r/KeepMarvelTVCanon • u/WaferStick21 Enoch Coltrane • Jul 26 '26
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Finally, we'll have another Ghost Rider! But what does this news mean for Robbie Reyes and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?
As we saw earlier today at SDCC, they announced a new Ghost Rider movie starring Ryan Gosling. Do you think there is a risk of decanonizing Robbie and, consequently, the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. series?
Also, please share your thoughts on this news in the comments.
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u/LiquidLispyLizard Phil Coulson Jul 26 '26
Honestly, I don't think it's going to be an issue at all. There's a number of things to note (for all of this, I'm running with the assumption that Gosling's playing Blaze here like THR reported after the reveal).
The most important thing is that the Ghost Rider who passed the Spirit to Robbie was never named on-screen. Yes, at the time, he was clearly intended to be Johnny Blaze (the bullet hole in his head, the Quentin Carnival posters seen in the background a few times, the general order of succession for the Ghost Riders, both Clark Gregg and Gabriel Luna confirming this was the intention), but there's nothing present that 100% solidifies this on-screen. There is absolutely a scenario where Gosling's Blaze could very well actually fit with the established AoS canon (where he's already been Ghost Rider for a long and indeterminate amount of time, just with a break in between where the Spirit goes to Robbie for a bit), and since there's not much of anything that can really be contradicted with his 5-second AoS appearance, it could be seen as one continuous narrative. However, if this is something like an origin story where he becomes Ghost Rider in the present day for the first time, then all that needs to happen is that the on-screen unnamed Ghost Rider would need to remain that way and he simply just isn't Johnny Blaze since there's nothing 100% solidifying this. This point won't be a problem at all.
He could very well have a different design in the film as opposed to how all the Ghost Riders looked on AoS. Again, this isn't an issue either considering how we already had this with the Hulk. While they moved from Edward Norton to Mark Ruffalo and that's just a simple recast that shouldn't be given much thought, the actual Hulk model itself was changed drastically from The Incredible Hulk to The Avengers, going from far leaner and with a darker shade of green as his skin tone to being almost built like a gorilla with a lighter skin tone.
I don't think that Robbie Reyes' existence will present any issue either. Marvel Studios has done a great job with continuing to utilize established Marvel Television actors, even outside of the shows they reaffirmed canon. James D'Arcy's Edwin Jarvis has been around a number of times, and while in alternate universes, Anson Mount's Black Bolt was still used and both Robert and Tina Minoru had their same likenesses from Runaways as opposed to how they look in the comics. I don't think there's any guarantee Robbie will show up, or even be mentioned, but if he is, I do think Gabriel Luna would be playing him, especially because he's really hit his stride in recent years being on a big HBO show.
I will say outright that I don't subscribe to the "Secret Wars reboot" idea, for one because we know it's not a reboot at all (Feige has said this time and time again, and in my opinion, it's genuinely starting to look more and more like a simple reset meant to accommodate anything they want to bring into 616 rather than drastically altering things from the past; continuing straight on from Wakanda Forever by having T'Challa II as the next Black Panther helped solidify this for me today), and two, I don't care for the idea that we reach an "ending point" when it comes to the purpose of this sub. I know some have said that we can get to the end of Secret Wars and then it doesn't matter if things are contradicted because it's a "new universe" anyway, but I can't really get into that mindset, because it just doesn't seem like that's what they're going for. I think VisionQuest will be big in seeing if that rumored "small win for AoS" actually is something real. If it is, then I feel like they would absolutely honor what happened on AoS when going into the Ghost Rider movie, even if they don't largely tie into it, but that's something we'll just have to wait and see about in a few months.
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u/Myhtological Jul 27 '26
Dude they would’ve continued with Shuri if they weren’t also bring back older characters
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u/LiquidLispyLizard Phil Coulson Jul 27 '26
No offense, but I don't fully understand what you're trying to say, nor how it pertains to the subject.
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u/Myhtological Jul 27 '26
You said TChalla two makes you think the reboot won’t be that big. But if they’re not sticking with Shuri then they are being back other characters and recasting.
