I am trying to install renoise but failing terribly…

[u/assassinsneed]

I am running the latest version of mint on an old macbook. I feel like this should be working but I also feel like I’m missing something critical or maybe I’m just dumb. I’m not sure what’s going on here. I’m pretty new to linux overall.

[u/0rito]

Capitalization matters.

[u/Laughing_Orange → u/0rito]

Linux file paths are case-sensitive. Windows is the weird one for not being case-sensitive.

[u/poisiac → u/Laughing_Orange]

that is not a linux specific thing, or a windows oddity, but rather a distro choice (or user choice in the case of gentoo, arch, etc.) to ship a file system that is case sensitive.

all modern macs (which OP seems to be using) ship with case non-sensitive APFS, and NTFS is technically case sensitive, but the windows API effectively renders it case non-sensitive for most purposes

i've never really understood the case-sensitive preference by distro devs. like, who really wants Image.webp, IMAGE.WEBP, image.webp and all other permutations to be considered unique?

edit: just realised this is r/linux4noobs, so don't really worry about what i've said, OP, u\Laughing-Orange is right for your purposes

[u/No_Hovercraft_2643 → u/poisiac]

It allows you to have the default folders capitalized, and all others lowercase, which means if you want to tab into the Music folder, it is M tab, for Documents its Doc tab, Downloads Dow tab and so on, as all upper case folders are known

[u/PestoCalabrese → u/poisiac]

Advanced answer: The reason it makes sense to be case sensitive it's because of inequivocability of paths. Let's say you are developing on a case insensitive fs: placing a path with wrong case will not brake it but as soon as you run it on a case sensitive it will not work. Or you happen to have two folders with case difference in the name and copy them to a case insensitive filesystem: it will not work in the best case. Also case insensitive might not be well defined when you add accents in names. And lastly it makes searches a bit more resource intensive. Basically it forces a developer to really intend the correct file if the system is more picky. From a user standpoint you can have case insensitive autocompletion on the shell which adds ALL the advantages of case insensitive filesystem without any drawback.

[u/super_perc → u/PestoCalabrese]

Yup, this right here is why.

[u/poisiac → u/PestoCalabrese]

i've never really thought of that, thanks for the insight :D

[u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn → u/PestoCalabrese]

I feel like "case sensitive is good because otherwise case sensitivity will result in things breaking" isn't particularly good argument for "makes sense" (although I do get that it can be practical for developers to use it). The same arguments could be used against it: Let's say you are developing on a case sensitive fs: creating two folders distinguished by case will not break it but as soon as you use it on case insensitive it won't work. Or you have a problem that works well with case incentive paths and it won't work if you copy it to case sensitive system

[u/PestoCalabrese → u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn]

Yeah thats true, but it will not break with "path not found" at least. But still, let's not use case insensitive fs, it only creates problems (eg Adobe vs Apple).

[u/Beautiful_Sector_912 → u/Laughing_Orange]

Same on MacOS

[u/something_funny66 → u/Laughing_Orange]

On windows it happens because of the filesystem, and imo it's actually good because you don't need to remember the case but just the file's name

[u/NicDima → u/Laughing_Orange]

Sorry but I do completely disagree here this time

In terms of organization, it's more reasonable to have a numbered order, instead of one being Capitalized and other all lowercase

[u/TheShredder9]

Stupid how people downvote posts like these.

In Linux, everything is case-sensitive. "Downloads" is not the same directory as "downloads". Also "downloadS".

When you are in your home directory ~ or /home/username you can go to Downloads by typing cd, space, then hit Tab once or twice and you get all available options, type in D and get all folders starting with the capital D, from there you can type "o" and hit tab again and it'll autocomplete to Downloads instead of Desktop or some other directory.

[u/assassinsneed → u/TheShredder9]

Thank you. I knew I was doing something stupid but I didn’t know what I didn’t know lol. Thanks to everyone else who commented as well.

[u/TheShredder9 → u/assassinsneed]

It's not stupid, you're just new! It's okay, we were all new once.

[u/mister_nimbus → u/TheShredder9]

This is so wholesome!

[u/TheShredder9 → u/mister_nimbus]

We must make newcomers as comfortable as possible i think. I started out with Mint too, but i learned all by myself, reading forum posts, manuals, wikis. And i will always recommend Mint to someone asking "what distro should i go with?".

[u/mister_nimbus → u/TheShredder9]

I started with Kali in college because Internet is expensive. I'm back to Mint now tho. Refreshing myself on every. It can be very frustrating. It's not helpful to get chastised by nerds because I missed something obviously not so obvious. Luckily, I work with some very encouraging people who are happy to answer questions with minimal snark.

