r/IndianHistory • u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire • 3d ago
Visual My interpretation of the Region of India based on culture, history and geography.
It's a bit amateurish, so I'd appreciate reviews and changes.
Edit: Looking at the comments, I'd just like to clarify that the boundaries depict regions with cultural continuity, I have not at any point implied that these regions have the same culture.
Edit #2: It seems many people do not understand the difference between cultural continuity and cultural similarity.
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u/NoComments9720 3d ago
perfectly wrong when it comes to telugu region
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
Please correct me.
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u/NoComments9720 3d ago edited 3d ago
the telangana culture is different from andhra is bcoz of the nizami influence and western telangana was influenced by kannada culture (basaveshwara). northern central parts of telangana have population of banjara or lambadi people and many other tribes. but in andhra u find these people very few. also the kongu nadu, morasu nadu, thondai nadu. are different.
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u/GummadiKai 3d ago
Only urban Telangana is visibly influenced by Nizams, The core interior Telangana is not very Nizam influenced (Mancherial, Mulugu, Kothagudem etc)
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u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 Dakshinapatha Resident 3d ago
It is correct. Some Andhra ppl don't like that fact. TG culture is more inward Deccan than Coastal Andhra one.
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u/TeluguJohnWickBBC 3d ago
Telangana is far more similar to Andhra culturally than it is to Maharastra and Karnataka.
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u/GummadiKai 3d ago
idk why are you getting downvoted, Telangana is irrefutably Telugu in its core and all three Telugu regions are more similar to each other culturally than another other region
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u/Specialist_River12 2d ago
Yeah as a Telangana person I feel more closer to Andhra than any other State.
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u/United-Bad-Tax1984 3d ago
I don't think so, Andhra and parts of Karnataka are very sanskritized and Vaishnava leaning.
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u/Evil-Testicles 2d ago
Nope.... Karnataka is shiaivite leaning.
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u/United-Bad-Tax1984 2d ago
Overall Karnataka yes but some parts are Vaishnavas. Like how overall TN is Shaiva but there are major pockets of Vaishnavas.
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u/NoComments9720 3d ago
i said it's incorrect, i didn't say andhra and telangana are same. even inclusion of maharashtra and telangana is totally wrong. and rayalaseema districts of andhra are 90% similar to costal andhra and completely different from karnataka
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u/Majestic_Radio_1937 1d ago
Nope, Telangana born and raised and I will still say we are closer to Andhra than Maharashtra.
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u/Specialist_River12 2d ago
I disagree. Are you from Telangana, because most of us will say Andhra is the closest state even inspite of the separation.
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u/Evil-Testicles 3d ago
Telugu region was influenced more by Kannada culture than tamil culture
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
Which is why I have included Rāyalaseema as a part of Southern Deccan and Telangāna under North Deccan.
The Northern Deccan boundaries are influenced by the historical presence of the Chālukyas in the region, and the continuity that the region has w.r.t local deities, cuisine, festivals, and the common new year as per Śaka calendar. (Gudi Pādwā/Ugadi).
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u/Evil-Testicles 3d ago
Northern coastal Andhra/krishan godavari basin has been influenced more by Kannada dynasties than tamil dynasties...
Eastern Chalukyas, eastern gangas etc left a huge impact there. Tamil dynasties didn't even rule that region for 300 years
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u/Sea-Anteater-709 3d ago
Rayalaseema was influenced more my Kannada culture while coastal Andhra was influenced by tamil culture ,this map is perfect
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u/Evil-Testicles 3d ago
Tamil dynasties didn't even rule their regions for 300 years while Kannada dynasties standardized the Kannada script, temple architecture etc in most of coastal andra since 600 CE to Vijaynagar empire times
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u/Regular_Muffin24 2d ago
Who told u. In tamilnadu. Lately. Found some material. From digging. Belongs to iron age
Same. As Harappa culture
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u/Evil-Testicles 2d ago
Bro..... Do some research before commenting. No culture in india predate IVC. That iron age culture claim has been debunked.
How is your answer related to my question?
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u/Regular_Muffin24 18h ago
Bro ivc - brownse age Tamilnadu - iron age
Share the link what u saying about debunk
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
Logically speaking, it is also natural that a common culture would develop easily alongside a continuous eastern coastline.