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u/LiquidLispyLizard Phil Coulson Jul 27 '26
T'Challa II is already an established character in the MCU and both Letitia Wright and Winston Duke were brought up on stage alongside David Jonsson for the Black Panther III section of the panel. Shuri is still in this, it's continuing the story of Wakanda Forever.
the reboot won’t be that big
It's not a reboot. It's just literally not described as a reboot at all, so it's not a matter of if it's big or not, it's just... not. I talked about Black Panther, but that's not even getting into the fact that everything else announced so far is either something new and never before seen in the MCU prior or a returning aspect. There hasn't been anything official about any sort of recasting of older characters.
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u/Myhtological Jul 27 '26
Shuri is likely dying. I doubt Marvel wants to keep that Antivaxxer terf idiot around.
This is recasting in everything but name. They trying to create a marvel universe with all characters available.
And Feige said he doesn’t use the word reboot because is a scary word.
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u/LiquidLispyLizard Phil Coulson Jul 27 '26
Shuri is likely dying.
If she is, she's still in Black Panther III, so again, they're still carrying everything from Wakanda Forever over, lmao.
This is recasting in everything but name.
Well... I mean, yeah? They've cast a grown-up T'Challa II to specifically let T'Challa's character remain as-is. I don't know what you're getting at with this.
They trying to create a marvel universe with all characters available.
They spend 20 years creating specific versions of all these characters throughout all these different stories and you think the next logical step in order to "create a Marvel Universe with all characters available" is to throw out two decades of hard work and start from scratch? No offense, but can you think this through for longer than 5 seconds?
And Feige said he doesn’t use the word reboot because is a scary word.
He also doesn't use it because it wouldn't be accurate for what they're doing.
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u/LiquidLispyLizard Phil Coulson Jul 27 '26
Hey, u/Myhtological. If you come to me and start arguing, it's a very bizarre decision to block me halfway through once you start throwing a temper tantrum since, you know, I can't reply to you if you block me.
Let me copy and paste the comment you replied to me here with in case you just want to go back and delete it or something.
They’re being back familiarity. This “reset” (does that make you feel better?) brings in new versions of olde characters while still letting the new characters continue.
Like I honestly don’t know how you consider yourself a marvel fan if the idea of all characters available at once doesn’t excite you.
Okay, you keep bringing up that they're bringing in new versions of old characters. Cool. Where was this confirmed? Do you have a source?
Okay, that's the first part. Now, for the second part, yes the idea of a Marvel universe with everyone around does excite me. Where did I say otherwise? I just flat-out don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you implying that you think they're doing a full-reboot? That's just factually isn't what's going on. They're very likely to do what the 2015 Secret Wars comic did and bring the Fantastic Four and Deadpool into the MCU timeline like they did with Miles Morales in the comics (with no changes to the timeline other than that), but there's too much being carried over already and they've gone to great lengths to introduce mutants ahead of any reset that it makes no sense to even do a reboot. Are you okay? You can unblock me and we can continue if you wish, but if not, I guess I'll see you later or something.
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u/Myhtological Jul 27 '26
They’re being back familiarity. This “reset” (does that make you feel better?) brings in new versions of olde characters while still letting the new characters continue.
Like I honestly don’t know how you consider yourself a marvel fan if the idea of all characters available at once doesn’t excite you.
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 26 '26
As long as they don't contradict the show, this is not a big deal.
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u/Squishy-Bandit12 Jul 26 '26
The show isn't canon
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 26 '26
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u/Squishy-Bandit12 Jul 26 '26
You cant keep something canon that was never canon
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 26 '26
Even if the show gets removed from canon, it will still always be wrong to say it was never canon.
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u/Unusual-Willow-5715 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Kevin Feige literally saying you need to watch the show to understand a plot point in AoU proves you wrong. The shows was (and still is) canon.
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u/Myhtological Jul 27 '26
Yeah well the movie also gave an explanation for that plot point without the tv show.
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u/Unusual-Willow-5715 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
That's not what we're talking about, is It? The original comment is straight up lying about they never being canon, when Feige has started multiple times it is, while never saying otherwise and even going as far as recommend the show to expand the knowledge of one of their movies.
