r/springboks • u/dingo_zol Flair Up! • 1d ago
Greatest Rivalry Tour If the Greatest Rivalry tour proved anything, it’s that South Africa needs to host the Rugby World Cup again.
The atmosphere over the past few weeks has been unbelievable. Looking at sold-out crowds packed into world-class venues like Ellis Park, Cape Town Stadium, and FNB Stadium it’s impossible to ignore the reality: rugby culture hits differently here.
World Rugby made a massive mistake passing on 2023 and 2027. Watching the All Blacks and Boks tear into each other on South African soil in front of electric crowds just showed the world what a global tournament here would feel like.
Bring the World Cup back home. We are more than ready.
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u/dededarzar 1d ago
It’s never going to happen.
After France stole 2023 with their bribes to the west African rugby unions, SARU said they won’t do it again.
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u/Deep_Development3814 Flair Up! 1d ago
Excuse the ignorance but how do “west African rugby Union’s” come into this when no west African countries have participated in recent RWCs
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u/greenplasticgun 1d ago
And deny France their god given right to host their fifth? How dare you.
You may have seen me make this joke the whole weekend on every comments section ever.
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u/JarlBorg101 Flair Up! 1d ago
I still can’t believe we weren’t given the 2023 World Cup despite being the most competitive bid
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u/Grungan Flair Up! 1d ago
As a lurking kiwi on this sub, it is an absolute must! You guys have put on a real show this tour (let’s forget about the disappointing attendance URC games due to bad pricing)… The country lives and breathes rugby and the world loves it! Also it gives us a chance to straighten the record from ‘95… My old man after all these years is still bitter about that one…
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u/Responsible_King_427 Flair Up! 1d ago
World rugby has already said they won't ever let us host again because they cant milk it for enough money from the domestic ticket sales.
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u/No_Control8566 Flair Up! 1d ago
Yes, the mid week All Black games showed how soft ticket sales would be for the smaller games.
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u/Responsible_King_427 Flair Up! 1d ago
Different angle but same outcome.
There isn't enough money in it for them.
Although I would argue that watching the Sharks get annihilated by the ABs is different from watching countries represent themselves at the highest level of tournament play.
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u/CommentMaleficent957 Flair Up! 1d ago
No dobut South Africa loves rugby more than any other country, in your stadiums you create a great atmosphere.
Unfortunately I don’t think world rugby care that much about the love of the game.
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u/cyre_7 Flair Up! 1d ago
I completely agree, we showed what we can do in 2010. We still have the stadiums and the infrastructure and all that is needed to host a RWC. Our image might be tarnished be the international media but that does not mean the governing body of the WRC cannot at least, at least, bring SA into consideration by visiting and do some ground work.
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u/LiamNeesonsIsMyShiit Flair Up! 1d ago
I think a RWC in SA would sell a lot more domestic tickets than WR anticipates. Plus it's cheap for internationals to visit, and in a good timezone for European viewership. Don't know if there's ever been a better time to host it here given how expensive things have gotten in other countries, and how much attention rugby gets from SA audiences.
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u/Environmental-Bit-50 Flair Up! 1d ago
This weekend is Soweto really gave of 2010 "Phillip" vibes. we are so ready to host again.
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u/BrittaniaBricks 🏴 a Rose among the Rooibos 12h ago
As a Brit, you guys deserved 2023 over France, however as an outsider looking in, the whole 'ongoing situation' isn't a great thing for travelling fans, I imagine the 2027 Cricket World Cup will be the litmus test if the infrastructure from 2010 can still hold up.
I imagine the next SH World Cup after 2027 will be in Argentina/Uruguay/Chile.
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u/reditanian 🤜🏼🤛🏼 11h ago
The details vary, but t he situation was pretty well ongoing when we hosted the Football World Cup, and from what I’m told that went quite well.
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u/sciencekiller333 Flair Up! 4h ago
What do you mean by 'ongoing situation"?