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u/Specialist_River12 2d ago
I think that only applies to the Nellore and maybe Prakasam region. The Krishna Godavari delta region and North Andhra region are very isolated and not really similar to Tamil Nadu.
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u/GummadiKai 3d ago
Someone in Warangal/Khammam is more culturally close to a person in Pune than Guntur?
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
No, but both Desh and Telangana come under the historical Chalukyan sphere of influence.
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u/GummadiKai 3d ago
SO WHAT? That is historical, that doesn't define how culturally close they are in the present day
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
But aren't both Marathi and Telugu cultures both influenced by Karnataka upto at least some level?
I'm sure Kalyana Karnataka and Uttara Karnataka are quite similar to Desh and Telanagana respectively.
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u/GummadiKai 2d ago
Yeah ofc theres gonna be Influences but the similarity pales in comparison to how similar Telangana is to rest of the Telugu lands. It's like lets say if Telangana and Kalyana Karnataka have 15% factor of similarity, then the similarity b/w Telangana and rest of Telugu lands would be 65%
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u/Specialist_River12 2d ago
Yeah I agree as a Telangana person we're more closer to Andhra than any other region.
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u/sightssk 3d ago
Maybe zoom out the map a little bit.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
It's an annotation of a Wikimedia Commons image. It's already zoomed out.
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u/notvalidusernamee 3d ago
Pretty accurate for Maharashtra.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
Khandesh has been appropriately placed in Western India alongside Gujarat.
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u/Majestic_Radio_1937 1d ago
Telangana should not be included. We are much closer to Andhra and the rest of the South in every way.
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u/ObligationOne3727 3d ago
East from sunkoshi is different civilization (mostly sino tibetan), between budhi gandaki and Sunkoshi there is different civilization (newar:- mix of Indo Aryan and sino tibetan). And west of budhi gandaki is mostly Indo aryan
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u/ChutiumSulphate [Disney's Allauddin] 2d ago
Upper Deccan would be more appropriate, as Deccan means Southern.
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u/ConsiderationOne2766 3d ago
What cultural similarity does majority of Bengal or Odisha have with bihar? Bihar, UP, MP have closer connections than Bihar with Bengal and Odisha
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u/Prestigious_Ad_657 3d ago
Lot and I mean lot!! Modern cultures are merely few centuries old...Anga Vanga Kalinga Pundra Suhma ...have milennia old history and culture..they are more similar than dissimilar ..but yes in last few hundred years bihar as a new region is completely different truly..
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u/zefiax 2d ago
Several centuries back, maybe. But in the last century, Odisha, Bengal, Bangladesh, and Assam are much closer culturally to each other than Bihar. Our languages are even partially intelligible when we listen closely. Our food is similar. Clothing. Traditions. Bihar is now much closer to central India.
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u/LouhoPurushTonyDaa 3d ago
Exactly! Bengal Assam and Odisha are like sublings. Very similar food habit, culture and even the surnames.
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u/YesterdayDreamer 3d ago
First of all, UP itself can be divided into three distinct parts.
Second, no, Bihar and UP are not culturally similar, despite what people want to believe. Bihari culture, including food and language, has a lot of similarity to Bengal's.
As someone else said on this comment, Vanga & Magadh has historically much closer relations that Magadh and Avadh.
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u/srmndeep 3d ago
This is more of a very modern diversion as Hindustani (Urdu/Hindi) was imposed on Bihar in 19th century and Bengal somehow escaped that because of Bengal Renaissance.
Historically, Maithili had much influence on Bengali and Assamese literature. Script of Maithili also resembles closely to Bengali/Assamese.
Politically also, Bengal and Bihar often form a single unit under Palas or Sultanate of Bengal or even under Nawabs of Bengal before British.
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u/Specialist_River12 2d ago
I think Bihar is more of a transitional region. Bhojpur region definitely seems more closer to Central India while Milthilanchal seems more closer to the east.
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u/Less-Personality-481 3d ago
Did you knew Magahi/Magadhi spoken in Magadh region of Bihar originated from Magadhi Prakrit just like Bengali and Odia.
Magadh is deep in Devi worship too, each village has its own Devithaan, and folk goddess like Ban Debi are worshiped too.