[u/Lauuson → u/assassinsneed]

Tab completion is also your friend. Whenever I'm entering full path or filename, I only enter the first few characters and then hit tab. If it doesn't auto-complete the rest, I know I've made a syntactic mistake before I hit enter. 

You may need to hit tab twice sometimes if there are multiple matches for what you've typed so far. Tabbing twice will list all available options to you within the referenced directory. 

[u/ConfusedKayak → u/assassinsneed]

As a "nice to have" you can also add the following to your .bashrc file

bind 'set completion-ignore-case on'

Now if you start typing "documents" instead of "Documents" it will grab the right folder name when you press tab.

[u/dyno241 → u/assassinsneed]

This messed me, and a lot of people, up the first time transitioning from windows. Don't let some of these people discourage you. Youre exactly right that "you didnt know what you didnt know", and its very easy for people who DO know to forget how much of a block that is.

[u/[deleted] → u/dyno241]

It doesn't help Mac is also case insensitive despite being more similar to Linux

[u/dyno241 → u/[deleted]]

My one and only mac was a black and white display with a dot matrix printer. Did not at all remember that it was case insensitive but that's wild! Would have thought a *nix system would have the same restrictions there

[u/derPostmann → u/dyno241]

Apples current APFS can be created in both modes: case sensitiv or not. All modern filesystems in the Linux world are case sensitiv, and AFAIK there is no switch to change this.

[u/erroneousbosh → u/assassinsneed]

It's only stupid if you do it twice. Or, okay three times. Surely not four...?

[u/TheShredder9 → u/erroneousbosh]

I have done stupid things multiple times. I am slightly stupid.

[u/moya036 → u/TheShredder9]

Aren't we all? At least a little bit, but we eventually learn

[u/MursaArtDragon → u/TheShredder9]

I never knew that and have been using linux for a few years now. Thats cool to know, Thanks.

[u/ikitari → u/TheShredder9]

Documents folder: "Hi :3"

[u/TheShredder9 → u/ikitari]

Ah damn, i knew i forgot something lol

[u/ikitari → u/TheShredder9]

i hate Documents folder so much because of it :(

[u/L0cut15 → u/TheShredder9]

TAB is your friend!

[u/ZeroDayMalware]

This is VERY common when coming from Windows. Windows doesnt care about case, almost all non-Windows OSes do.

[u/Nekro_Somnia]

It's Downloads, not downloads ;)

[u/thatsgGBruh]

So first off from your screenshot, Linux is case sensitive meaning Downloads is not downloads. So you should do this:

cd ~/Downloads

Secondly, is the software available in your distribution's repository? If so you could just use apt to install it.

[u/assassinsneed → u/thatsgGBruh]

I was trying to download renoise. it is not available in the software manager but I wish it was.

[u/thatsgGBruh → u/assassinsneed]

ahh yes so once you download it, navigate to your downloads directory with the command I provided above, unzip the file and install it.

[u/Zettabite → u/assassinsneed]

Learn to double click tab, it does an LS or autofill.

cd ~/ tab tab - will show all folders cd ~/D tab tab will auto complete or LS for D*

So you don't need to memorize folder names

[u/kramulous → u/assassinsneed]

Learn to use
ls
ls -la
And look around. I never memorise where to go. I take a few steps, cd, and look around, ls. From there, and using that method, you can go anywhere and do anything.

If you had done an ls, you would have noticed that there appears to be something different between downloads and Downloads.

[u/initumX]

Dowloads, not downloads (capital D)

[u/MelioraXI]

You don't have a downloads folder, you have a Download folder. Spelling and capitalization is very important in Linux (and most OS for that matter).

[u/lunchbox651 → u/MelioraXI]

It is Downloads not Download.

[u/Mother-Pride-Fest]

run ls to see a list of files and directories in the current directory. Then type the first few characters (cd Dow) press Tab to autocomplete, and enter to run.

[u/SciCrafter]

Capitalization really does matter. Just Capitalize the D on downloads

Ive had these same troubles and it made me feel so dumb when I figured it out. I would spend hours..

[u/leopardus343]

"Downloads" is not "downloads". This is one significant and subtle difference from windows that trips a lot of newbies up, but capitalization matters for directories in linux!

[u/MasterGeekMX]

Ahh, the good ol' meme of Loki and the downloads.

here it is if you never saw it: https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/b/2/b2b5c449a1ca3c83842342315c6ab43e4b9c964f.png

[u/assassinsneed → u/MasterGeekMX]

Lmao

[u/Koo_laidTBird]

Is it working now?

And as another poster said "apt install" is seamless.

[u/assassinsneed → u/Koo_laidTBird]

It is working now I was able to get it installed

[u/Domojestic → u/Koo_laidTBird]

I think this particular piece of software wasn't available in Mint's repos.