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u/youarentodd Jul 27 '26
Ok but Ultron came out 11 years ago. I’m pretty sure the alleged decanonization came after that
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u/Unusual-Willow-5715 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
The alleged decanonization is senseless, people aré just placing an arbitrary date for when Feige words are not longer valid, because they... Just said so. From day 1, sincf the announcenment of AoS, Feige said the shows were canon and no one at Marvel said otherwise. Why does it matter that Age of Ultron came 11 years ago? Feige said the Helicarrier was explained in AoS and he has never said anything on the contrary.
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u/Icy_Recover_5415 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Thankfully it’ll come out after the Secret Wars reboot, so if it *does* contradict anything it won’t touch the original timeline. That said, I really hope he’s playing Danny Ketch and they make it work with the established timeline. Feige didn’t give a solid answer as to whether he’s playing Danny or Johnny so that gives me hope 🥹🥹
Edit: This isn’t something anyone should be worried about/using to say AOS isn’t canon until Secret Wars comes out. We don’t know how the MCU will be affected by it so
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u/KostisPat257 Jul 26 '26
There won't be a reboot. Just a soft reset. They'll be continuing the 616 stories.
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
A soft reset is also known as a soft reboot, which shockingly is still a reboot
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u/KostisPat257 Jul 26 '26
Feige has specifically said that he would like to avoid the word reboot, because of its implications and has used the wording "soft reset". He has also said that they won't break continuity. They are following the path laid out in the comics after Secret Wars, being that 616 continues, but with characters from the Ultimate Universe and other universes joining in like Miles Morales.
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
He is saying that from a purely marketing perspective because the word "reboot" makes people think that everything is being abandoned and starting again.
But assuming after Secret Wars they do a "soft reset" that mean characters like the X-Men and Fantastic Four live on, and have always been part of, the main universe, that is still by definition a reboot
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u/KostisPat257 Jul 26 '26
But mutants HAVE always been part of the main universe. Kamala Khan and Namor have already been introduced in the MCU as mutants, Jean Grey will soon make her debut in Brand New Day, and Wonder Man and Mr. Immortal seem like they may be mutants in the MCU.
They won't just say "the X-Men have always existed", they'll just naturally introduce them with an origin story.
Same with the FF. They'll most likely immigrate to the MCU, but it won't be like they were there forever.
This is not what happened with Miles after Secret Wars and it doesn't offer for good storytelling, especially for the mutants, so I really don't think they'll be doing something like this.
Which is why I'm saying this is not going to be a reboot at all.
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
I did not say mutants, i said the X-Men.
But even still, mutants have existed yes, but there is obviously no major worldwide conflict about mutants being oppressed and being treated sub-human because they are mutant. They NEED a reboot to make that work. The X-Men only work because mutants have been so poorly treated for decades before they form.
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u/KostisPat257 Jul 26 '26
They definitely do not need a reboot. They just need a reason for the mutants to become more common in the world, because as of now, it seems they're few and hidden.
I think the events of Brand New Day will be one of the inciting causes. And the hate will be spewed by the DODC. They can definitely find ways to do it naturally without having to reboot.
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
Even if mutants start to become more common now, the entire reason behind the X-Men is they've had decades of hate against mutants. That doesn't work if the X-Men form after like 1 year
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u/KostisPat257 Jul 26 '26
Maybe the hate isn't collective from the entire world, but the mutants have all faced discrimination and exclusion from their families/communities, which is why they find shelter at Xavier's school and form the X-Men. And then the collective hate starts building up due to government/DODC propaganda.
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u/BrendanFraserFan0 Jul 26 '26
He's playing Johnny Blaze. Maybe this takes before 2015 and all that.
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u/TheDirectorOfSHIELD Jul 26 '26
The only thing we know for sure was that Robbie was given the spirit by a Rider on a motorcycle. No name was given. Also, the lore presented in the show seemed fairly comic accurate so the only reason they would need to make a change would be if they wanted to specifically de-canonize AoS.
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u/ChrisXDXL Jul 27 '26
Agents of Shield currently sits as secondary canon (canon unless there's a contradiction) so while there is a worry about Robbie, Agents of Shield itself should be fine
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u/Classic-Ad-7069 Jul 26 '26
I hope they have Gosling as Ghost Rider taking place before that show. Cuz then you could have it as him passing it to Robbie in the show.
