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Read-Along [Newbies] Cosmere, Unit 17 | The Stormlight Archive #2 | Words of Radiance: Interludes I-12, I-13, I-14, Trivia (Week 9.5) Spoiler
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SCHEDULE
Previously, we discussed Unit 17 | The Stormlight Archive #2 | Words of Radiance: Chapters 68 through 75 [Newbie Thread] / [Veteran Thread]
Today we are discussing Unit 17 | The Stormlight Archive #2 | Words of Radiance: Interludes I-12, I-13, I-14, Trivia
Next week we will be discussing Unit 17 | The Stormlight Archive #2 | Words of Radiance: Chapters 76 through 82
CHAPTER SUMMARIES
I have provided summaries for each chapter below and hidden them behind spoiler tags. There are no spoilers within the summaries. I've tried to make them as factual and unbiased as possible. If, however, you want a completely blind read through, then ignore what's behind the spoiler tags and proceed to the discussion below. I will not be guiding that in any way, so post any thoughts and questions you have. It will be other new readers who reply to you.
Interlude I-12: Lhan
Arch Faces: Ishar - Pailiah ----- Pailiah - Ishar
Iconography: Five Swords (aka Almighty)
POV Characters: Lhan
Setting: Kholinar, capital city of Alethkar.
Timeline: (1173.10.9.1-2) The day after Chapter 75. The day The Weeping begins.
Epigraph:
N/A
Summary:
Pai, a devout female ardent, is assigned to be mentored by Brother Lhan in Kholinar so that she can join Queen Aesudan's retinue as she requests. Lhan explains that the ardents are rewarded well by the Queen as long as they make her feel that she is religiously devout, though Pai feels that the Queen lives too luxuriously while there are starving Alethi. Lhan feels that he has to persuade Pai to be less confrontational and more accepting of the Queen's lack of religious orthodoxy. Lhan tries to explain how comfortable Pai's life will be but this seems to only make Pai more disagreeable. Lhan then shows Pai some wasted rotting food, and tries to convince her that if she is allowed to stay that she will be able to have a positive effect in the city by being given an opportunity to help the poor, but that she won't be allowed to stay if she maintains a contrary position to the lazy lives of the Queen's ardents. After given several hours to think, Pai questions Lhan about the lack of spirituality in Alethkar, and about how the elite only go through the motions but aren't really devout. Pai says that she will comply with his request to fit in with the ardent's lazy lifestyle and lead by example and do what good she could, though Lhan isn't entirely confident that she won't cause trouble.
Lhan arrives at the palace the next day to find that Pai has painted the throne room with large glyphs depicting the ten foolish attributes, and how the Queen exemplifies them. Pai is subsequently executed, and the Alethi riot in protest of this.
Interlude I-13: A Part to Play
Arch Faces: Battar - Battar ----- Battar - Battar
Iconography: Eshonai
POV Characters: Eshonai
Setting: Narak, the Parshendi home in the center of the Shattered Plains.
Timeline: (1173.10.8.5) The same day as Chapter 75.
Epigraph:
N/A
Summary:
Eshonai tries to ignore a voice that screams deep within her. Venli and Eshonai discuss the upcoming Alethi attack on Narak, and Eshonai says they should wait and try to surprise their foes with an unexpected highstorm that blows in an opposite direction from regular highstorms. Eshonai isn't happy with how comfortable Venli and her scholars are with the new stormform, but goes about her training of soldiers for the upcoming battle.
Interlude I-14: Taravangian
Arch Faces: Jezrien - Pailiah ----- Pailiah - Jezrien
Iconography: Five Swords (aka Almighty)
POV Characters: Taravangian
Setting: Vedenar, capital city of Jah Keved.
Timeline: (1173.10.7.2) Two days before Chapter 66, when Kaladin was released from prison.
Epigraph:
N/A
Summary:
Taravangian awakes on a ship with stiff muscles, noting that he doesn't feel stupid, which he considers a good sign. He notices that his ship has moored on time when his servants arrive. Maben brings him his morning meal, but is stopped by Mrall, one of the King's testers. He wants Taravangian to take the test first since it is an important day and he wants to know what to expect. Taravangian agrees with him and Mrall lets the testers approach. The three stormwardens give the King some paper on which some math-problems are put down with figures and glyphs. Taravangian made these himself on one of his better days and even though he knows he is not a complete idiot, he finds that he is only average on this day. After checking the papers, the stomwardens judge: "He is fit to serve," one proclaimed. "He may not change the Diagram, but he may interact outside of supervision, may change policy, and pass judgment." Mrall, after getting Taravangian's acceptance, lets Maban bring him his breakfast. Taravangian considers that, even though it always takes up one hour of every day, the test is the best way for a man who wakes up every morning with a different level of intelligence. He contemplates that life can be tricky especially when the world might depend on him.
