r/teslore 7h ago

Why is the afterlife mainly race based and not faith based?

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So this more of a philosophical/theological question I've had for a while, it all started when I played "seriously" Skyrim for the first time in a decade and while doing the Companions questline i talked to my shield-sister Ria.

When I asked about what it means to be a Companion she says the following:

"So much. This group... this family... this band... this is the best thing I've ever been a part of. The oldest fighting group in Skyrim, and nothing but glory from Ysgramor's day to our own. To be counted in that line is a bit of immortality. Even if I never see Sovngarde, I'll have that much."

I'm sorry... What?! She is doing all of this and she is not even going to the big party with his Idol when she kicks the bucket?! What the hell...

So with the little knowledge I have, as far as I can tell, the afterlife is locked by which race you are, rather than your faith or actions in this life (unless you mess with Daedric shit then those guys can claim you in their own realms, and the Soul Cairn which it's is own thing). That means that because Ria is an Imperial she is not eligible to feast at the Hall of Valor in Sovngarde.

Why is it this way? I understand places like Sovngarde or the Far Shores are just pocket realms of Aetherius so they are technically the same place, but for example if a Mer is raised in the Nordic way of life and dies in glorious battle, never learning the true extent of his or her nature as an elf, then instead on ending up in Sovngarde like his or her adoptive family and brothers or sisters in arms, he or she ends up in whatever place Mer go and that's it?

What does that mean to me? I'm a Argonian in this playthrough, do I get to go to Sovngarde when my times up because I'm a Dragonborn in the Nord sense? Or do I get somehow "split" and one version of me goes to Sovngarde as a Dragonborn hero and the other version returns to the Hist hive mind? Which one is me? Tsun seems to think I will return to Sovngarde when my time comes.

I know the obvious answer would be because the writers said so, but I want to read your theories or philosophical answers.


r/teslore 15h ago

Is there a specific attitude or stigma towards technology in TES lore?

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For those who understand the TES lore, do you know if there is a specific attitude towards technology?

I mean, most people have no idea about it, but considering that the Dwemer vanished being the most technologically advanced, aren't there any enemies or factions opposing this topic?


r/teslore 10h ago

Pelinal's Forgotten Backstory

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Back in 2007, MK dropped one of the most important things ever to happen to Pelinal lore in the WWPD thread, and everyone in the thread ignored it.

"Two soldiers hobbled through long grass to get to the lagoon. They carried knives and blowguns and painted faces and a hemprope of varliance beads that they may or may not use. The tallest of the soldiers, who the junglemen called Pellani, carried a staff with bones hanging from it and wet feathers and more the bones were these: one from a black sugarcat which made him invisible to his enemies, four from the neck of a Snow Throat thane whose crimes still largely remain hidden, and of bird legs like clicking moon'd tinsel of no matching pair, and set highest on the staff, like an eye (for it was an eye), the white knuckle of an unborn child. His student beside him was a hoplite called Small Mori, who wore the bull tattoos of his tribe and a nose ring as in the fashion of the Revolution in the northern quarter of Ut Cyrod.

"The lagoon was surrounded by pretty rust-haired girls that all looked alike, grim dark on crush. I remember Gyetai, Pellani said. Small Mori's breed-father once shovel-skulled a Nail-Face for talking [censored] in the rice fields. Just let us take a skiff, one girl said.

"They've been testing this design back east, Small Mori said, and let's all get in. There can always be joy. They rowed in cursive across the water, sinking the bright varliance as they went, reminding the girl that her eyes were stars that didn't know how to swim. Pellani grabbed a ghost and slid his knife vertical down its belly. Inside was a map that no one heeded. No one needed, she said.

"And now the paddles, held straight in the rush that came, made great fins of water on either side of their skiff, and to call it repose was to taste one another. When she finally runs it's never really to get out. The facepaint had been stolen and made by eyelid hands.

"And just as they got to Delodiil the magic ran out. While Small Mori pilfered a stone from an ancient eyelid-wall, the girl hitched a ride back to camp on a crooked bonewagon whose sides were tagged by first generation feather-rebels. Pellani handed his friend something she left behind. And that's what Small Mori will always remember:

"Back at the lagoon and they were dancing and he said, what currency can I offer so you never run away, she had said: you can pay me in moans, brave bull, aad semblio elhno ky'n."

