r/mildlyinfuriating • u/dangerz • 6h ago
wet socks This flight delay should be a cancellation. Does this make it so they don’t have to offer overnight hotel stays?
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u/SlaveToShopping 5h ago
Was this from the cargo plane crash in Miami? It shut down the entire airport.
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u/SaltyCrashNerd 5h ago
Two runways are back open, per the NTSB briefing. (Still, MAJOR delays. I’d consider looking at Brightline.)
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u/SilentBumblebee3225 RED 4h ago
Airlines usually prioritize long distance flights. Orlando to Miami flight is at the bottom of priority list in that regard.
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u/throwaway4231throw 3h ago
Brightline is the move. Can book any flight out of Orlando Airport instead and take the train directly to the airport from Miami.
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u/bc19059 5h ago
honestly it’s possible. any delay at a major airport can cause mass disruptions across the country. regardless of if you’re going anywhere near that city
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u/NotActuallyMeta 4h ago
Especially when the destination is the airport that had a major crash and shutdown..
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u/Aware_Parsley3827 4h ago
yes ATC was limiting the amount of planes that can land or depart from MIA at the time.
it’s one of the longest runways and obviously no one can land there bc well theres a giant fucking plane in the way lol
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u/THE_COOL_JAMES 4h ago
Yup I had a 3;17 out of Miami today, got out of there at 9:30. Was brutal but got $200 per person in my party from the airline.
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u/pompomdotcomcom 6h ago
No, they would still need to comp a hotel
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u/Bright-Pilot-3970 5h ago
I thought trump got rid of passenger protections like that when you fly? I don't think they have to offer you anything anymore.
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u/SeriouslySlyGuy 5h ago
I don’t even get a full can of soda any more. Just a stupid half cup that’s full of ice and got a shot of fluid poured in.
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u/Costco_Bob 5h ago
Who do you fly with? I get a full can with United still.
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u/BeneficialFig1170 5h ago
last I flew united, got it poured in a plastic cup, barely half the can
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u/Costco_Bob 5h ago
I always just ask for the can since i dont want the cup or ice anyways and they have always given it
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u/BeneficialFig1170 5h ago
I did last time, they said no 😥
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u/Legal_Map_7586 5h ago
Really? Last time I flew United (a few months ago), they poured some into the plastic cup and handed me the rest of the can. I didn’t even ask.
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u/BeneficialFig1170 5h ago
I'm flying through united on Friday, will let you know my experience lol
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u/ScienceBitch89 5h ago
I get sparkling water and they give me the can I don’t think it’s a popular choice
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u/JustSayinCaucasian 5h ago
The trick is you ask them for the can of soda and they will give you the can and then the cup of ice on the side. I fly a lot for work and it works every time.
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u/_Viva_La_Revolucion_ 5h ago
Was offered peanut, not a bag of peanuts... But a single peanut.
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u/thevoodooclam 5h ago
I asked the flight attendant for some water and she punched me in the face 😔
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u/csonny2 5h ago
You got your own peanut?! We had to share one on my flight, everyone got to suck on it for 30 seconds
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u/yourbadinfluence 1h ago
First person gets to swallow it, then when they poop it out, it gets rinsed off for the next person. Same peanut works for several passengers, more if they give laxatives.
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u/notanamateur 5h ago
What shit airline are you flying that isn’t handing you the full can?
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u/SuchCoolBrandon 5h ago
we stopped flying united airlines in 2011 because they made my wife and i split a can of soda with two strangers and we all had to sip from the same damn can —Ken M
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u/OblivionJunkie 5h ago
Sounds like SW
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u/mailslot 5h ago
Or Frontier
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u/mallyskies 5h ago
Nah, Frontier doesn’t give you anything at all. If you want a soda you pay for it and get a full can.
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u/Hot_Coffee_3620 5h ago
A hundred years ago, Frontier used to give everyone a warm orange muffin while boarding. Since Denver was the hub, I got two, warm orange muffins again. Those were really the days.
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u/mintskoal 4h ago
When I first moved to Denver like 18 years ago Frontier was amazing. Those muffins or cookies, decent seats, friendly staff.
