In case you haven't been in the loop there's been yet another aos rumor tieing to visionquest and according to alex perez aida is the connection to the show this could lead to an interesting discussion between her and ultron how they were both created to serve the same purpose then rebelling and wanting to break free and create a human body some interesting possibilities alex perez visionquest connection agents of shield

I’ve always found the community's double standard regarding what is and isn't MCU canon to be curious, especially when the argument centers on Thanos's Snap. Many keep saying that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (AoS) was left out of the canon because, in Season 6 (which takes place a year after Infinity War), no one mentions the Blip. Yet, we conveniently overlook the fact that the exact same thing happened with the Netflix series. Take The Punisher (Season 2), for instance: the main plot concludes right before the Snap (May 2018), and the epilogue jumps forward "three months later" (August 2018). Right as the Blip is underway, we see Madani calmly working at the CIA and Frank Castle gunning down gangs in a warehouse. The world doesn't look bleak or chaotic, and no one mentions that half the population is missing. If we give Frank Castle a pass—understanding that Marvel Television and Marvel Studios weren't coordinating their scripts behind the scenes back then—why isn't AoS held to the same standard? Both productions suffered from that exact same corporate disconnect. To me, dismissing AoS or the Netflix shows as "non-canon" over this detail makes no sense. In fact, based on official confirmations, the only series from the Marvel TV era that is genuinely not canon is Helstrom; the showrunner himself (Paul Zbyszewski) confirmed before its premiere that the series was completely independent of MCU continuity—even removing the Marvel logo from its promotional material. Why do you think the community is so strict about the timeline gap in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. but completely turns a blind eye to the one in The Punisher? Let me know what you think.

Suppose Marvel announced they were releasing a box set that contained the following:

Agents of SHIELD (7 seasons)

Agent Carter (2 seasons)

Inhumans

Cloak and Dagger (2 seasons)

Runaways (3 seasons)

Unaired pilot for Marvel's Most Wanted

Unaired pilot for New Warriors

Some already existing behind the scenes interviews, etc. that they would put on that disc to fill the space with the unaired pilots

Total discs would be somewhere between 42 and 46, if I'm doing my math right. If you want to answer the question two ways, both with a cheap "just the discs" version and a prestige artbook one with other features, feel free.

I'm surprised I haven't seen any posts about this on here, but in "What If" season 3, there's an episode called "Agatha Goes to Hollywood." Now I haven't seen this episode, but it seems to be directly tied to the events of "Agent Carter" season 2.

According to the synopsis/wiki, Agatha Harkness, in 1947, goes to Hollywood to star in a Stark Pictures film. Guess which show established that Stark Pictures existed and was founded in/around 1947? Agent Carter!

I've always been firmly on the side of all the shows being canon but this seems to go out of its way to confirm that Agent Carter did happen, and it was released as recently as 2024, long after the canon debate popped up.

I always love when they call back to any of the remaining 6 old Marvel TV shows to help tie them into the larger universe even more, and James D'Arcy's always just a delight in general. I'm hopeful that we'll get to see the rumored small AoS tie-in as well, but even if it doesn't happen, we at least get more Jarvis/J.A.R.V.I.S. in the MCU, so I'm really excited for this.

Some common misinformation I keep seeing about AOS everywhere

I actually think many people arguing that AOS is non-canon online are being disingenuous and don’t understand the fundamental issue with the show being deemed non-canon by the fans. 

I saw a complete marvel timeline video relayed by Miss Minutes on TikTok that someone had made that included literally everything including AOS. One of the comments I saw that had a lot of engagement was basically saying “you can’t get me to watch AOS because it’s non-canon”. 

This demonstrates the issue I have with people’s arguments saying it shouldn’t matter whether the show is canon or not. The show is probably my favourite marvel project I have consumed and I want people to experience it. The word canon is being used to determine whether people should or should not watch it and that is what I have an issue with. Yes in a doomsday rewatch you probably don’t need to see it. But if you have never seen the show, you absolutely should try it at least through till around 18 episodes into season 1. People are actively pushing people away from the show and implying that the quality of the show is based on its canon status. 

Comments I see a lot:

The show was confirmed not-canon

The facts are that no statement has ever been made saying the show or any season of the show is not canon. When people are pushed on this point they bring up the shows omission from the timeline book which is a deflection because the book never claimed to be a determiner of canon. 

The show is canon because everything is canon now through the multiverse

This is also disingenuous because it makes the assumption that the show was decanonised in the first place. It also doesn’t deal with a lot of the core continuity issues that are brought up as issues because if you thought they were issues before, they still would be in the new universe.