Taravangian and his retinue enter the battlefield outside Vedenar, where his countrymen setup healing tents to tend to the wounded, and where they are welcomed and cheered for their mercy and aid, as the Diagram predicted, despite the fact that he was behind the civil war. Taravangian and Adrotagia speculate on the Thrill and Nergaoul. As Taravangian talks to the soldiers to show his compassion, he is confronted by Szeth who says they need to speak. Taravangian panics and makes sure he still has the Oathstone. They talk quietly and Szeth says that there is a problem, that Dalinar has a Surgebinder. Taravangian thinks Szeth found out about Jasnah and thinks she faked her own death. Szeth says that he fought a male Surgebinder who protected Dalinar, which surprises Taravangian and makes him wonder how Szeth will deal with the fact that he was right about the Voidbringers returning. Taravangian says that Szeth must have fought someone who had an Honorblade, and that he must return to kill Dalinar and avoid fighting Kaladin.
Taravangian's cabal discuss the possible identity of the Surgebinder. He consults the Diagram, and tells Adro that he asked the Nightwatcher for Capacity to save humankind. Taravangian guesses from one of the passages that one of the bridgemen that Dalinar took is the Surgebinder, and that they must keep Szeth from him at all costs, to maintain control of their assassin.
Taravangian then goes to see King Valam, who is dying. Valam is upset at how coy Taravangian is. He knows that Taravangian is feigning neutrality, but will soon press his valid but hidden claim for the throne of Jah Keved once Valam dies. Valam tells his scribe that he is making Taravangian his heir, and is shocked to learn all the other highprinces are dead. Valam asks his son Redin to stab him in the heart to put him out of his misery. He does so when prodded, and as Valam dies, he has a Death Rattle. Taravangian thinks he has succeeded as the Diagram instructed him, to become king of Jah Keved, that it is unifying the world as Gavilar insisted was necessary based on visions that he had.
TRIVIA
The rest of this post contains various trivia, including easy-to-miss details and long-running connections between books. It also incorporates external information from sources like author annotations and interviews ("Words of Brandon" or WoB). While most of this information is eventually revealed in the books, sharing it now enhances your overall understanding, aligning with Brandon Sanderson's practice of early fan engagement and clarification.
DELAYED
For the past several trivia's, I've been meaning to write up this particular section, but it kept getting pushed back for more important information. (Also, it's kind boring in a way too nerdy kinda way and I've been putting off messing with the reddit formatting to make this section work). It's finally here though!
You've probably noticed that the timeline for this series is pretty precise. Most events we know down to the day. Some of the dates for flashbacks have an accepted date that has a margin of error for a couple weeks or a couple months at most. I'm not bothering to include those kinds of discrepancies because they're never important if they exist. Once the read-along ends, I'll share the calendar I'm using and you can all go wild if you desire.
That said, you may have noticed that the date format that I'm using doesn't really appear in the books themselves. So you may be wondering how the fandom has been able to recreate the timeline with such precision. The answer is that those dates do appear, but not in the format I've presented them.
Let's revisit the epigraph from Chapter 1 of this book, specifically the "from" line:
--From the personal journal of Navani Kholin Jeseses 1774
It might be clear that 1774 is the year, but what is Jeseses? That's the rest of the date, down to the specific day! This format of writing the date is littered throughout the series and lets the fandom pinpoint the exact dates of certain events.
I've already mentioned that each Herald is associate with a number. Those numbers carry over and are used as month names and suffixes in the dates.
Jes is the number 1, after the Herald Jezerezeh'Elin (real name Jezrien). So the first month of the year is called Jes.
The first week of the first month of the year is called Jeses. The suffix "es" gets added.
You might see a pattern here. The first day of the first week of the first month of the year is called Jeseses. Or Jes-es-es for 1.1.1. Navani is writing that journal entry on 1774.1.1.1.