Now if you fly on them out of Denver you get sent to the depths of the basement and bussed to your plane so they don’t have to pay for a gate.
Quite an impressive example of enshittification
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u/Global-Chipmunk-3959 5h ago
I remember they came to collect the can once and I said I I put it in my bag to take with me cause I had a long trip from the airport and they said it was regulation that they had to take it back and they took the unopened can back. I don’t think they were being cheap. I think they actually had to do it because they seemed like they were reasonable flight attendant and I don’t think they would’ve given me a hard time if they didn’t have to.
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u/DoneWithIt0101 5h ago
I remember Southwest used to do that. I got a full can on Jetblue during my recent flights.
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u/Tillysnow1 4h ago
I've always wondered if the flight attendants would say no if you asked for the full can. The last flights I've taken had all drinks included in economy (yes, even alcohol) so technically it's easier for them, instead of you asking for refills?
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u/godihatepeople 57m ago
every time i ask for the can, they give it to me. i shouldn't have to, but you can can, as it were.
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u/Anning312 5h ago
I was offered a 15 dollar voucher, I could only get a bottle of coke and a bag of chip
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u/the_original_kermit 3h ago
Source? Because I don’t believe that is true from what I can tell.
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u/MotorBobcat5997 3h ago
It’s something that he wants to do but hasn’t done it yet
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u/the_original_kermit 3h ago
By him, you mean congress? Because I’m pretty sure they will be the ones having to pass it.
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u/oncomingstorm777 5h ago
This is not true.
ETA: okay, i looked into it further and it’s not the case for frontier, but is for every other domestic airline, including American.
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u/Global-Chipmunk-3959 5h ago
They repealed these protections beginning October 19 2026.
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u/pompomdotcomcom 4h ago edited 4h ago
That doesn’t mean it isn’t still part of most major airlines’ policies. Including American, as shown here
Also, it isn’t October yet
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u/Critical_Bread1228 6h ago
Not necessarily. Airlines do anything they can to not cancel a flight. If the flight is cancelled, they will have to make accommodations to get you to your destination. If a delay is overnight, 95% of the time you’ll be eligible for a hotel room
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u/Money-Computer7638 5h ago
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u/Dimtar_ 5h ago
“ladies and gentlemen we are offering a $500 credit and a first class upgrade to the first volunteer willing to become unruly in order for us to refuse to provide hotel compensation to the rest of you”
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u/wrtcdevrydy 5h ago
If they wouldn't get blasted on social media by 100 randos with a phone, this would totally be a thing.
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u/tackleboxjohnson 4h ago
Unscheduled runway maintenance probably covers em
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u/MrdnBrd19 2h ago
It's not even "runway" it's maintenance on the aircraft itself, and airliners need near constant maintenance. Even if they can't find some mechanical excuse they can say something in the cabin needed work, because they always do.
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u/Panaka 5h ago
This move is to protect metrics. Controllable Cancels are a pretty big deal for some carriers and they will go to absurd lengths to prevent them. Cancelling this and creating an extra section also can complicate things on the backend with passengers and crew.
Back when I worked for a Delta Connections Carrier we were not allowed to cancel a flight for anything other than weather and even then they’d force us to hold onto the flight for days. Delta was really big on days without a controllable cancellation or even any cancellation and called them “Brand Days.” We had multiple flights that we delayed out 7 days and operated empty just to protect these “Brand Days.”
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u/no_talent_ass_clown it's a moo point 5h ago
Asinine
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u/Panaka 4h ago
You’re telling me.
One time we had a plane that had to do an unscheduled engine change in one of our “out stations” where we only had contract maintenance. Delta was our contract maintenance, but their mechanics were somehow always busy so we had to fly in our own mechanics from another city every single day to do this engine change. Since our mechanics didn’t have SIDA badges for this station, they needed an escort from Delta, but Delta could only escort them in 15 minute intervals. It took us 5 days to change the engine in 15 minute intervals after it took a day and a half to get an engine there in the first play.
We were down to the wire and on taxi out the other engine started running too hot, so we had to return to gate. After 7 days, we just didn’t have the resources to waste on a revenue flight that no one was flying on. When I called Atlanta ROC to tell them we were having to cancel a 7 day delayed empty flight, I was verbally lambasted for being bad at my job for ruining a “Brand Day.”