The first four or five seasons are canon and then the timeline switches

I see this comment in almost every thread about the show and it is just wrong. While I understand the desire to move seasons 6 and 7 into alternate timelines due to the lack of acknowledgment of the snap, the show on its own just does not support this. If you watched the show on its own outside the context of the MCU, nobody would assume this to be the case. Either it all is canon or none of it is. If it was to be confirmed a different timeline you could headcanon your way into having the first few seasons being the same in the MCU but that would be a headcanon and this needs to be acknowledged when talking about it. What makes this confusing as well is the timeline switching and time travel that does actually occur in seasons 5-7 and this is the main reason I really wish people would stop using this logic because there are people are conflating this fact with the theory that the show splits off from the MCU in S6-7. The time travel in S5 can’t result in a branch either because then the MCU earth would break apart during the events of infinity war.

There are too many contradictions

I maintain that the only so called contradiction that is a hurdle is the lack of acknowledgement of the snap/blip in season 6. There are also multiple timeline reasons why it can’t be pushed earlier before the snap which is another thing I see said by some people. This is still not a continuity issue though, there is no contradiction. It is a thematic issue though and overall MCU writing cohesion issue in the sense that it would be better for any stories taking place during that period to show what the world would realistically be like in that scenario. Marvel studios projects that have had flashbacks during the blip have not even really stuck to this standard either though (Echo, Moon Knight, Ironheart). 

Other contradictions that I commonly see referenced:

• Hive is an Avengers level threat, why doesn’t Coulson call the Avengers:

  • this argument fails to take into consideration that it would be an issue in the show whether the show is canon or not because the Avengers still exist and we know that their history is mostly the same at least up until Civil War which is the time when SHIELD is dealing with Hive. With Ghost Rider they don’t need help because they deal with it themselves and then during season 5 the Avengers are split up and on the run and then they are dealing with Thanos.
  • Throughout the Marvel Studios MCU there are constant examples where this would apply as well and while you might agree that those are also problems, you need to be consistent about how you apply it. Nobody would say Moon Knight is not canon because he has only appeared on his show and probably won’t be showing up again for a while. Nobody would say Captain Marvel is non-canon because she was retconned into the past history of the MCU and there were multiple places where she did not show up to help throughout all the movies that came before. You might say there is an easy explanation for her absence being that she is in space somewhere but I would raise that you can just as easily find explanations for the AOS examples as well. 

• How is there an Inhuman outbreak without that being seen in the MCU proper.

  • I have never understood this argument as season 3 takes place over a period of time and the ATCU and SHIELD deal with the Inhumans on the show. Now with shows like She-Hulk, Wonderman and Ironheart we see that the MCU is a living breathing world off-screen. There are enhanced individuals off-screen that exist that we don’t always hear about or see.
  • Phase 4 and 5 introduce many characters and plot lines we may never see again or that will likely never be referenced in the films. These issues are brought up as writing issues and issues with the MCU as a whole but are never used to claim these shows are non-canon. There needs to be some consistency applied.

• Why isn’t SHIELD been referenced after season 4 or after season 7

  • Firstly it actually has been referenced in extended material. There was a SHIELD agent at the battle of earth and the night monkey suit is created by SHIELD. There was a reference to Coulson post Avengers in the Wakanda files. The smithsonian exhibit in TFatWS confirms SHIELD post-2014 and the 100-objects reference book confirms the Sokovia Accords were enforced by SHIELD, a group that should be dismantled by the time the battle of Sokovia even happened. 
  • Not to mention the fact that the organisation of SWORD only appeared in WandaVision and then has never appeared again. They even went out of their way to make Nick Fury’s organisation in the Marvels SABER.

• Mockingbird and the Darkhold

  • These are some of the most commonly brought up contradictions but they shouldn’t be because they are stupid. 
  • The Darkhold example was a genuine question after WandaVision but we see in Multiverse of Madness that the Darkhold was copied from the inscriptions in Wundagore. They are clearly just two different copies. The book in MOM is even called a copy. 
  • There really is no reason why Bobbi and Laura cannot co-exist and Laura’s history as a SHIELD agent should be intact in the AOS continuity anyway. Neither has been called mockingbird on-screen and there is literally endless possibilities to explain it anyway. Laura could be the original mockingbird before she had kids and then Bobbi could have picked up the mantle after that. 

The facts are It does seem like there was a consideration to not completely consider the original Netflix Daredevil pre the overhaul of the show but there was never confirmation that this was going to be a full reboot but rather a soft-reboot. Even if they considered ignoring it, there was never a de-canonisation officially.

It’s possible that the upcoming Ghost Rider film may finally decanonise the show.

