Game Chat: 9/5 Athletics (56-86) @ Mariners (66-76) 6:40 PM

[u/Mariners_bot]

Athletics (56-86) @ Mariners (66-76)

First Pitch: 6:40 PM at T-Mobile Park

Team	Starter	TV	Radio
Athletics	Jeffrey Springs (3-13, 6.37 ERA)
Mariners	George Kirby (9-10, 4.19 ERA)

MLB	Fangraphs	Baseball Savant	Reddit Stream	Discord
Gameday	Game Graph	Strikezone Map	Live Comments	Discord

Line Score - Game Over

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E	LOB
ATH	0	1	1	2	0	0	0	2	0	6	9	0	3
SEA	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	2	6	0	7

Box Score

SEA		AB	R	H	RBI	BB	SO	BA
LF	Arozarena	3	0	1	0	1	1	.271
RF	Canzone	4	0	1	1	0	0	.254
CF	Rodríguez, J	4	0	0	0	0	1	.240
C	Raleigh	4	1	3	0	0	1	.182
1B	Naylor, J	4	0	0	0	0	0	.267
SS	Crawford, J	3	0	1	0	1	1	.225
DH	Ward, T	2	0	0	0	0	1	.224
DH	Montes	2	0	0	0	0	2	.231
2B	Young	2	1	0	0	1	1	.245
3B	Wilson, W	4	0	0	0	0	1	.202

SEA	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	P-S	ERA
Kirby	6.2	7	4	3	1	5	100-67	4.18
Rucker	1.1	2	2	2	0	2	20-14	6.88
Vargas	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	7-6	3.86

ATH		AB	R	H	RBI	BB	SO	BA
LF	Bolte	4	0	1	1	0	2	.274
1B	McNeil	4	0	1	0	0	1	.271
3B	Gelof	4	2	1	0	0	0	.260
RF	Butler, L	4	1	1	2	0	1	.233
C	Heim	3	0	0	0	1	1	.213
DH	Muncy	4	2	2	2	0	1	.229
2B	Walton	4	0	1	1	0	1	.271
SS	Williams	4	1	2	0	0	0	.277
CF	Clarke	4	0	0	0	0	0	.159

ATH	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	P-S	ERA
Springs	7.0	2	0	0	2	6	81-50	6.02
Hartlieb	1.0	2	1	1	0	2	22-15	5.09
Alvarado	1.0	2	1	1	1	1	24-14	4.21

Scoring Plays

Inning	Event	Score
T2	Max Muncy homers (9) on a fly ball to left center field.	0-1
T3	Henry Bolte doubles (13) on a ground ball to right fielder Dominic Canzone. Alika Williams scores.	0-2
T4	Max Muncy singles on a line drive to center fielder Julio Rodríguez. Zack Gelof scores.	0-3
T4	Donovan Walton doubles (13) on a line drive to right fielder Dominic Canzone. Max Muncy scores.	0-4
T8	Lawrence Butler homers (13) on a fly ball to left center field. Zack Gelof scores.	0-6
B8	Dominic Canzone singles on a ground ball to center fielder Denzel Clarke. Cole Young scores. Randy Arozarena to 2nd.	1-6
B9	Cole Young walks.	2-6

Highlights

Description	Length
George Kirby against the Athletics	0:08
Jeffrey Springs against the Mariners	0:11
Bullpen availability for Seattle, September 5 vs Athletics	0:09
Bullpen availability for Athletics, September 5 vs Mariners	0:09
Fielding alignment for Seattle, September 5 vs Athletics	0:11
Bench availability for Seattle, September 5 vs Athletics	0:08
Fielding alignment for Athletics, September 5 vs Mariners	0:11
Bench availability for Athletics, September 5 vs Mariners	0:08
Starting lineups for Athletics at Mariners - September 5, 2026	0:10
The distance behind Max Muncy's home run	0:12
Analyzing Max Muncy's home run through bat tracking	0:11
Breaking down George Kirby's pitches	0:04
Lawrence Butler: Home Run Statcast Analysis	0:13
Lawrence Butler's home run through bat tracking data	0:11
Breaking down Jeffrey Springs' pitches	0:04
Jeffrey Springs' outing against the Mariners	0:24
George Kirby strikes out Henry Bolte	0:06
Jeffrey Springs strikes out Julio Rodríguez	0:07
Max Muncy's solo home run (9)	0:30
Jeffrey Springs' K confirmed after ABS challenge	0:25
Henry Bolte's RBI double	0:15
Jeffrey Springs' K confirmed after ABS challenge	0:23
George Kirby picks off Henry Bolte at second base in the 3rd	0:28
Ball 1 confirmed after ABS challenge	0:21
Max Muncy's RBI single	0:18
Donovan Walton's RBI double	0:17
Zack Gelof steals second base in the 4th	0:19
Ball 1 overturned after ABS challenge	0:22
Jeffrey Springs' K confirmed after ABS challenge	0:21
Donovan Walton's leaping catch in the 4th	0:13
George Kirby’s five strikeouts	1:04
Lawrence Butler's two-run home run (13)	0:31
Jeffrey Springs K's six over seven scoreless innings	1:22
Dominic Canzone's RBI single	0:15
Cal Raleigh scores on a wild pitch	0:14