So incredibly happy I don’t work under that brand anymore.
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u/tarantuletta 33m ago
Well holy shit this is a level of incompetent I wish I didn't know existed. Jesus Christ I'm so sorry you had to deal with that and so happy you are out and don't have to anymore.
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u/Chance-Kangaroo4088 5h ago
This isn’t true.
We had an international flight a couple of years ago on Delta. About 2 hours before we were going to head to the airport, I got a text that our flight had been cancelled. The text said they couldn’t find an alternative for us, but they “could refund our fare for airline credit.” Nevermind that we had a paid for hotel and plans in and around Rome.
I was able to get tickets on another airline and I spent months fighting Delta trying to get our money back not as Delta airlines credit.
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u/monkeypan 5h ago
Trump removed those protections and airlines don't have to do squat
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u/VirtualMatter2 4h ago
Vote populist, find out that they don't care about the country or it's people...
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u/eka71911 4h ago
I was recently stranded overnight and the airline said they didn’t have to comp hotels because the overnight delay was not their fault, but a combination of weather and regulations (crew legally could not fly long enough to reach our destination, no replacement crew available in the remote place we got diverted to). They said to sleep in the airport if we couldn’t afford a hotel 😃
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u/RadosAvocados 5h ago edited 4h ago
I'm a former AA employee. If the delay is caused by AA (crew called in sick, mechanical issue, etc) then you will still be given a hotel. If you want to cancel your trip then you'll also be refunded. If the delay was caused by weather or ATC, you wouldn't be given a hotel anyway.
This has nothing to do with paying for hotels and everything to do with operational recovery, because the airplane and crew are needed in Miami in the morning.
This is still way better than a cancellation, especially during a holiday when the next flight with room might not be for a few days.
edit: the company policy was that if it was delayed over 90 minutes into the next calendar day because of something within the airline's control, they will issue hotels).
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u/betrayx 5h ago
Yep. Had a 10:10pm flight on American delayed by weather at DFW until 9:20AM the next morning and they basically told me to go fuck myself because it was weather and not crew or mechanical. Had to go out of pocket for a hotel room. Got a $50 flight credit for e-mailing customer service.
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u/atomicampersand 5h ago
Out of curiosity, what would be the policy if it were something like extended extreme weather? Like a snowstorm bad enough that they could be 95% certain they wouldn't be able to take off until at least the next morning?
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u/RadosAvocados 4h ago
During hurricane season it happens where a city won't have any flights for 3-4 days. You can either cancel for a refund, or wait it out until something opens up.
Sometimes there will be long delays on a single flight (like OP's situation). This happens because cancelling a flight really is a last resort. The company still wants that flight to operate, and it's probably needed in Miami in the morning.AA (and I imagine other airlines) only cancel when it's 100% clear that they won't be able to operate. The airline's dispatch office is the department that decides whether a flight will cancel.
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u/atomicampersand 4h ago
Okay, thanks for the explanation! I really don't fly often and have been lucky so far with timing on the rare chance I do, so my personal experience is super limited.
That sounds super stressful for the logistics people trying to make things actually work. I've heard that a lot of airlines operate on a just-in-time model rather than a just-in-case, and coming from a "two is one and one is none" job environment, that would make me so anxious!
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u/Tarc_Axiiom 6h ago
Not like this.
I had a flight delayed 19 hours in 30 minute increments once for this exact reason.
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u/banana_pencil 5h ago
Omg I hate those incremental delays
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u/Striking_Elk_7367 5h ago
they just keep stringing you along so you can't leave the airport. it's the worst
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u/existenceawareness 1h ago
So you can't even sleep on the floor because you perpetually might miss the flight? Isn't that like a form of torture? It shouldn't be legal.