Dialects of Magahi are spoken in Bengal and Odhisa too
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u/panautiloser 3d ago edited 3d ago
You lack a lot of historical, linguistic and cultural knowledge and seem to have bought into the narth indian media narrative. Up and bihar has nothing in common apart from west up which itself has influence of bihari culture,bihar is eastern to core both linguistically and culturally. The language as well as script of bangla and axomiya has it's root in bihar, the bihari languages(magadhi,Angika, maithili, bhojpuri, surajpuri) ,bangla ,axomiya , odia are sisyer languages and derived from same prakrit i.e magadhi prakrit. The oldest temple in bihar is a devi temple and devi worship is engrained in bihar, durga puja is the biggest festival in Anga region along with chhath, the biggest folk festival of Anga region bishari bihula puja itself inspired the mansa mangalkavya of Bengal. Even in chhath chathi maiya is worshipped who is envoked at the sixth day of baby birth,the same diety is worshipped as shasti devi in bengal, every bihari village has devishthan and Ram is not the main deity like Up. The castes are also same in bengal and bihar, and the caste angle in up and bihar are totally opposite.
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u/Significant-Ant8132 2d ago edited 2d ago
Just because it have p its name doesn't translate it have cultural Similarly, Bengal and odisha have more similarity to Bihar than Mp, Madhya Pradesh Western Side is whole influenced by Rajesthan , Gujarat and Maharashtra, The Northern side like braj is similar to up Vrindavan Area and Southern Mp is similar to Vidharbha of maharastra and bordering district but not the whole of chhatisgarh. Just because no one from Mp uses Reddit , you can't just lump everything and put Mp central India in whatever box , Yesterday i saw a person Putting Mp in Plains Box WOW
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u/DearthStanding 2d ago
in the modern day this may be true but historically it's fairly accurate. Bihar was very much past the frontier of the cultural underpinnings of what is now "hindi" culture
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u/rakesh81 2d ago
A Bengali will be unable to accept. But an outsider can directly identify the similarities.
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u/aggressivefurniture2 3d ago
Bihar is definitely closer to Bengal than UP innterms of culture and language.
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u/Ok_Gazelle_4281 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ever heard of Maithili, it has a lot of commonalities with Bengali. Most Bengali states have included Bihar and Jharkhand as part of their territories. Bihar Brahmins are also allowed to eat meat like the Bengali ones.
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u/Unhappy_Respect_8555 2d ago
Just read your history first… bengal state had orissa and bihar… even bangladeshi know this fact thats why they included Bihar in their greater Bangladesh plan
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u/averagebutprecious 2d ago
Magadh, Mithila and Bengal have historically been parts of the same empires. Maybe the Bhojpuri part of Bihar is a little different from Bengal. But the languages of Mithila, Magadh, Orissa and Bengal are very similar. Infact Bengali literature has borrowed a lot of literary traditions from Mithila.
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u/Afraid_Paramedic6412 1d ago
A Bihari has much more common with a Bengali than somebody from West-UP. Makes even more sense if they are not Bhojpuri but Maithili or Magahi (combined more than half of Bihar's population).
Not all of UP and Bihar is made of Bhojpuri people, their homeland is East UP - West Bihar.
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u/Alternative-Lie6193 3d ago
Their Mordern language descended from Magahi Prakrit which sounds like Bengali when spoken
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u/awesssomee gangetic 2d ago
are you dumb? literally bengal cultre is made from magadhi sphere.. have u heard maithili language? or jus see the script of it and see how similar they are.. bengal and mithila are literally alike
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u/Adventurous-Star1309 3d ago
How is Kerala and Andhra linked? Kerala & Tamil Nadu can’t be clubbed forget far away Andhra when it comes to culture
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
I drew the boundary as per the border between the southern plains and the end of the Deccan plateau.
I guess many further subdivisions would be needed on this map.
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u/Oru_Vadakkan 3d ago
You ignored western ghats ?
Either side of western ghats are very different culturally•
u/crispyfade 3d ago
Well done but I'd consider the western littoral of Kerala/malabar and konkan as a zone
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u/DearthStanding 2d ago
Kerala and TN absolutely can be linked. they have diverged today but historically there's very similar underpinnings. caste system etc were indeed different but Kannadiga and telugu culture diverged much before the divergence or Tamil and mallu cultures
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u/xixixima 3d ago
I appreciate OP's self-awareness
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
Let me know how you find this map and what should be added/changed.