Each number has a name and a suffix. The name gets used for the month name too, and suffixes get used for week and day.
Here is the general chart that gets followed:
| Number | Month Name | Suffix |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Jes | es |
| 2 | Nan | an |
| 3 | Chach | ach |
| 4 | Vev | ev |
| 5 | Palah | ah |
| 6 | Shash | ash |
| 7 | Betab | ab |
| 8 | Kak | ak |
| 9 | Tanat | at |
| 10 | Ishi | ish |
So if we string some of these together, we can talk about Vevishes, or Vev-ish-es. Which would be:
Vev = 4th month
ish (Ishi) = 10th week of the month
es (Jes) = 1st day of the week
This is the date when the Death Rattle mentioned in the epigraph of The Way of Kings Chapter 6 was collected: 1772.4.10.1
There seem to be some minor inconsistencies with this pattern, and the fandom doesn't know if they are legitimate errors, or if they are linguistic changes that make the language easier (Sanderson is know to make adjustments like that to match real-world languages).
If you'd like a full list of every month-week-day combination, you can check out this pdf. This is a long-standing fandom provided link, but it's a pure PDF with no spoilers. The link has been around a while, so I don't see it disappearing, but if you are reading this many years in the future and notice it's missing, let me know and I'll try to update it.
In that PDF, you'll note that the number/month name is at the top left. The name of the week within the month is along the left-hand column (Jeses is the name of the 1st week in the 1st month, Jesan is the name of the 2nd week in the 1st month, etc.). The individual cells are the full month-week-day format, and along the top are the specific names for the days of the week, independent of the month/week (like their version of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc.)
Given there are five days in a week, those days are: Jesel, Nanel, Chachel, Vevel, and Palahel.
PIBU
I included a meme that is a reaction to some of the fandom's frustrations that the Interludes often come right after an interesting cliffhanger, only to focus on a seemingly useless or boring character. In the meme's example, they went with Pibu. Now, for clarity, Pibu isn't an actual character in the books (Stormlight or the Cosmere at large). However, if you visit the meme subreddit (/r/cremposting which I know some of you visit but really, be very wary of spoilers there), you may run into Pibu memes. Less so now than before but he shows up from time to time.
Pibu has his own lore about basically being a super Hoid in the background. Either the cosmere's savior or ultimate villain. I just thought I'd mentioned the character for those invested in memes and warn you to stay away from his lore until you're caught up with the cosmere.
HAIL TO THE KING, BABY
I mentioned in the trivia for the last set of Interludes that King Taravangian only claimed to be of the 2nd Dahn, since he ruled a small city-state and didn't want to antagonize the larger nations. Ascending to the throne of Jah Keved, however, lets him claim the rank of 1st Dahn. This places him on equal social footing with King Elhokar.
DEAR ABBY (AGAIN)
This is just confirmation, since you all guessed it, but the epigraphs in the previous section were Frost's reply to Hoid. Here is a link to Hoid's initial letter, which appeared in Part 2 of The Way of Kings. I've compiled Frost's reply in full below:
I'll address this letter to my "old friend," as I have no idea what name you're using currently. Have you given up on the gemstone, now that it is dead? And do you no longer hide behind the name of your old master? I am told that in your current incarnation you've taken a name that references what you presume to be one of your virtues. This is, I suspect, a little like a skunk naming itself for its stench.
Now, look what you've made me say. You've always been able to bring out the most extreme in me, old friend. And I do still name you a friend, for all that you weary me. Yes, I'm disappointed. Perpetually, as you put it. Is not the destruction we have wrought enough? The worlds you now tread bear the touch and design of Adonalsium. Our interference so far has brought nothing but pain. My path has been chosen very deliberately. Yes, I agree with everything you have said about Rayse, including the severe danger he presents. However, it seems to me that all things have been set up for a purpose, and if we—as infants—stumble through the workshop, we risk exacerbating, not preventing, a problem.
Rayse is captive. He cannot leave the system he now inhabits. His destructive potential is, therefore, inhibited. Whether this was Tanavast’s design or not, millennia have passed without Rayse taking the life of another of the sixteen. While I mourn for the great suffering Rayse has caused, I do not believe we could hope for a better outcome than this. He bears the weight of God’s own divine hatred, separated from the virtues that gave it context. He is what we made him to be, old friend. And that is what he, unfortunately, wished to become. I suspect that he is more a force than an individual now, despite your insistence to the contrary. That force is contained, and an equilibrium reached.