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u/QB8Young Jul 26 '26
What does this mean for the character who hasn't appeared on screen in a decade? 🤔
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u/an0m1n0us Jul 26 '26
He's playing either dan ketch, who hasn't been in live action or replacing cage as John blaze. I think a ghost rider team up is the goal...
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u/dreadnaucht Jul 27 '26
What if Ghost Rider takes place in the 80s or 90s? Then we could still do Robbie.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 28 '26
It can also be Johnny's origin story. The character that appears in AoS as Johnny was never mentioned to be him in the show. It was confirmed by the showrunners, who couldn't use the character
And even then, this could be him getting a second spirit of vengeance or saying he gave another one instead of his own to Robbie
Either way, the show can rest in peace
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u/zerosdomain Jul 28 '26
Nothing. First off this is after secret wars, so depending on story its a mesh of new universes so he could originally be from another universe. Secondly more than 1 rider can exist at a time. Thirdly for all we know this could be a prequel and could reveal he is the one to give the power to robbie or could be set modern day and robbie couldve given it to him. Not all answers are on screen.
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u/garhdo Jul 26 '26
Blaze was I'm AOS, and we don't know which rider Gosling is playing. He could be Johnny, or Danny
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u/GeekParadox_ Jul 26 '26
Is Agents of SHIELD still canon?
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
We don't know
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u/streamkid18 Jul 26 '26
He has stated many times over the years , what goes on in AOS is completely separate to the MCU , why don't you think the movies never referenced the show and vice versa
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
Show a single time Feige said "Agents of SHIELD is not canon"
None of the movies ever referenced the Netflix stuff, for years people argued the exact same because of that, until suddenly omg they were canon again
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u/streamkid18 Jul 26 '26
You easily look up "Kevin feige agents of shield" on Google and it will tell you all you need to know
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
Googled it, looked for 10 minutes and there was not a single example of him saying it
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u/streamkid18 Jul 26 '26
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26
Article from 2023 that claims anything not present in the timeline book is not canon and namedrops the Netflix shows specifically as part of that, which has already been proven false as the Netflix shows were confirmed to be canon.
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u/streamkid18 Jul 26 '26
Yes , they netflix shows but not the shows made by ike perlmutter which were inhumans and AOS
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u/Snoo_15594 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
The article quite literally states
By Feige’s own admission, that would make it seem that everything under the Marvel label is technically canon to the brand. As a part of the studio’s “Sacred Timeline,” however, is only things produced by Marvel Studios. Judging by that, anything from ABC’s Agents of SHIELD and Inhumans to Netflix’s Daredevil and DefendersVerse, to Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, and beyond are not a part of the highly-popular timeline of the MCU.
So if you want to use this article as "proof" that Agents of SHIELD is not canon you also have to say Daredevil isn't canon either.
Edit: and they blocked me
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 26 '26
Perlmutter made the Netflix shows too. And also Agent Carter, which Endgame went out of its way to reference. And also Cloak & Dagger, which Wonder Man went out of its way to reference earlier this year.
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u/streamkid18 Jul 26 '26
Its not , feige stated it multiple times
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u/GeekParadox_ Jul 26 '26
But the Darkhold appears in that show and in Wandavision but it’s like completely different
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 26 '26
It behaves the same, only the cover is different, and AoS showed that the cover could change appearance anyway.
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u/SPOBrien Jul 26 '26
I will be pleased if they somehow tie in Reyes, but I can almost guarantee they won't. There are plot points from the movies and Disney+ shows that they've forgotten about and abandoned, I can promise you that Feige isn't even thinking about how to make AoS tie in.
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u/decitronal Jul 26 '26
The Ghost Rider movie is coming out in 2028 which means it's going to post-Secret Wars reboot
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u/dhonayya20 Jul 26 '26
Nothing to say that it cant be the Ghost Rider we saw in Agents of Shield
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 26 '26
Don't know why you were downvoted. There was a second GR in the show confirmed to be Johnny Blaze. It could be the same character
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u/Existing-Bullfrog675 Jul 26 '26
Considering the movie is coming after secret wars,, AoS might not be canon in the rebooted universe
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u/Several-Ad-9897 Jul 26 '26
One word: Multiverse. Pretty sure at this point Agents of SHIELD happened in an universe where everything from the infinity saga happened, but it's not the main universe we know.