Decisions

Winning Pitcher	Losing Pitcher	Save
Springs (4-13, 6.02 ERA)	Kirby (9-11, 4.18 ERA)

Game ended at 9:08 PM.

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[u/AnnihilatedTyro]

Reminder: Your fellow fans are not your enemy. In your grief and anger over this season, do not resort to personal attacks on one another.

[u/CrowMur]

yeah, tough one tonight. Just, uh, you know…

[u/IshimaruKenta → u/CrowMur]

That's baseball.

[u/NumbDumbLuck]

Hey! Lay off Weston Wilson. I mean he’s nothing if not the very model of a modern major Mariner.

[u/Both-Resource6284]

It’s time for the dumpster fire bobblehead promo. Perhaps the space needle with a dumpster on top?

[u/jabbaji]

When they lost 5 games in a row at the end of last month I was predicting this team will not even reach 70 wins.

then this inconsistent team started winning and I thought man I was took quick to judge. Well I was not wrong.

[u/UnusualEmployment406]

our next stop....The Twilight Zone

[u/unabashedlybitchyz]

I didn't think I could feel this many emotions all at once... I am sad, furious, depressed, puzzled, disappointed... I chose this team, I love this team, I support this team, but I am gutted this year. Again. Mind you, I am what you may call a newbie for baseball having grown up in a different country, so I don't have the history of disappointment a lot of you may do. Love you all guys, let's keep suffering together. It may get easier. Mariner...

[u/AnnihilatedTyro]

Hard contact on a meatball. Shucks.

[u/RandomDude99353]

Thank God Weston Wilson sucks at baseball. The Mariners almost made me believe thare.

[u/guitarpizzachef → u/RandomDude99353]

If they would have come back to win that game tonight I would have never forgiven them.

[u/suhrFan]

Boos aren’t loud enough

[u/jabbaji]

Stanton I am once again asking you to sell the team.

I will buy it.

[u/IshimaruKenta → u/jabbaji]

$5 and not a penny more.

[u/priceisr1ght]

Can’t wait for the Seahawks game.

[u/CruzKunTroll]

rodden woulda walked at least

[u/shahi001]

first. pitch. swinging.

[u/_Elrond_Hubbard_]

It's Dipover

[u/Hot_Neighborhood_132 → u/_Elrond_Hubbard_]

You’re just now accepting this or coming to terms with this? LMAO

[u/No_Explanation_6161 → u/_Elrond_Hubbard_]

*Dipotover

[u/Raisinbrahms28]

Boo them out of the fucking stadium tonight.

[u/Scottsid]

9 pm is not staying up late. Staying up to 3 drinking at a bar feeling empty watching this game is.

[u/dokelyok → u/Scottsid]

Can I join you?

[u/LegendRazgriz]

WESTON WILSON LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONTRACT THE FRANCHISE

[u/Any_Mind]

Screw it im stepping in

[u/HiFiSciFiWiFiOhMy → u/Any_Mind]

Sir, your bat & helmet.

[u/krugerlive]

Great move Dan. Weston Wilson really had it tonight so smart move keeping him in.

[u/cbiggers]

Why did we not PH for Weston?