You, however, have never been a force for equilibrium. You tow chaos behind you like a corpse dragged by one leg through the snow. Please, hearken to my plea. Leave that place and join me in my oath of nonintervention. The cosmere itself may depend upon our restraint.
AXIES' HUBRIS
I'd like to use this section to call attention to an easily miss-able detail about spren, and then leave you to theorize about it.
In The Way of Kings, at the end of Interlude I-5, Axies is dragged off to prison. He's oddly cheerful about the event, and says/thinks the following:
"It appears I'll have another chance to search for captivityspren." Odd, how those had eluded him all these years, despite numerous incarcerations. He was beginning to consider them mythological.
Now consider Chapter 62 of this book, when Kaladin is imprisoned:
He stood, waving away some strange spren like taut wires crossing before him, then forced himself to do a set of push-ups.
These are captivityspren. Why does Kaladin see them, when Axies never has, despite being imprisoned way more than Kaladin ever has been? We've been told that observation and emotion and circumstances all influence the appearance of spren. Ask yourself, given what you know about Axies, if you think he ever truly felt trapped or confined in any of the times he's been imprisoned. Then compare that to Kaladin's thoughts in the chapters he's in jail.
HOID IS/IS NOT A LIGHTWEAVER
You've all noticed and have been commenting on Hoid's "illusiony" abilities, particularly when he's in storymode. He's been doing the illusion thing a lot throughout this read-along. His sand/smoke history lesson for Siri way back in Warbreaker was especially noteworthy. It's time to come clean... Hoid is a Lightweaver. But also, Hoid is not a Lightweaver.
We can't have trivia posts being simple now, can we? You're going to start noticing that the Surges in this series, some of them anyway, are more fundamental when it comes to the workings of the Cosmere. Few of the other magic systems we've seen so far have the same level of "fundamentalness".
Cast your mind back, if you will, to the later half of Elantris. In that book, Raoden figured out how to use Aons to create an illusion around himself, allowing him to pretend to be normal. What do you think a Rosharan would say if they saw him do that? They'd say he was Lightweaving. And they'd be more right than wrong. Lightweaving is a Surge on Roshar, and it one of the fundamental commonalities that Investiture as a whole encompasses. Many magic systems have a way to create illusions and calling that Lightweaving would be recognized by more than just Rosharans.
In fact, on Yolen, once upon a time, there was a magic system that was just called Lightweaving; it's that fundamental. Hoid is a Yolish Lightweaver, which doesn't involve any sort of spren bond. As mentioned, many magic systems could claim to be, or invoked Lightweaving, but the Rosharan variant is the closest to the original Yolish version. Sanderson has said, however, that the Rosharan variant is much more powerful.
This is info from the previously mentioned Dragonsteel Prime, which is meant to be the story of The Shattering. Sanderson has talked about his failed attempts to rewrite and update that particular story, which included 2 direct prequels, which are meant to be Hoid's origin story. Those books were called The Liar of Partinel and The Lightweaver of Rens. Neither of these books have been released because Sanderson was really unsatisfied with them. That whole saga is eventually going to be re-written, but concrete plans are still up in the air. What we do know is that he'll be writing them before the final Space Era of Mistborn. They're likely to be his next big project after The Stormlight Archive finishes.
LHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
A quick bit of trivia about Lhan, whom we see in Interlude I-12. Lhan was a pretty major character in The Way of Kings Prime. He was heavily intertwined with the plot point about whether or not Taln was a madman or a real Herald. Since that arc was cut, Lhan didn't have a place in the story anymore. He appears here as a nod to his previous involvement with the story.
Also, way back in Chapter 5 of The Way of Kings, one of the books Shallan mentioned she had studied was called Topics by Barlesha Lhan. The two characters are not related, per interview information.
ARTWORK
The Cosmere has a thriving community of artists, so there will be a lot of artwork to share. Each week I'll try to compile relevant artwork for the given chapters. If a section of reading contains maps or in-book artwork, I'll include that in this section as well.
MEMES
I will attempt to find and share memes relevant to each week's discussion. There may be some weeks that just don't have good or appropriate memes, but I will share all the ones I can find in this section.