

Because vowels don't tend to make it any easier to determine the word.

Statistically, you're better off without a vowel dump and instead look for common constanants as well.

SALET > CHOIR tend to lead to an answer faster than OUIJA, or those other common vowel dumps.

u/ReachPrestigious5048 3d ago

unironically yes

u/65rytg 3d ago

I use penis. Not even too bad of a starter

u/Dolthra 3d ago

If the goal is to solve the puzzle, why not optimize for winning?

Not that I have anything against people who play Wordle differently than me, but it's because the optimized beginning words essentially remove the whole puzzle. Unless they're specifically using a word to circumvent optimized words, almost anyone can complete the Wordle using the same three letter finding words to start out with. If you're the type to brag about getting the Wordle, and you don't use letter scouting words, it's probably annoying to encounter people who completed the puzzle using what you consider a "cheat code."

Of course, this stems mostly from people feeling like completing the Wordle at all is something to brag about.

u/numbersthen0987431 3d ago

Sure, why not?

I've gotten 1 word guesses by being random, and even 2 word guesses.

As long as your first word has 5 unique letters, there's very little difference between a "smart" opener and a random one.

Trying Adieu doesn't help you much for words that use the same letter 3 times (like araba or eerie).

u/definitelyTonyStark 3d ago

Depends on your version of fun. Me and my wife always play the wordle together every night. I’m an optimizer and love getting it in 2 or 3, but my wife goes off of vibes and often chooses a word that relates to something that happened in our day. My inclination is to optimize everything, and that may be more satisfying when it works, but honestly her way is actually funner overall. I also do think her way makes you a better player as we more unique situations and have to use more unique words. We also play on hard mode, which is when you have to use your yellow (in a new spot) or green letters instead of using 5 new letters.

We’re not trying to be competitive, though. Like if you really want to be #1 wordler, or just love using every ounce of strategy to get a few percentage points, by all means go for it and I mean that genuinely.

u/Lartemplar 1d ago

I have a coworker who has 100% and he rarely uses the same word. He scares me

u/ScoutsOut389 1d ago

I don’t do it much any more but I had like a 400 day streak at one point. I would go through patches where I was just trying to get it done and I would go optimized. Other times I would try to make it more challenging. I think I have 1 or 2 single word guesses and a handful of 2 words. Vast majority were 3.

u/Ashamed-Technology10 3d ago

I don’t care how people play the game, their games don’t affect me at all.

But I personally find playing the same word (or same two words) every day to just be a boring way to play the game.

Wordle is not hard and doesn’t require any serious min/ max strategies to solve the puzzles.

u/Content-Cricket4251 3d ago

The goal isn't to solve the puzzle, the goal is to have fun. I personally think playing exactly to the meta is a soulless unfun action that turns a daily fun challenge into a chore that must be completed. Every time I play, I think of a word that uses 1 or 2 vowels and different common consonants and go from there. 

I have no idea if its the best strategy or not because I think reading up on wordle strategy is lame. 

u/ScoutsOut389 3d ago

Okay but hear me out… what if different people enjoy it differently? Who gives a shit? My point is simply that it is weird to tell someone they are playing wordle wrong (not accusing you of that). If I go through and solve all the vertical clues in the crossword first before attempting the horizontals, is that wrong? It’s a damn newspaper puzzle. 😆

u/Cheetah_05 3d ago

anyone who does anything even slightly differently than me, or god forbid, enjoys something different from me, is the devil themselves

u/omarsoso 4d ago

Im intrigued. Whats the best strategy

u/Muphrid15 4d ago

There are many articles on this with slightly different methods and ideas, but the basic concept was that the words in the Wordle solution list and accepted guess list used to be known, so you could pretty much brute force solve it. A good first guess should, on average, yield as few remaining solutions as possible.

Words like ADIEU are good but not top-tier. There are some common words like RAISE, SLATE, CRANE that are better, and some obscure words like ROATE. Again, it depends on who you ask and when, since the solution list is now secret, but in general, eliminating some common consonants seems more powerful than four vowels. The U in ADIEU is not particularly valuable since almost no words end in U.

u/HotBeesInUrArea 3d ago

This still doesn't say what you think top tier is, just more "no that way is wrong."

u/Muphrid15 3d ago

Demonstrating that one strategy is the unequivocal best is hard.

Demonstrating that several are significantly better than vowels first is something you can have much more confidence in.

u/BrandosWorld4Life 3d ago

Not how I see it. That's actually completely backwards.

I dislike the vowel-rushing strategy because it's not smart or optimal. It's a small-brained way to play wordle.