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u/whitecatsup Jul 26 '26
Feel like all of this will go away post secret wars as a soft reboot so Robbie is just gone way of the past MCU and now this is our Ghost Rider.
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u/Silent_Anxiety4828 Jul 26 '26
agent of shield is over and we haven’t seen Reyes in what? 10 years? It means nothing cause we will never see those characters again
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u/The_Grunge_Sage Jul 26 '26
I’m not allowing myself to think that anything is canon after Secret Wars
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u/trevordeal Jul 27 '26
Agents of Shield pulled from MCU but MCU never pulled from AoS. It was a one direction shared world.
There are plenty of retcons from the show that make this not something Kevin Feige cares about. To him that show was non-canon.
Time travel was done in a non-MCU canon way, post Infinity War was done in a non-MCU way and I’m sure a lot of smaller things.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 28 '26
Kevin never said it was not canon. And if it wasn't, there would not be the amount of references to it that there are in recent projects
What If showing a currently shield owned quinjet in 2018. The I was there book written by a shield agent that appeared in Ms Marvel. She-Hulk havin files about shield. The newspaper about Cybertek events from AoS s1 in Daredevil Born Again, and the poster of the fight between Matt's father and Carl Creel.
And now, the rumoured appearances in VisionQuest. Which I don't think will happen, but if they do, it will be undeniable that the show isn't canon
And in terms of the other shows. What If showed Howard's Hollywood studios as part of the Sacred Timeline. Which canonizes Ageng Carter. Plus, the actor of Jarvis appearing both in Endgame and VisionQuest
Black Bolt variant from E-838 being played by the same actor as in the show. And Medusa variant from a branched timeline in What If. Just like the Ghost Riders variants shown there. And if Sadie Sink ends up being Jean, Storm's appearance in the show can be tied to 616 again
And the dumpster that gave Doorman his darkforce powers is Roxxon's property. Which ties to the darkforce are unique to the mcu's Cloak & Dagger
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u/Inverse_Delta Jul 27 '26
Most of the comments here are either overlooking or ignoring that Agents of Shield isn't MCU canon.
It's not on the "Sacred Timeline" list of canon MCU properties. There's contradictions in it that can't quite be reconciled in the MCU.
While the MCU is canon to AoS, AoS isn't canon to the MCU. This news means nothing for Robbie Reyes or AoS because as far as the MCU is concerned, neither exists in the same canon this new Ghost Rider.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 28 '26
Neither were Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Punisher and The Defenders. Yet they changed it
And there are no contradictions with the mcu. Time travel from s5 and 7 can be explained with Endgame rules
And finally, there are lots of references to AoSin recent projects. As there are for the other shows, especially Agent Carter and Inhumans (which if one is canon, the rest are too), and Cloak & Dagger
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u/Inverse_Delta Jul 28 '26
Keyword, were.
Past tense. They are now. AoS, and the other mentioned shows, to date, are not, and that's the only relevant point here to be made. Could be doesn't matter if it isn't.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 28 '26
And who says the same thing that happened to the Netflix shows won't happen to the rest? I don't understand why people deny it, it's just adding 6 more shows and that's it. Kevin didn't say they weren't canon
The shows were made as canon, with AoU tying up with AoS very nicely
And there are 0 contradictions
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u/Inverse_Delta Jul 28 '26
I'm not saying it won't. I'm saying it hasn't. At this point in time, whether it might or not is irrelevant. It's not currently canon, and that's the only fact that matters right now.
If that changes in future, then at that point it'll matter, but right now, the fact they could become canon in the future doesn't change that right now, they aren't.
Kevin didn't say they weren't canon because he didn't have to. Marvel has made a point to announce that the Sacred Timeline is the official canonicity of the MCU to put the discussion to rest. Trying to argue or complain against it is moot point.