[u/pablo5426]

linux is case sensitive. type it with a capital D

[u/bananadingding]

Okay high level advice as a beginner use tab to complete things. Start typing a command out and then hit tab if that doesn't finish the thing you're trying to type, it's not in properly.

Second look into ohmyzsh Titustech on YouTube has a great video and starting point that will easily set up syntax highlighting with that and tab completion correct commands show up in green and bad ones in red.

[u/chedder → u/bananadingding]

this... for the record though, you fucked up by not respecting capitalization.

[u/bananadingding → u/chedder]

While not an excuse for context I'm on a phone and that almost guarantees at least on ham fisted autocorrect and 2 capitalization fuck ups.

[u/Alexander_knuts1]

Yeah this problem is super annoying do CD ~/Downloads or my favorites sudo D*

[u/Alexander_knuts1 → u/Alexander_knuts1]

Cd D*

[u/rashguir]

if case sensitivity is boring, use zsh and tabulation key and enjoy

[u/assassinsneed]

Update for everyone: I successfully installed the program. I feel like a real terminal warrior now. Thanks!

[u/Master_Management_95]

D

[u/jsrobson10]

here's a tip: use tab completion while typing stuff.

if the cases are weird (like they are here), pressing tab will give you the correct casing.

[u/Austiiiiii]

It's case sensitive. :)

[u/Kotaqu]

There's no "open in terminal" option in the context menu after you press the right mouse button?

[u/assassinsneed → u/Kotaqu]

Nope. I was looking for that. Either way, I figured out what I was doing wrong.

[u/Equivalent-Silver-90]

Yeah that maybe easier than you think. Just try cd downloads,if no check where you are. Use ls command

[u/Gabochuky]

D

[u/309_Electronics]

Maybe install some tools that auto correct you. In linux and *nix, sometimes capitalisation does matter. Its ~/Desktop and ~/Downloads.

[u/o0Emme0o]

Export PS1="HI REDDIT" Will remove the need for you to scribble out your ps1.

For Linux command do cd ~/ SPAM TAB! It will show you all the available options then type Dow and press tab to finish off the word

ls will this the folders too

Stay safe

[u/C4n7_7h1nk_0f_n4m3]

Capitalization matters!

~/desktop

Doesn't exist and will not work. But

~/Desktop

Does exist and will work. Same with downloads. Capitalization is important.

[u/LegitJesus → u/C4n7_7h1nk_0f_n4m3]

Yes! Linux is case-sensitive

[u/Superok211]

no need to use cli to unpack tar archive in mint, you can do that buy just right-clicking it

[u/Majestic-Coat3855]

download zoxide from your package manager, cd ~/Downloads, then you can just type something like 'z downl' and you're there 💯

[u/SingleZero27 → u/Majestic-Coat3855]

zoxide might be the best piece of software ever written

[u/DerpyPerson636]

You are telling it to go into downloads.

You need to go into Downloads.

Capitalization is necessary. As a best practice for any command line, even if it detects lowercase paths with uppercase letters in them, always capitalize correctly.

Also, as you start typing it, if you press tab and it doesn't autofill, it's very likely you've misspelled something.

[u/Automaticpotatoboy]

Tip: right click in file manager: open in terminal

[u/Kokumotsu36]

cd ~/Downloads

[u/Ok_Caregiver_1355]

Copy and paste erros on Chatgpt is the best thing you can do

[u/SingleZero27]

Never used mint's file manager but you can probably right click in the folder and open in terminal. And going further than that, you can probably extract the archive and run whatever is inside it. On dolphin at least you can right click on a script to run it in your terminal, so in renoise's case the install script.

I know it's linux, but you probably don't need to use the terminal as much as you think!

[u/Netstormuk]

Type ls

[u/niKDE80800]

you need to cd into Downloads not downloads. easy mistake to make, but linux is very case-sensitive.

[u/National_Way_3344]

downloads? I've never seen downloads before in my life

Also downloads and Downloads is literally spelled differently, can't you type it in properly?

[u/im-d3 → u/National_Way_3344]

No need to be rude, it's an easy mistake to make when you're new to things like this

[u/AmbivalentCvckfvcker]

why did you blur out your name lil bro

[u/Deus_belli_Sama]

ahhh. it is: cd /Downloads

[u/Holiday_Evening8974 → u/Deus_belli_Sama]

Small mistake here, there's no need for / that will mean the root directory in that context.

[u/Deus_belli_Sama → u/Holiday_Evening8974]

Thanks, that's correct. It is just cd Downloads. Well. I thought because it was in the home file. cd /home/username/Downloads

[u/Deus_belli_Sama → u/Holiday_Evening8974]

He can just reset by doing cd, then cd Downloads.

[u/Deus_belli_Sama]

tar -xvzf file.tar.gz path/to/file