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u/xixixima 2d ago
I don't have any credentials. So I can only comment on your interpretation of "southern Deccan" because I come from that marked region. Rayalaseema shares cultural similarities with bordering regions Karnataka but you included the coastal Karnataka in Southern Deccan only. That's absolutely wrong. I've lived in the coastal KA town of Udupi. Rayalaseema and Tulunadu are very different.
That is all I have to say
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
I think the entire coastline from Ratnagiri to Mangalore should be considered a different region.
Noted.
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u/shwarma__ 2d ago
Seems alright, but jammu would be in the Himalayan belt given our regional identity is more associated with communities in the mountains rather than the plains.
Even our customs straightaway overlap with those of Himachal belt, since we all are practically the same hindu communities.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
Drawing error.
Didn't notice I was leaving out Jammu while making the Himalayan region
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u/Significant-Ant8132 2d ago
FINALLY SOMEONE REALISING THAT IF YOU WILL USE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST ANS WEST THEN ONLY A SMALL PART COULD BE CONSIDERED AS CENTRAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Only 1 State Sits in Central India, Madhya Pradesh, It's Culture is unique to all because it Borrows and is Influenced by All other states to the point that it's regional identieties are smaller than It's semi Indian Regional Identity, which is only shared by Delhi which is a ut
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u/thauyxs 2d ago
I think you will have to go into district level divisions, group them into culturally similar contigs, then build upwards from there. When you do things top-down, no one will accept your ideas because everyone knows the many differences with their neighbouring cultures, and will fight to point it out. Bottoms up will be better.
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u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen 2d ago
I love how every OC India map of all time uses the eastern Bangladesh border as if the border is rooted in anything other than colonialism and happenstance
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u/Ok_Code8464 1d ago
U cannot make same for Uttrakhand or western himalayas with eastern himalayas - arunachal is with north east, nepal is again different
The whole east india classification is wrong bihar is with the ganga plain why do u think bihar is with east india
East india should only be the mineral belt with fuether divison kf the bengali regiom as one west and bangladesh region
Andhra u messed up by dividing it
The only part u did good is south india because it is already demacated well due to language, but still did foolishness by inclusing kl and tn together they have a geographic divide by western ghats no shared identity
U gave western ghats or easteen ghats no weightage
Dont know why u gave so much weight to Bastar forest Dandakaranya is not that unique it shares identity with tri state area of gadchiroli north andhra and some part of MH
Poor geography sorry not criticisng but a constructive critic
The chittagong hill tract should be north east instead u added it in bangladesh
Somewhere u followed political boundaries somewhere ur own
And if include Pakistan and bangla why not myanmar as part of Indo- Burma cultural group
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 1d ago
Hmm correct.
I think it was unwise to shuffle between cultural boundaries and geographic boundaries simultaneously.
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u/No_Feedback2947 3d ago
West and East Punjab and Sindh belong together and separate from the rest.
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u/godofpathos 8h ago
Agree. Sindh is culturally distinct from Gujarat and Rajasthan but shares commonalities with Punjab. In fact, Sindhi and Punjabi were derived from the same Prakrit and there was much mixing and migrating of people along the Indus corridor
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u/HappyActive8967 3d ago
the cultures between tamilnadu kerala maybe different or same according from region to region but north of kerala is high relevant to south Karnataka called tulunad their culture looks entirely different
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
Maybe Tulunadu can be considered as the transition land between western India and Malabar coast?
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u/Jumping_Spiders_ 3d ago
I think rajasthan should go in the west india, culturally and linguistically.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
I've kept Marwar in west India and Shekhawati in North India accordingly.
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u/reddit_walker16 2d ago
You can further divide peninsular
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
Open to suggestions
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u/reddit_walker16 14h ago
I'm a north Indian
Andhra Tamil Nadu atleast should be divided
Then within tamil nadu keralam And then Kongu Nadu etc
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u/Lower_Replacement_35 2d ago
Region of india does not extend west of the river indus. Those regions are central asian (Afghan borderland) and iranic (balochi),
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
Correct, but the Khyber region can be considered as a part of Indic civilisation right?
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u/Used-Preparation4567 2d ago
Mfw even in this map AP and Telangana are still separated. Language is culture dawg, I get where your head is at though, tbh most of North India can make its own province save for Maharastra, Punjab, and Bengal, and then you have your southern states
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u/GopaiPointer 2d ago
Modern Southern Deccan might as well be part of Peninsular India. And Eastern Deccan doesn't really make sense a lot on its own.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
Eastern Deccan has been demarcated around Bastar to denote the only non Sanskritised part of the Deccan plateau.