[u/KYKY132]

Boooooooo

[u/Morashtak]

https://giphy.com/gifs/853jNve3ljqrYrcSOK

[u/Serious_Safety4001]

Oh man. We suck

[u/Adventurous_Sink_782]

FUCK WESTON WILSON

[u/Oh-My-PhoKing]

BOOOOOOOOOO!!! 😡

[u/DoggyMcSqualls]

Boooooooo!!!!!

[u/Choice_Brilliant6691]

WESTON WILSON

AT THE PLATE

GROUND BALL OUT

[u/PoppaTitty]

No way Alvarado is worried about Weston Wilson

[u/_Elrond_Hubbard_]

I wonder many years until the Mariners start selling 2025 nostalgia 

[u/AndDontUForgetIt]

This is very dumb

[u/Serious_Safety4001]

https://giphy.com/gifs/24pVGTLjNkjxrZZp7m

[u/gardettos4life]

Who better to be in this position than Wilson? They better intentionally walk him.

[u/Zestyclose_Help1187]

Can make an argument Raleigh was the MVP last year. Without Judge, Yankees still a playoff team. Raleigh having a bad season has killed.

[u/Adventurous_Sink_782]

PINCH HIT EDGAR MARTINEZ OR ICHIRO RIGHT NOW

[u/priceisr1ght]

Aw shit, weston wilson

[u/krugerlive]

Pinch hit Pereda

[u/DoggyMcSqualls]

Weston Wilson lmao

[u/Any_Mind]

At least we got 1995 lmao

[u/CECWashington]

It was fun while it lasted. I still love my M’s.

[u/bassmasta918 → u/CECWashington]

I don’t.

[u/mr-devinity]

Anyone wonder if Cal getting hot again is specifically because he's written this team off and doesn't feel pressure to perform anymore?

[u/Grimble27 → u/mr-devinity]

As soon as we are mathematically eliminated we will win every game and have the best ERA and offense in baseball. 

[u/akhilles320]

Julio working hard to take the most disappointing trophy from Cal this year

[u/BigCountryBoah → u/akhilles320]

Id say he has been

[u/All_Thread]

We are the band playing on the Titanic aren't we

[u/PewPewallup253 → u/All_Thread]

I would agree. That makes the team the titanic.

[u/Tall-Election-7564]

Montes: 2 true outcomes.

[u/NumbDumbLuck → u/Tall-Election-7564]

The same two as Schrödinger’s 🐈 ?

[u/Choice_Brilliant6691 → u/Tall-Election-7564]

strikeout or popup?

[u/Tall-Election-7564 → u/Choice_Brilliant6691]

Swing and a miss or very hard hit ball in some direction (foul, up in the air, HR) 🤣

[u/iTzQUIL]

No memes today fellas. Seeing the score for the first time and I am SAD

[u/BabyGotVogelbach]

I would say these guys don't deserve to wear the uniform, but this roster is actually quite representative of the club's flaccid, Washington Generals-scented history.

[u/dokelyok]

Ok, the pinned mod comment about not attacking each other out of anger is making me laugh. I feel like we're all respectfully suffering together!

[u/driftingphotog → u/dokelyok]

Tell that to the people who get pissy if you imply you’ve paid money to go to a game.

The horror. Attending games for a team you like.

People can get weird on here.

[u/BabyGotVogelbach → u/dokelyok]

Invite a friend over to watch the Ms game, or go on Craigslist to hire someone to take turns punching each other in the nuts?

Nevermind: that's the same evening!

[u/Tweeedles → u/dokelyok]

Fuck your feelings!!!

/s, obviously, we’re all in the same sinking boat, friend.

[u/suhrFan]

How many come from behind wins do Ms have this year? Like 2?

[u/NumbDumbLuck]

The last time and only other time Springs had a scoreless start this season was April 9. That was also the only other game he’s gone 7 innings this year.

I haven’t done the math or looked it up, but at a glance it looks like he’s been averaging fewer than 5 innings and right about 5 runs per start since June 1.

[u/Nikolust]

Laz in 2 at bats has seen more pitches than naylor has all series

[u/DevynnKate]

Thank God football is back

[u/Choice_Brilliant6691 → u/DevynnKate]

Feel like the Seahawks have a better chance at the World Series than this team does

[u/Scottsid]

Montes looking like Pedro Cerrano.