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u/BrittaniaBricks 🏴 a Rose among the Rooibos 2h ago
That outside of a few CBDs and very rural towns you can't walk anywhere, the rolling blackouts (though I have heard that Eksom has gotten their shit together a bit more in the last year) and outside of flights, the only main public transport being the taxis (with metrorail & BRT being at best sketch).
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u/yaaveragenzbloke Flair Up! 20h ago
We can’t have the hosts food poisoning their opponents at the games biggest stage 👀🧐🤮
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u/Few-Letterhead-371 Flair Up! 10h ago
World Rugby won't allow it there most importantly it's very expensive to host it , would be very cool to bring it back to South Africa they deserve it as current world cup winners 🏆
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u/Only_One_Kenobi referee (MO Level 2) 20h ago
We cant guarantee security. And as others have said, money.
If you're listing world class stadiums though, you have to add Mbombela
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u/Hung-kee Flair Up! 21h ago
Having visited SA I’m a huge advocate for the country but the crime statistics aren’t favourable to a bid. You’d have lots of vulnerable tourists unaware that certain roads are no go areas, and these people would be walking targets. There would need to be a sustained decrease in crime I’d imagine to make a persuasive argument.
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u/mmphil12 Flair Up! 20h ago
South Africa have hosted multiple world events including the Soccer world cup without incident.
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u/pewpew26 Flair Up! 15h ago
That was in 2010, security and infrastructure, unfortunately, have deteriorated since then. You’ve hosted G20 in 2025 but visiting nations have specialized security for their personnel. BRICS was hosted in 2023. I love visiting South Africa and she could be the crown jewel of the world. To pretend it is not dangerous and your average tourist does lot do their due diligence, it would be irresponsible to host a major international sporting event.
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u/mmphil12 Flair Up! 9h ago
Security hasn’t deteriorated. Millions of tourists visit this country every year. Are you aware South Africa is hosting the Cricket World Cup next year? How did that happen?
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u/Ancient_Sound_5347 Flair Up! 9h ago
According to the US Embassy in South Africa a total of 358,333 American citizens,356,080 UK citizens and 256,878 German citizens visited South Africa in 2025.
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u/Mundane-Hornet-82 New To Reddit 1d ago
Our country is not safe enough... that has been the reasoning for years. We cannot protect our own citizens and tourists, how are we going to protect others?
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u/mmphil12 Flair Up! 20h ago
How many times does this need to be said to naysayers like yourself that this country has hosted multiple world events including the Soccer world cup without incident? Millions of tourists visit this country every year and the overwhelming majority visit without incident.
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u/mmphil12 Flair Up! 9h ago
We didn’t lose the Rugby World Cup because of security. Fact. What is factual is we’ve hosted multiple world events without incident. Millions of tourists visit this country. Those are facts.
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u/ichosehowe 4h ago
You fucking coward, post this on your main account an not on a 2 day sock puppet account.
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u/MayContainRawNuts 🤜🏼🤛🏼 1d ago
And how many international rugby tourists were part of those 70?
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u/StorminSean Flair Up! 1d ago
Well, there were 23 these past 2 weekends.
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u/MayContainRawNuts 🤜🏼🤛🏼 1d ago
I call 5 points an attempted murder at best, and even that is only a light revenge for the 17 on day 1
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u/Perenara1 Flair Up! 1d ago edited 1d ago
They don't like it when you bring it up even though the statistics don't lie
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u/Lonely_Advance7973 1d ago
“They” don’t like it when you bring up statistics without important context - as in, were those murders in tourist hubs?
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u/koos_die_doos Flair Up! 22h ago
To people who live in cities where there are maybe a couple of murders per week in the worst part of town, that distinction doesn't matter as much as you believe it does.
I emigrated to Canada in 2009, since then I've lived in the same small'ish town, and there has been three murders in that time.
Toronto has approximately one murder per week, half of which is gang related.
If you think the exact location of violent crime matters to people living in such places, you really need to work on understanding that South Africans have adjusted significantly in coping with the crime situation.
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u/Lonely_Advance7973 22h ago
I’m not naive to how our country is seen abroad - of course it’s far more dangerous than other countries and is seen as such.