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u/Billuman 2d ago
The whole of himalayas arent the same. The nepal tarai is quite different from upland.
In east india, the plateaus r quite different from Ganga plains. Ditto for Brahmaputra plains being different from the hills.
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u/prmsrswt 2d ago
Gujarati and Rajasthani culture, and not just on surface but the deep deep kind of culture, is very same. And the regions have always been connected, since the times of Harrapan civilization tbh.
It is wrong to put them in different regions.
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u/Dry_Rate_755 1d ago
This custom 8-Zone Model redefines India's internal regional framework based on three foundational pillars: Geographic Reality, Economic Synergy, and Cultural Parity.
- South East Zone (Odisha, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana) Basis: The Bay of Bengal coastal corridor, ancient Kalinga/Eastern Chalukya maritime footprint, and Krishna-Godavari-Mahanadi river deltas. Rationale: Odisha, Andhra Pradesh, and Telangana form a contiguous economic and maritime belt. Connecting Odisha’s deep-water ports (Paradeep, Dhamra, Gopalpur) with Vizag and Krishnapatnam creates India's primary industrial and trade bridge to Southeast Asia, while anchoring Odisha in a distinct, respected identity.
- Southern Zone (Tamil Nadu, Kerala) Basis: Deep Dravidian linguistic heritage, Coromandel-Malabar southern tip geography, and high Human Development Index (HDI) parity. Rationale: Tamil Nadu and Kerala share tight socio-economic indicators, environmental ecosystems (Western Ghats/Nilgiris junction), and historical maritime trade routes across the Arabian Sea and Bay of Bengal.
- South West Zone (Maharashtra, Goa, Karnataka) Basis: The Sahyadri (Western Ghats) ecosystem, Konkan coastline, and the Mumbai-Pune-Bengaluru technology and manufacturing axis. Rationale: These states form India's dominant financial, industrial, and software power belt, bound together by Western Ghats ecology and shared Western Seaboard trade infrastructure.
- Western Zone (Gujarat, Rajasthan) Basis: Arid/semi-arid ecology (Thar Desert, Aravalli Range, Rann of Kutch), mercantile trade traditions, and renewable energy grids. Rationale: Both states share massive solar/wind power potential, long international land and sea borders, and integrated textile, chemical, and manufacturing corridors.
- Central Zone (Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Uttar Pradesh) Basis: The Gangetic-Vindhyan inland heartland, Chota Nagpur transition rim, and agrarian-mineral core. Rationale: Unifies the agricultural plains of Uttar Pradesh with the resource-rich plateau and forest systems of Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, creating a balanced agricultural and industrial power core for northern-central India.
- Eastern Zone (West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand) Basis: Lower Gangetic plains, Chotanagpur mineral basin, and shared labor-industrial supply chains. Rationale: Grouping Bengal, Bihar, and Jharkhand preserves the historic economic interdependency between Jharkhand's mineral wealth, Bihar's agricultural/labor force, and Bengal's port access.
- North Eastern Zone (Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram, Tripura, Sikkim) Basis: Strategic international frontier, Eastern Himalayan biodiversity hotspot, and distinct indigenous socio-cultural heritage. Rationale: Retains the unified integrity of the 8 North-Eastern states as India's primary "Act East" overland gateway to Myanmar and ASEAN.
- Northern Zone (Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, J&K, Ladakh) Basis: The Indus-Yamuna agricultural plains, Western/Central Himalayan ecology, and high-altitude border security zones. Rationale: Combines the granary plains of Punjab and Haryana with the Himalayan watershed states that supply their rivers, creating an integrated ecological and food-security bloc.
Correct me if there is something wrong.
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u/khroshan 22h ago
Why is Sindh lumped with Gujarat? There is basically zero cultural similarity between the regions and they've pretty much never been connected historically.
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u/Choice_Struggle1124 3d ago
I guess you are from South India, judging by the fact you divided southern part into multiple segments while clubbing other parts in a single zone.
Eg; Himalaya area. Eg; Kashmir, ladakh, kumaon, sikkim have very different culture.
I am from Himalayan area and mostly visited all parts of India. So the culture of northern deccan and southern deccan are more similar than Kumaon and ladakh
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
I am from Maharashtra, actually.
Eg; Himalaya area. Eg; Kashmir, ladakh, kumaon, sikkim have very different culture.