[u/dearrichard → u/Scottsid]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Ph8g7YiHavF9VWM22j

[u/Apprehensive_Bid_773]

absolutely putrid vibes the entire year from the whole org. 50 years of failure defines this franchise

[u/furmat60]

“Tough one tonight” as mariners manager Dan Wilson says after getting swept by the 2nd WORST FUCKING TEAM IN BASEBALL

[u/dearrichard → u/furmat60]

4 game series

[u/furmat60 → u/dearrichard]

Lmfao you think we’re fucking winning tomorrow?

[u/dearrichard → u/furmat60]

nope, but

[u/Minedude33Reddit]

I don't care how bad JP is or isn't this season, I don't want to see him leave this team AT ALL

[u/Tashre → u/Minedude33Reddit]

So what you're saying is you want him to be our next manager.

[u/Minedude33Reddit → u/Tashre]

He'd probably do a MUCH better job than Dan ever could. He's played through the current-era of baseball, I'm sure he understands more about this team and how to actually play than Dan does.

[u/Significant_Name_961]

Maybe being an out of shape fatty isn’t actually good for a highly paid professional athlete 

[u/Otherwise_Howdy → u/Significant_Name_961]

The Naylor

[u/dearrichard → u/Significant_Name_961]

you had me in the first half

[u/krugerlive]

Ok, if the next 4 batters all get home runs we can walk this off.

[u/shahi001 → u/[deleted]]

what is happening here

[u/Tashre]

Cal going to do just enough down the stretch to make a lot of casual fans forget how big of a hand he had in the team being in the position they're in.

[u/baggiecurls]

Goldy is so over this team

[u/drrew76]

Cal is now only 20ish OPS points from Julio.

Julio is my favorite current player, but my god he's been ass for awhile now.

[u/mr-devinity → u/drrew76]

This is who he is, sadly. But hey, at least he can be a DJ!

[u/furmat60]

[u/dearrichard]

so, what is our magic number for getting eliminated for playoff contention?

i’m about to transition to fantasy football mode, so…

[u/Tall-Election-7564 → u/dearrichard]

Realistically? 0. Actually? 15.

[u/QueenOfCapulets → u/dearrichard]

its already over, we need to win 85%+ of the remaining games now.

[u/Droodforfood → u/QueenOfCapulets]

And that’s if the other teams go .500, right? We’re cooked

[u/Droodforfood]

Man WTF happened to Naylor?

[u/dearrichard → u/Droodforfood]

he got paid.

[u/mr-devinity → u/dearrichard]

So true. He's trying to speedrun the end of the season by making weak contact on the first pitch of every AB.

[u/Bubbanado420]

Death, taxes, and mariners not making the playoffs. See you all in 2028!

[u/Additional-Emu4550 → u/Bubbanado420]

27?

[u/CrowMur → u/Additional-Emu4550]

I’m gonna need a season off to believe in this team

[u/Bubbanado420 → u/Additional-Emu4550]

Lock out bud

[u/jon-brodsky → u/Bubbanado420]

We can hope

[u/DieTubameister]

Get Naylor off this team Jesus Christ

[u/Chantrak]

Josh “Beat The Traffic” Naylor trying to get out asap

[u/Pist0nH0nda]

[u/shahi001]

lol hey look, naylor first pitch swinging with risp

[u/choaticbroccoli]

Thank god Cal doubled to prevent Naylor's GIDP

[u/beefle]

Damn. So, I guess Cal's back.

[u/UnusualEmployment406]

Geno was the spark in our dugout last year.

[u/Adventurous_Sink_782]

JOSH WHY DO YOU HURT ME SO MUCH

[u/Tall-Election-7564]

At least Raleigh is on the mend and hot as anything recently.

Other than that, sigh. Onto next year.

[u/Zboomman22]

Cal is fixed, but what did it cost…

[u/BigCountryBoah]

The Naylor contract looks really bad rn

[u/LegendRazgriz]

Imagine if the other """""superstar""""" on this team was as tough on himself and determined to get better as Cal is.

[u/CrowMur → u/LegendRazgriz]

nope.

[u/gardettos4life]

Well at least Cal is back. Too bad everyone else is doodoocaca

[u/dokelyok → u/gardettos4life]

I think Dom is still pulling his weight. And Randy every other game or so.