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u/iamahandsoapmain Jul 27 '26
Agents of shield has never been part of the mainstream MCU timeline iirc
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u/Brief_Light Jul 26 '26
Bye. Worst iteration of the character. Watered down, superherofied, no Zarathos. He just fed up in a street race and has a spooky uncle.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 26 '26
That's like, his character in the comics...
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u/Brief_Light Jul 26 '26
No shit. What didn't you understand from my statement? Reyes is the worst iteration of the character...
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u/SealTeamEH Jul 26 '26
Come on, we all know the movie side of marvel never considered agents of shield cannon.
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u/ToughFox4479 Jul 26 '26
Nothing? After secret wars they will soft reboot the mcu, so more chance for these characters to co exist in the same universe
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u/Phy5_3d Jul 26 '26
Agents of SHIELD ended quite some time ago and has already been confirmed to not be officially part of the MCU
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u/-FriendoftheDrow- Jul 26 '26
I mean AoS went off the rails when a slaver joined the group and then whined that Daisy still remembered that time he sold her into slavery, but Robbie was great and it’s a shame his show never happened.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 26 '26
Wow. Calling Deke an enslaver is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jul 26 '26
Given he sold Quake into slavery I’m not sure what you expected.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 26 '26
In an enslaved society where the punishment for anything is being killed or forced to do a purge, he did what he had to survive. Don't say you wouldn't do the same. Plus, Quake and the rest killed krees, hid an inhuman (causing the deaths of many, many people, which they don't even care about or take responsability for) and tried to steal from the Kree. We saw the consequences, Deke just tried to get as few people killed as he could.
And Daisy ended up where she wanted, with Simmons a d the rest of the inhumans. And Deke went to help her later
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Saying “it’s not slavery because slavery happens in this society” is monumentally stupid.
Romanticizing slavery is also a choice on your part.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 26 '26
Everyone in that society does it with the inhumans because if not, they die. The villains there are the kree, not the humans
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jul 26 '26
I get it - you like the character and romanticize him selling a person into slavery. You don’t need to hammer it home.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 26 '26
I don't even like the character, idk what you mean
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jul 26 '26
You’re romanticizing slavery for a character you don’t like? Okay.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 26 '26
Do you know what romanticizing means? Guess every person in the lighthouse deserves to die due to either selling inhumans or killing each other in the purge
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 26 '26
He was himself also a slave.
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jul 27 '26
No, he was not.
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
All of the humans in the future Lighthouse were slaves.
EDIT: u/matronmotheroflolth pulled the coward's reply-&-block, so I have to respond here:
No, they weren’t slaves just because you want to display Deke selling someone into slavery.
It has nothing to do with what I want; it's the facts of the story. You could completely remove Deke from the show, & that wouldn't change the fact that the Kree had enslaved everyone in the Lighthouse.
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
No, they weren’t all slaves just because you want to romanticize Deke selling someone into slavery.
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Jul 27 '26
Have you... seen the show? Like, at all? What part of being fed like animals, having trackers that decide how much worth you are, being educated only in one stuff to not get too smart, being forced to kill other people if you are not worth much and being infertile because the kree don't allow you to be a parent unless they select you is not being a slave?
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jul 27 '26
You made it pretty clear that you’re a Deke fanboy. I don’t need more posts from you romanticizing slavery.
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u/Aerolithe_Lion Jul 26 '26
Didn’t we already have a separate MCU Mockingbird to the show?
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u/finetuneit80 Jul 26 '26
No, we had Bobbi Morse as Mockingbird in AOS. We had Laura Barton in Hawkeye as Agent 19, but she’s never referred to as Mockingbird. Mockingbird (Morse) in the comics was Agent 19, but they’ve seemingly respected her existence in AOS by not giving Laura the Mockingbird title (and Bobbi in AOS never went by Agent 19).
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u/CaptHayfever Jul 26 '26
Also, codenames/numbers can be reused. Laura Barton would have retired from SHIELD in like 2002 when her first kid was born, and the earliest we ever see Bobbi Morse is in flashbacks set in spring 2014.
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u/Pretend-Meaning-1536 Jul 26 '26
it’s not decanoning if at some point Robbie passed it on but I do hope they acknowledge him in the film