I see. The map would be needing quite a few subdivisions anyways.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
judging by the fact you divided southern part into multiple segments while clubbing other parts in a single zone.
North Indian history isn't my forte, as you may have guessed, but I have tried my best to interpret the cultural geography of the northern regions based on historical dynasties and my limited understanding of their culture.
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u/Choice_Struggle1124 3d ago
Yep, no hard feelings since it’s your interpretation. Just want to highlight one geographical aspect; mountains are historically huge barriers so 500km in Mountainous region will have greater variation then plains
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
That's true.
Higher summits and more remote locations would mean it becomes harder for people, ergo cultures to travel.
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u/DearthStanding 2d ago
yeah it'd probably be Kashmir, Ladakh, Himachal to Garhwal, Nepal, Sikkim to Arunachal. probably 3 or 4 regions depending on how you do the historic bookmarks
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u/Itchy-Print-4256 3d ago
why have you joined Punjab with the rest of UP and Rajasthan? Punjabiyat is miles apart than their culture
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago edited 3d ago
Doesn't northern Rajasthan and Punjab have a few common Rajput clans? (Ex: Bhatti)?
In the case of Punjab and UP, well they're both a part of the northern plains and regions are divided as per geography as well.
Edit: I think even regions like Bharatpur have Jatts.
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u/Mysterious_Lynx6396 2d ago
I think assam should be put along eastern india as their culture and history is similar to that of the bengalis, if geographically then northeast yes.
Also Chattisgarh, western jharkhand, eastern jharkhand, m.p (heavily forested regions and tribals) should be put in central India.
Western Parts of Bihar can also be put in north india (Agrarian, history and language).
Your map is perfect though 👌👍
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u/weirdforsomereason 2d ago
From what I understand, the British actually divided India or the Indian conquered area 4 times or in 4 places. First was when USSR was expanding rapidly taking in the countries in the South, Afghanistan or that area was set up as a buffer should the Soviets come un contact with that land. Next in 1934, Burma was separated as another rule. Third was East and West Pakistan, the land of Nepal. Myanmar was heavily influenced by the regions of the South of India since trade during the Chola Pandhya empire was along the eastern seaboard of iur country right upto Thailand and Indonesia which is why we find temples as well other places of worship and common ancestry with them. But these last 2 countries were never a part of what we call as Colonized India.
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u/Significant_Major921 2d ago
Why is Bhojpuri region in the same bracket as literal Bengal and Odisha. What "culture" do we share with them? Make it make sense.
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u/Specialist_River12 2d ago
Eh I think Southern Deccan should include all of Karnataka, Andhra and Telangana. Apart from that it seems mostly agreeable.
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u/Historical_Arm_6294 2d ago
Pretty bad understanding of history & culture in that case… at best this is close to 1750s context
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u/friendofH20 2d ago
The CK3 Empire Map is probably one of the more accurate depictions of "regions" even though its not historically accurate
There are roughly 4 cultural groups in India/South Asia - the North West, the South, the East and the mountain region. There are subcultures and lots of movement around them but Bengal and Orissa have more in common with each other than say Punjab and Balochistan or Kerala and Sri Lanka.
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u/Majestic_Radio_1937 1d ago
This is bad, sorry. Grouping Telangana with Maharashtra just because of a few districts is insane when one can see how much we have in similar with Andhra Pradesh and the rest of South India.
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u/_solitarybraincell_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Peninsular India just seems....plain stupid. doesn't hold up on ANY of the parameters you mentioned in the title.
Kerala is pretty split from the rest of the areas you've included. The wester ghats are a very strong boundary (the likes of which a lot of states dont have) for geography, history, and culture. Coimbatore, where the "gap" in the ghats is situated, has a lot of spillover culture-wise from Kerala.
Now I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but man, what the hell. This is the exact kind of annoying ignorance that most north Indian folks have about this part of India.
Another thing I would add is that kerala has a lot of stuff in common with southern Deccan - the Kodagu and even bits ofthe mysore kingdom, so to speak.
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u/AssyrianFemme 1d ago
I'm sorry, but in what universe is Bhutan a part of India as a region? This includes parts of Tibet that are more China then they are India (though they're not either, Tibet is a region unto itself.