[u/gardettos4life → u/dokelyok]

Yeah Dom and Randy are good boys too.

[u/guitarpizzachef]

Don't kill the messenger but to everyone posting about how we are getting swept by the As tonight, it's actually a 4 game series. So we get swept tomorrow.

[u/krugerlive]

3 hits for Cal is nice

[u/Waf3l]

I hate how Cal's choosing now to do well

[u/DoggyMcSqualls]

Cal will always be one of the good ones. Thanks for trying man.

[u/suhrFan]

On the bright side….

[u/priceisr1ght]

LETS GO CAL

[u/Additional-Emu4550]

Even a split at home to the As would’ve been a loss. This team is done

[u/CrowMur]

Let’s see a grand slam in a 6-5 loss!

[u/Indy443]

The Mariners aren't just losing to the A’s B team... they're being cleanly swept by a squad of guys whose jerseys still had the price tags on them. It takes real talent to play meaningful September baseball like you have a flight to Cancun boarding in the fifth inning.

[u/CrowMur → u/Indy443]

I hope the Astros clinch in Seattle

[u/AnotherPersonPerhaps]

I think the Jerry experiment has run its course and it is a failure.

Now is the time to burn it all down and start over. We have nothing to lose.

[u/pollbobby]

I genuinely dont know what they can do at this point... fire dan! sell the team!

[u/UnusualEmployment406]

I hope the Rangers win the division.

[u/dokelyok → u/UnusualEmployment406]

Me too. Which hurts to say.

[u/xdarkbrother]

Anyone got the sprint speed for Naylor down the 1st base line earlier? I’m flabbergasted by his laziness there. There’s no way he shouldn’t have been able to leg that out.

[u/AnotherPersonPerhaps → u/xdarkbrother]

This is the least of our problems and Naylor is one of the few players on the team that's been playing at a major league level. And for what?

His team doesn't give a fuck. His managers don't give a fuck. The owners don't give a fuck. Nobody gives a duck so why should he?

Naylor is not super fast. Nitpicking him right now is kinda like counting the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[u/xdarkbrother → u/AnotherPersonPerhaps]

I wish I could give the duck….

[u/MarinersHurtMe]

On a positive note, maybe the angels news and the fans turning on Stanton will make him want to sell?

[u/Raisinbrahms28 → u/MarinersHurtMe]

Lol

[u/MarinersHurtMe → u/Raisinbrahms28]

I am trying dog. I am trying so hard to not waterboard myself

[u/BigCountryBoah]

This team screams 2008

[u/EloquentRacer92]

hello every1 I do apologize for my confusing comments, I am in a confused state due to being sick and I thought Randy charged the mound when he turned around in one of his at bats so sorry yall:(

[u/MurrayInBocaRaton]

Blow it all up. I don’t care anymore.

[u/Sadpancake_03]

Alright we get to start over. You’ve got one player to keep on this team… who is it?

[u/Indy443 → u/Sadpancake_03]

Moose. next

[u/Waf3l → u/Sadpancake_03]

Cal, full stop.

[u/Raisinbrahms28 → u/Sadpancake_03]

It’s Cal. Most important position on the field and he’s a truly great player having a bad year.

[u/Morashtak → u/Sadpancake_03]

Do a Miami Dolphins and have a sit down with each player - Ask them if they prefer to stay or be traded.

If traded, get whatever you can, even if it's just minor league talent.

Start over young and cheap.

[u/Soft-Antelope-260 → u/Sadpancake_03]

It’s still Julio, right?

[u/shahi001 → u/Soft-Antelope-260]

lol absolutely no shot

[u/EloquentRacer92 → u/Sadpancake_03]

Shohei ohtani because is good

[u/EloquentRacer92 → u/EloquentRacer92]

wait he’s on royals never mind

[u/HollywoodAndDid]

I'm really appreciating how un-enthused Goldy sounds right now.

[u/guitarpizzachef → u/HollywoodAndDid]

He can't even rustle up the energy to tell a story about food.

[u/thrwaway070879]

Feels like there's a been a why even try attitude all season with this team.

[u/Adventurous_Sink_782]

COLE IS SO SOLID

[u/Oh-My-PhoKing]

Goldy wants to go home. “Two outs. Pardon me, one out.”