I am well aware of how locals have adjusted to a weird way of living - I actually don’t need to “work on it”
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u/koos_die_doos Flair Up! 22h ago
If you really understood, you wouldn't even mention that the murder happened outside of tourist areas.
I'm coming to visit my family next year, at least half of my conversations about the trip are centered on the crime situation. If South Africa had a better crime rate, today's tourism would be peanuts compared to what can be realized.
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u/Lonely_Advance7973 21h ago
You clearly didn’t read anything I said, username checks out
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u/koos_die_doos Flair Up! 21h ago
You think record tourism numbers matter to the IRB when they can make more money elsewhere without the risk of tourists getting killed?
Personal attacks when your argument doesn't pan out is a tactic of many people on the losing end of a discussion, I guess it tracks here.
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u/Lonely_Advance7973 21h ago
The World Rugby report which recommended SA as 2023 host (the last time they bid), did exactly that so i do think they’d care
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u/Perenara1 Flair Up! 1d ago
If you want a real example "Bo-Kaap, Cape Town — 5 August: a 35-year-old man was shot and killed on Voetboog Street. Cape Town Central SAPS opened a murder investigation. Bo-Kaap is a well-known tourist area close to central Cape Town" here's the link to the article. That was 2 days before the All Blacks Vs Stormers game.
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u/Delicious_Star_4232 Flair Up! 1d ago
It isn't great but calling Voetboog street part of the "well known tourist area" is a stretch.
It's essentially a service road at the bottom of signal hill.
Wale street (1km away) is where the Bo-Kaap museum is and where all the tourists go for the colourful houses.
I could also be very selective for France and by extension, crime in Paris for when they hosted the WC.
The 70 murders a day stat is boosted by more dense informal areas where nobody would go even close to to watch a game or stay in accomodation.
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u/Perenara1 Flair Up! 1d ago
"1km away" wow such a crazy stretch
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u/Delicious_Star_4232 Flair Up! 1d ago
I was pointing the location distance out because it's a totally different part of the Bo-Kaap
The area tourists go has good visibility and so does majority of the walkable city.
No city is without crime
But like I watched the Stormers Vs NZ game at DHL stadium which is 3.9km away from this "murder hotspot" and we all walked from the stadium through town to get to our cars and it's fine.
There are parts of CPT you obviously avoid and any local or Uber driver or whoever would happily tell tourists that - just like most countries big cities.
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u/mausmumblingmoon Team Aimee 1d ago edited 1d ago
The point has been made that statistics without context and cherry picking certain incidents doesn't reflect reality. Does South Africa have a high crime rate - yes. Do we have a terrible murder rate (disproportionately affecting women and lower income groups) - yes. Should visitors be aware of these things and take appropriate steps to secure their belongings and safeguard themselves - yes.
Did the overwhelming majority of the record-breaking 10,5 million tourists who visited our country in 2025 (https://www.statssa.gov.za/?p=19362) enjoy an awesome holiday and make it home alive - also yes.
Edit to add just a few quickly Googled examples for my last point:
https://briefly.co.za/world/africa/252351-sa-flies-flag-african-country-worlds-20-beautiful/
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u/Perenara1 Flair Up! 20h ago
We don't know exactly how many tourists are murdered in South Africa. SAPS records murders, but its published national crime statistics don't have a separate category showing how many victims were tourists.
We know tourists have been murdered because SAPS sometimes identifies them in individual cases. For example, SAPS reported that a German tourist was shot and killed near White River in October 2022, and that a 74-year-old German tourist was murdered in Limpopo in February 2024.
The Stats SA article saying 10.5 million tourists visited South Africa in 2025 doesn't tell us how many were murdered or became victims of crime. It mainly reports tourist numbers, where they came from, their age and sex, why they visited and how long they stayed.
So you can't use the 10.5 million figure to claim that none were murdered or that they all had safe or enjoyable trips. A list made from news reports and individual SAPS reports should only be treated as a minimum known number, not the true total.
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u/betapen Flair Up! 1d ago
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