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u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 Dakshinapatha Resident 3d ago
Accurate
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u/LouhoPurushTonyDaa 3d ago
Not accurate if you consider culture. Bihar is more like UP and UP is in north. East India is Bengal, Jharkhand and Odisha if you keep northeast India differently. Also jharkhand is very cosmopolitan. Assam Bengal and Odisha are the most similar.
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u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 Dakshinapatha Resident 3d ago
No. Eastern Bihar is similar to that of WB and JK if I'm not wrong.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
But doesn't UP differ culturally as well from Awadh to Purvāncal?
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u/LouhoPurushTonyDaa 3d ago
Linguistically yes! Culturally I don't think so. Because most of the UP and bihari people I know actually celebrate the same festivals.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 3d ago
Would it be accurate to say that the region between Prayāgraj and the border wirh Bengal is the transitional land between North India and East India?
(On a side note, doesn't "Purvanchal" mean eastern land or something)
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u/LouhoPurushTonyDaa 3d ago
I think purvanchal means eastern side of a land. Not specifically east India.
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u/YesterdayDreamer 3d ago
So you have no connection to Bihar, Bengal, or UP, nor have you studied it, and yet you're commenting here because "I ve friends from bihar and UP"?
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u/LouhoPurushTonyDaa 3d ago
Whatever floats your boat. You can think whatever you want.
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u/panautiloser 3d ago
The perfect example of anecdotal fallacy.
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u/LouhoPurushTonyDaa 3d ago
Before using some intellectual looking terms or phrases please clarify why literally every state under the hindi heartland speaks hindi! Don't they have a lot of regional languages? If yes then why don't they speak those languages? Never got an answer to this question.
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u/panautiloser 3d ago
I didn't used any intellectual fancy looking term out of blue but stated the fact and the official term. Because soft hindi imposition was done by centre and media ,and same northern culture was forced on bihar, because centre was keen to inflate the number of hindi speaker so to make their claim of making hindi an official language strong as bihari elites had adopted hindi and devnagri for nationalistic reasons during 19th century. Having adopting same official language doesn't means having sane culture,bihar has another official language same as official language of bihar , doesn't makes bihari culture automatically similar to pakistani culture.
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u/Less-Personality-481 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm from Magadh(Magahi speaking regions) ig you don't know what Magahi even is, but we are culturally similar to other East India states than UP.
Also a major dialect of Magahi is spoken across North Jharkhand, their are dialects of Magahi is Odhisa, and Bengal too.
Bengali, Magahi, and Odia all orginated from Magadhi Prakrit.
Just like Bengal, Magadh is deep in Devi worship.
So please don't try to speak for us
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u/LouhoPurushTonyDaa 3d ago
I'm not speaking for you. I just stated some facts based on my observations. And I'm quite aware of magahi. I hope you know brajabuli?
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u/YesterdayDreamer 3d ago
Lol, where is this bs coming from, Bihar is like UP. No, it's not. Bihar and Bengal have a lot more in common than Bihar and UP.
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u/SerpensPatronus 2d ago
UP is not in the north but central/eastern India. The only exception are northwestern parts related to Haryana and UK plains, otherwise no other northern state can related to it. It’s related to MP and Bihar.
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u/Euphoric_Border4670 2d ago
Wrong,awadh is not the same as punjab or rajasthan
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u/Obvious-Wave-2918 2d ago
Nobody cares about rj and pb . Awadh is far better than y'all
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u/Euphoric_Border4670 2d ago
Bruh,i am not talking about who is better or not,all I am saying is that it's different,you can't club them together like OP did and for your kind info,I am awadhi too
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u/Obvious-Wave-2918 2d ago
It's about region .. not cultural similarity ok?
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u/Euphoric_Border4670 2d ago
And how exactly are the culture, history and geography of these regions similar enough to club them together
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u/Obvious-Wave-2918 2d ago
That's what I said no two states or region are 100% similar
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u/Euphoric_Border4670 2d ago
No you were clearly hating
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u/Some_Farm8108 2d ago
Like it or not, they're fairly similar. A person from either of these areas living in another would be able to adapt without much culture shock.
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u/Clear_Command_404 3d ago
Your map accurately shows that neither you have any knowledge of culture nor of history or geography of India.