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u/TheManWhoWasNotShort 5h ago
At this point the airline should’ve just rented a pair of buses and drove you there
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u/eugeneugene 5h ago
I was given a hotel stay when my layover was delayed from 7am to 7pm lol. I think you'd be able to get a hotel stay for an overnight delay no problem
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u/Luxray92 5h ago
Airlines will do everything they can to not cancel a flight because doing so hurts their metrics and those aren't seats they can get back. Currently AA has cancelled dozens of flights over the last couple of days due to the ongoing situation with the cargo plane crash @ MIA airport Sunday afternoon. Over 400 flights to and from MIA have been delayed and over 100 flights have been cancelled, Every hotel in Miami is booked and hundreds of people are currently sleeping @ MIA intl overnight. Pretty much all airlines have delayed their flights to Tuesday in the hope things will be smoother
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u/Dalience6678 5h ago
It’s delayed when its the same flight number and destination. That’s why they distinguish between “delays” and “significant delays” when it comes to compensation you’re entitled to.
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u/orange_window_cat 4h ago
American Airlines is horrible. Ive never flown with them since I saw them tell a pregnant lady with a toddlerhat they wont comp her a hotel and that the best they could do was put her on a 7 am flight at chicago o hare when it was already past 11 pm and all the food was closed. Its fucking inhumane. American is a joke.... book with them is FAFO
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u/ilikedogs666 4h ago
Fuck American Airlines. I literally will never fly with them again as long as I live
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u/jmedina94 2h ago
I witnessed one of their flight attendants put their hand in a passengers face for asking a simple question nicely about when we were taking off. Over 10 years after, I flew them again thinking things changed. Nope. Another flight attendant started laughing at a passenger asking for water. Walked to baggage claim, got our bags, and said I’ll never fly them again.
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u/ilikedogs666 4h ago
This is giving me flashbacks to when American Airlines left me stranded in the Dominican Republic for over two days by repeatedly delaying and cancelling my flights over and over. Absolutely horrible experience and I vowed to NEVER fly with AA again in my entire life. With my entire chest, FUCK AMERICAN AIRLINES
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u/largemargesentme__- 2h ago
Former captain here (for a different airline). Sometimes things break and we're not sure if we can fix it or not. Maybe you're at an outstation and contract maintenance is trying to get a part. Maybe we're trying to fly a part in or a mechanic. Maybe a crew timed out and we're trying to deadhead someone else in. So you take a delay and hope the problem can be fixed, even if you're not sure.
But yeah, I've also seen airlines delay delay delay so they don't have to pay for things.
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u/cube_icecream26 5h ago
This is still considered a delay, its delayed overnight. And depending on the reason why its been delayed overnight would mean if your offered hotel.
Due to what happened at the airport in Miami most of these flights delay or cancellation are considered something out of the Airlines fault and in that case your not given a hotel.
Keep an eye on the flight and yeah maybe Brightline might be a better option all things considered.
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u/Ok-Salamander-1830 4h ago
It depends on the type of delay. There are many times that delays become overnights due to curfew or staffing restrictions. The plane still needs to get to the next stop and so do the people, so instead of trying to rebook people on full flights the next day and getting stuck with an extra plane, they will fly it out the next day with the passengers. If the delay was due to maintenance or a crew issue (if crew issue is not related to weather), you should have hotel covered. If it is weather, airport issues, or something that is not viewed as in the airlines control, it will not be comped.
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u/CL3Onsite 3h ago
Airlines don't have to comp passengers when the delay is outside of the airlines control. In this case it would fall under extraordinary circumstance due to the plane crash, and the FAA shutting down MIA. This is the same rule the airlines followed so they didn't have to cover hotels, and meals for passangers after 9/11.
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u/freeball78 6h ago
transportation . gov/airconsumer/airline-cancellation-delay-dashboard
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u/Fontreview 5h ago
Link no longer works. Yay for Republican government!
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u/freeball78 1h ago
It's not a link genius. There's a space before and after the dot so the Reddit filters don't shadow my comment...
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u/ElectroStaticSpeaker 5h ago
Just sit against the wall for 12 hours. That’s what I did a few weeks ago. It was great and I got to send out lots of angry emails.
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u/molesasses 5h ago
Who flies from Orlando to Miami?? Just take brightline or drive.