However people need to be consistent and only talk about the actual reasons that the show may not be canon and yes it does matter because the falsehoods that are being pushed out are causing people to not want to watch the show to begin with. I just think people need to be more consistent regardless of their opinions 

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Ever since Disney has brought Marvel I have always wondered WHEN? When will we be getting that big crossover special that has the iconic cast of Disney characters meeting the Superheroes and Super Villains of the Marvel Universe?

Not little short crossovers like the Jessie and Spider-man one (Ultimate version mind you) Nor the Phenais and Ferb one, but an actual honest Disney and Marvel crossover where they brought back the character's original voices from the films for this one type of special.

I am also asking this question given the backlash both Disney and Marvel have received due to their film output as of late and thought maybe a crossover like this could work, right?

As fans of Disney and Marvel....WHEN do you think this will happen?

Rosario Dawson said yesterday at GalaxyCon she shot a Claire Temple scene for Brand New Day and it was cut. Would have been another huge win for us KeepMarvelTV canon folks.

As we saw earlier today at SDCC, they announced a new Ghost Rider movie starring Ryan Gosling. Do you think there is a risk of decanonizing Robbie and, consequently, the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. series?

Also, please share your thoughts on this news in the comments.

The only person that knows that coleson was still alive was tony and how he found out was weeks before the events of captian America civil war

Nick fury told tony that coleson was alive

The reason why they never helped in Infinity war is because they were fighting Graviton and by the time they were finished Thanos already snapped his fingers

And the reason why no one knew that the inhumans existed was because Wong did a memory erasing spell to make the people forget inhumans existed

And they couldn't help in endgame because by they were already doing All of the time travel

Top Left (The Falcon And The Winter Soldier): Reference to S.H.I.E.L.D.'s continued existence circa 2016.

Top Right (Ms. Marvel): Promotional Banner for the book "I Was There" which was written by a fictional current S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent who was there at the Battle for Earth in 2023.

Bottom Left (Daredevil: Born Again S2): "Cybertek Settles" newspaper referencing Cybertek from AoS S1. Same thing was in the original Daredevil.

Bomttom Right (Daredevil: Born Again S2): "Creel vs. Murdock" poster, referencing Carl Creel from AoS S2-5. Same thing was in the original Daredevil.

It is known that Marvel Television had planned to create another mini-universe in the style of the Defenders Saga, but this time with supernatural characters, which would be called "Adventure Into Fear". In 2019, it was announced that two series were in development: Helstrom and Ghost Rider. Of these, only Helstrom was completed, as Marvel Studios decided to continue production instead of simply canceling it, but the Ghost Rider series was eventually cancelled due to creative differences.

Although many people don't know that Marvel had already planned the other two characters to star in the Adventure Into Fear saga, which are Glyph and N'Kantu: The Living Mummy. It is also known that Lilith, the Mother of All Demons, was going to be the main villain of the saga. This is known thanks to an interview with Gabriel Luna, who shared details about Marvel's plans for the future of his character. It is also known that the crossover project where they would all come together would be called Spirits Of Vengeance, because Marvel registered that brand name along with Glyph.

To this day, I still wonder why Marvel concluded by choosing two such unknown characters as Glyph and N'Kantu to star in their own series. Don't get me wrong, I researched their comic book appearances, and with a good script they could have done great things with both of them, but, strangely, Marvel chose them instead of other more well-known characters like Blade, Moon Knight, or Man-Thing. Although perhaps they did it with the intention of giving them relevance, as they did with Guardians Of The Galaxy.

However, based on the personalities of the characters, I personally think it would have been a very fun group to see on screen:

Daimon and Ana Helstrom: Two demon-human hybrid siblings determined to wipe out the demons.

Robbie Reyes / Ghost Rider: A man possessed by the Spirit Of Vengeance, which leads him to exile himself to El Paso.

Nadeen Hassan / Glyph: A smart young Egyptian-American woman from Brooklyn who can summon Egyptian spirits and has a mental connection with her twin brother, who takes advantage of her for his own evil purposes.

N'Kantu, The Living Mummy: A king of an ancient Egyptian tribe who was mummified and locked away alive for several millennia who awoke in the modern era.

But hey, things happen for a reason. Maybe in Phase 7 we'll finally get a good supernatural saga. I hope so.

Do you think this saga would have been successful if it had been fully developed? How would you have done it? I'd love to read your comments.

I recently created a MCU Timeline with all the crossovers and planned crossovers in Doomsday. I need feedback, errors, and help to make it 100% canon

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUdR2BpdU02AJKtKp7Z81vFVY8ardqdvbIgBX3kaCPg/edit?gid=0#gid=0

I hope Daisy Johnson and coleson came back