WWPD?

"Destroy all history and hide his promise."

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:What_Would_Pelinal_Do%3F

C0DA translation, as best I could do:

  • Pellani and Small Mori hobble through long grass to get to the lagoon. Pellani, the tallest of the soldiers, carries a staff with bones and feathers hanging from it; one bone from a black sugarcat that makes him invisible to his enemies, four bones from the neck of a Snow Throat Thane, two bird leg bones from two separate birds, and at the top of his staff like an eye, the knuckle bone of an unborn child.
    • The black sugarcat that makes Pellani invisible is a reference to the same hoodo charm that Vivec's nine bones from a black cat in Sermon 19 are a reference to. Black cat bones in hoodoo are said to be able to make you invisible, as well as other effects reminiscent of Amaranth such as romance and rebirth after death.
    • The knuckle bone is also reminiscent of the finger in Sermon 19,
  • Small Mori wears bull tattoos and a nose ring. Pellani and Small Mori wear face paint that a later section states was stolen from the Ayleids.
  • When they get to the lagoon, they see many pretty rust-haired girls. Pellani reminisces about Gyetai, and says that Small Mori's father once hit a Nail-Face with a shovel for talking [censored] in the rice fields.
    • Gyetai may be Small Mori's father, or he may be a girl that the Nail-Face was talking [censored] about.
  • While at this lagoon, Small Mori dances with a girl known for running away. He reminisces about this later.
  • One girl comes with Pellani and Small Mori on a skiff, a new design that they have been testing back east. They all get in, surrounded by varliance, and it reminds them of the girl's eyes.
    • The implication might also be that the skiff is powered by a welkynd stone, later the text talks about the magic running out.
  • Pellani grabs a ghost in the varliance and cuts open its belly to find a map that nobody followed. The girl says nobody needs the map.
  • This next section is unclear, but it seems the three of them are entranced by the beauty of the river, and the implication here might also be that they kiss each other.
    • This section also has the sentence "When she finally runs it's never really to get out," possibly implying this is the point where she decides to stop running away and instead run for freedom.
  • The magic powering their skiff runs out right as they get to Delodiil. Smal Mori steals a Welkynd Stone to re-power it, while the girl hitches a ride back to camp.
  • Pellani hands his friend something she left behind, and that is what Small Mori will always remember. This friend could be Mori, Pellani handing Mori something the girl left behind, or the friend could be the girl, and Mori always remembers Pellani handing her thing to her.
  • Small Mori remembers back at the lagoon when he was dancing with the girl, he asked what he could offer her so she would never run away, and the girl replies, he can pay her in moans, "aad semblio elhno ky'n."
  • What would Pelinal do here? He would destroy all history and hide his promise. This could be a promise he made to the girl or Mori when returning the object, or he could be hiding Mori's promise to the girl- remember in v8 of the Song he objects to Morihaus's love of Alessia.

The most important thing here is that Pelinal rewrote history just like Vivec and Hjalti did. He was not born a god. This could also answer why Pelinal shows up in WWYWTDB, he had his own apotheosis moment just like the three thieves of Morrowind and the High King of Alinor. The Sermon 19 connections are stranger because that implies an Amaranth connection, though the Provisional House is also where Vivec rewrote history. The lack of Huna is also interesting, is the implication that Pelinal gave up what he might have had in his pre-divinity world only to find it again with Huna only to have it taken away from him?

Honestly I don't know what's up with this text at all, other than that it's definitely way more important than people back in the WWPD thread gave it credit for. The final line especially means everything. If anyone has their own thoughts or theories, I'd love to hear them


r/teslore 12h ago

Simple question; how do we know Almalexia is the ‘bitch-whore’ in What My Beloved Taught Me?

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On the UESP article it links to her page, and I believe Dareloth said as much in his Ayem video. How do we know? As far as I can tell it’s completely ambiguous who Vehk is talking about.