[u/EloquentRacer92 → u/Oh-My-PhoKing]

sa,e here same I am at home but watching mariners tv it teleports everyone who is watching to virtual game wheee 20k people play against 20k people so there are 2k first basemen trying to catch ball

[u/AnotherPersonPerhaps]

What an epic meltdown. This is some shameful shit

[u/Indy443]

Getting swept by the A’s junior varsity squad while fighting for a wild card is pure Mariners artistry. You just got thoroughly dismantled by a roster whose total payroll wouldn't cover the garlic fries budget at TMobile Park.

[u/Past-Independent-309 → u/Indy443]

I wish I could upvote this twice

[u/ItsATwist0ff]

It would sting a little bit less having a shit team if it the cost to experience a gams was less. Like let's have $4 beer nights or something. Let's get weird out there.

[u/Charming_Debate_1840 → u/ItsATwist0ff]

They should start paying us to go

[u/steveotheguide]

What if we just became a banana ball team for the last few weeks? Would anyone notice? I wanna see Cal twerk

[u/EloquentRacer92 → u/steveotheguide]

1 to,e I 2s at mariners game and they ran pre game game where we had to guess whose dumper it was and it was jpsso maybe we can have everyone tweak synchronously like when 30 men did 67 at once at Savannah bananas game

[u/EloquentRacer92 → u/EloquentRacer92]

1)no I am not high 2) I am a bit sick so sorry mate:(

[u/dokelyok → u/EloquentRacer92]

I think you might be a little high :)

[u/EloquentRacer92 → u/dokelyok]

no I am just confused mate I am sorry for inconvenience I do not think I shall comment no more

[u/dokelyok → u/EloquentRacer92]

Oh I was just teasing!!

[u/steveotheguide → u/EloquentRacer92]

‘S fine man I get it. I’m drunk watching this shit too

[u/ajax-tg]

Are the plastic jersey cups or metal cups free refills future games? Seeing them lying around left…

[u/shahi001 → u/ajax-tg]

you can refill whatever you want at the soda stations, they're out in the public for a reason

[u/sprucepitch → u/ajax-tg]

I've reused previous years cups that don't even match new designs and no one has stopped me

[u/QueenOfCapulets → u/ajax-tg]

I have brought them back to games and refilled them lol.

[u/AfternoonSpectator → u/ajax-tg]

Yes

[u/Indy443 → u/ajax-tg]

Nothing is free

[u/dietriotdoom]

I don't think this organization should have any untouchable players this offseason besides Sloan and a couple other minor leaguers. I think anyone on the major league roster should be open for discussions if another team calls and offers enough.

[u/Tough_Strength37]

Put the rainiers in at this point

[u/AnotherPersonPerhaps → u/Tough_Strength37]

Half of them are in the starting lineup already

[u/HollywoodAndDid]

Poor Rucker. Saw he was pitching for us and the first question I had was how many he's given up so far. 2 runs in 1.1 innings. It's just so predictable. Dude's home run derby material.

[u/Myselfamwar]

I hope they bring in Alvarado in the 9th. At least he is something fun to watch.

[u/outtatimedoc]

Brash is the winner of the week not having to come back this season

[u/dietriotdoom → u/outtatimedoc]

he's so lucky

[u/AnnihilatedTyro]

Strap Naylor and Julio to steel chairs in cold dungeons and force them to watch their own plate appearances on repeat for the next 5 months.

[u/dietriotdoom]

Julio can just start his vacation now if he wants. I don't think anyone will care or notice.

[u/bassmasta918]

And here comes Julio to spoil the party!

[u/SuperBowlXLIX]

Anyone else starting to feel concerned we may not make the playoffs this year

[u/DoggyMcSqualls → u/SuperBowlXLIX]

We could *totally* go 19-0 the rest of the way. And oh joy! We play the As in another series! 😂

[u/shahi001 → u/DoggyMcSqualls]

19-0 ain't even gonna be good enough LOL

[u/ajax-tg → u/SuperBowlXLIX]

No, not starting. I’m past that point. No way.

[u/beaglescoutman → u/SuperBowlXLIX]

The rest of this decade.

[u/catsrheaven]

i love julio but he is pissing me off

[u/cbiggers]

I don't hate Julio grounding out there. Better than a SO. It's an effort I guess