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u/masalakulchaa 3d ago
Created by someone who has zero understanding of the vastly different cultures of all states of India. Please travel and learn
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u/panautiloser 3d ago
Some one pointed out that bihar is not eastern and has commonality with UP,which shows centre and north india media has been successfully in their narrative. The person lacks a lot of historical, linguistic and cultural knowledge and seem to have bought into the narth indian media narrative. Up and bihar has nothing in common apart from west up which itself has influence of bihari culture, bihar is eastern to core both linguistically and culturally. The language as well as script of bangla and axomiya has it's root in bihar, the bihari languages (magadhi,Angika, maithili, bhojpuri, surajpuri),bangla,axomiya, odia are sisyer languages and derived from same prakrit i.e magadhi prakrit. The oldest temple in bihar is a devi temple and devi worship is engrained in bihar, durga puja is the biggest festival in Anga region along with chhath, the biggest folk festival of Anga region bishari bihula puja itself inspired the mansa mangalkavya of Bengal. Even in chhath chathi maiya is worshipped who is envoked at the sixth day of baby birth, the same diety is worshipped as shasti devi in bengal, every bihari village has devishthan and Ram is not the main deity like Up. The castes are also same in bengal and bihar, and the caste angle in up and bihar are totally opposite.
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u/SerpensPatronus 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is so wrong.
North India should be the region which lies in the northern part of the country. You’ve included UP and Rajasthan there when neither of these states lie in the north. North India consists of Ladakh, HP, Uttarakhand, J&K Haryana and Punjab.
Cultural continuity? How is Punjab in the same cultural sphere as UP? They’re nothing alike. There’s no single Himalayan culture so how is Gilgit Baltistan, J&K, Ladakh, Himachal, Nepal (a whole country), Arunachal Pradesh and even parts of Afghanistan in the same cultural zone? And why is Jammu omitted from the Himalayas? Your map makes 0 sense whether you take cultural continuity or cultural similarity into account.
This is an accurate map if you really want to highlight different regions of India. The zones they fall in also determine whom they’re the closest to ethnolinguistically. Northern states are the closest to each other, southern to southern ones, western to western ones and central and eastern to each other etc.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
What cultural continuity does Kolhapur or Goa have with Jodhpur or Bhuj as per this map
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u/SerpensPatronus 2d ago
Doesn’t change their geographical location. It’s much better than whatever you’ve created.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
You’ve included UP and Rajasthan there when neither of these states lie in the north.
How is Shekhawati, and a state called "Uttar Pradesh" not North India
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u/SerpensPatronus 2d ago
Because neither physically fall in northern India. Rajasthan is a western state and UP is a central/ eastern state. UP was named “Uttar” Pradesh to keep the UP acronym from United Provinces. There’s a reason its historical name is Madhyadesha. Not to mention that it’s a part of the middle zonal council set up in the 50s.
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u/Embarrassed_Toe2416 2d ago
I'd say part of the Western Maharashtra as in the Pune, Bombay, Goa region, they should absolutely be included in Western India rather than Northern Deccan.
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u/Auctorxtas Hasn't gotten over the downfall of the Maratha Empire 2d ago
I've included Khandesh in western India, but Mumbai and Goa have continuity culturally along the cost with Uttara Kannada rather than with Bharuch or Surat.
Arguably I'd put Palghar and Daman in western India.
Even Mangalore has a lot of CKP and Chitpavan communities.
Pune on the other hand falls in the Desh region and has cultural continuity with North Karnataka.
Deshastha Brahmin community for instance is present in large numbers on both sides of the MH-KA border, and also in major cities like Pune, Kolhapur, Nagpur etc. We have the same culture, even the same surnames on both sides, it's just that the language (Marathi V. Kannada) differs. If I were to learn Kannada, Vijaypura or Hubbali-Dharwad would feel closer to home for me than Goa or Ratnagiri.
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u/bad-gut 2d ago
Sindh and Gujarat are together???
Yes that's a W for me
Sindhi Ancestors and Currently Gujju lol
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u/godofpathos 8h ago
Bad call. Sindh and Punjab should be a seperate unit
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u/bad-gut 7h ago
Well I mean, then Sindh would become the Bridge between Gujarat and Punjab, and heck these two Giants are NOT the same.
Also I do agree Sindhis and Punjabis are really Culturally similar.
So Idk what the best solution to this problem is.
Me personally being a Kutchi, would love to have Sindh and Gujarat under 1 zone as I myself am a Middle-ground between Sindhis and Gujus
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u/Vardhu_007 3d ago
The Britishers would have appreciated your service in the 40s