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u/scodagama1 5h ago edited 5h ago
Someone who has a connection
Also isn't it like 4 hours drive? That's totally a flying distance, especially if flying intercontinental, 4 hours drive home after 12 hours flight is not fun
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u/tokril 5h ago
Yea you spend more time driving to the airport and waiting two hours before than it would be to drive that short distance
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u/polarbearskill 5h ago
If you are flying from Orlando to anywhere in Latin America you have to connect through Miami
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u/Wooden-Repeat-9200 5h ago
No, this means the flight isn’t cancelled, all the passengers have seats on the flight but it won’t depart until tomorrow. Doesn’t change the options. You can ask if you can get reimbursed if there’s a different flight option
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u/timelessblur 5h ago
Only if it was caused by an issue they could control (aka mechanical issue).
I going to guess you are not at a crew base and no way to get a crew there until the morning. Everything they have are pilots who are timed out and no flight they could scramble something for.
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u/Babylon4All 3h ago
American is required to provide you a hotel voucher.
https://www.aa.com/web/i18n/customer-service/support/customer-service-plan.html
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u/seriesspirit 3h ago
I think if it's for something in their control, they are required to offer reimbursement or hotel, forgot which. But if it's for weather, you're SOL.
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u/blehhhblooo 5h ago
I got a hotel, uber out of the airport, and meal vouchers when my flight was just delayed 4 hours
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u/Fontreview 5h ago
Check your credit card too, premium cards often offer trip delay benefits when you book the trip with that card.
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u/Mountainman1111 5h ago
If the flight cancels those seats are just gone, so you have to hope they have other seats available on different flights for you in a reasonable time. Also, the plane still has to be moved to MIA so might as well make seats available. And yes, airlines do everything they can to not cancel. Better completion statistics allows them to get better contracts from large customers.
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u/An-person 3h ago
You can always call customer service, a three hour mechanical delay made us miss our connecting flight. The gate attendant said that they wouldn’t comp the hotel stay, but talking with a rep after the fact got it refunded.
Making a customer happy keeps them coming back.
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u/mcpryon 3h ago
Allegiant has done the same thing to me. After three taxi then deplane, our flight was “rescheduled” to 11:00am the next day. Since it wasn’t canceled they paid $200 per itinerary and nothing for transportation or lodging. Had it been canceled they would have paid $200 per traveler (four of us). We had to rent a car and find a hotel on our own (racing the rest of the passengers). It was one of the biggest dick moves I’ve experienced by an airline.
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u/libertasi 3h ago
I had a flight delayed 16 hours and ended up in a hotel room. The delay was a mechanical issue. I ended up needed a second hotel the next day as I missed a connecting flight!
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u/GoldEdit 3h ago
American just lost my luggage today for the first time ever, they’re really slacking. I even checked it in at the gate and somehow it didn’t follow me home
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u/Loveya448 3h ago
This is when it benefits you to have a credit card with trip delay reimbursement. I have the Chase Sapphire Preferred, and certain expenses are covered when a trip is delayed by x amount of hours or overnight. I helped us with a hotel and meal reimbursement, as well as Lyft rides, for two trips this year. The trip will have to been booked under that card to be eligible.
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u/Comfortable_Dig7077 2h ago
They once offered my family a hotel room when ours was delayed but my mom was worried we'd miss it so we slept in the airport for some reason. Times were similar to this. I was young so may have been confused.
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u/FutureMillionMiler 2h ago
It’s because of aircraft accident + bad thunderstorms so i don’t believe that would qualify
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u/flappythepenguin 1h ago
MIA had some delay programs the last 2 days. Maybe everything was fine and that was just that flights time slot.
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u/1michael757 5h ago
Regardless, the Miami airport is one of, if not, the worst airport I’ve ever been to. That alone should qualify for a comp or refund.
Edited for punctuation that is still probably wrong.
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u/DisastrousClock5992 5h ago
They are required to comp you a hotel. There is very specific laws about this situation. Please use Google and not Reddit.
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u/polarbearskill 5h ago
It depends on why it was canceled, if it’s outside of their control, I.e. weather they don’t have to, but if their plane broke down they do.
Seeing as how they are flying to Miami and I think the entire airport is shut down due to a plane crash that could be part of it
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u/Internal_Use8954 6h ago
I’ve had flights delayed till the next morning and got a comped hotel room.