r/boniver • u/Substantial_Move_965 666 ʇ • 21d ago
JV WHILE CREATING ____45____
Can someone explain what number 45 signifies though? I have just completed listening to 22AM 2nd time. I think it's peak. Will definitely grow on me eventually, slowly.
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u/Baruch_Poes 21d ago
I'm confused, how is it peak AND will grow on you?
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u/Substantial_Move_965 666 ʇ 21d ago
I meant it's peak bon iver but after multiple listens time to time depending on my mood and environment it has potential to even feel better, hence it shall grow on me. Like there was huge difference in how it made me feel between my 1st and 2nd listens. Probably because I went in expecting something close to previous 2 albums.
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u/YammyBrap ____45_____ 21d ago
Thinks it’s a play on fortify
Also, there’s 4 underscores before and 5 afterwards
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u/VandLsTooktheHandLs 00000 Million 21d ago edited 21d ago
I personally like to think this was more his POV when cooking this gem up. He’s that blue/green rock there :)
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u/Substantial_Move_965 666 ʇ 21d ago
Nahhh I really just hope he was lying on the bare sand in some hawaii beach during summers🥀 I mean where else "5-lane divers" come from???
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u/VandLsTooktheHandLs 00000 Million 21d ago edited 21d ago
Holy shit dude, you just took me back down the rabbit hole.. I’ve never really thought in depth about the significance of the title until now.
It’s pretty widely considered that the main significance of 45 is the numbers total to 9.. which being the 9th song on the album. Theres also the detail of 4 underscores before and 5 underscores afterward.
That’s always been where I’ve stopped before.
One thing I have always thought about though, is the meaning behind this mantra of a song.
What’s pinned by Genius, and what a lot of people seem to go with, is an interpretation of the experience of a panic attack. I don’t buy that.
To me it’s much more straightforward and existential.
“I’ve been carved in fire” - what we’re made of; forged in the belly of a star.
“I’ve been caught in fire” - here we are cradled by the sun; given life
“What comes prior to?” - ???
“Without knowing what the truth is” - nobody knows
So then what could ____45_____ signify?
“The number 9 is revered in Hinduism and considered a complete, perfected and divine number because it represents the end of a cycle in the decimal system, which originated from the Indian subcontinent as early as 3000 BC.”
Also check this math out!
https://youtube.com/shorts/2DOSFA7pYTo?is=GnoVfIvmUr3yciET
My interpretation:
maybe the 4 and 5 represent 2 facets of existence, through duality (his favorite). Me, and you. The incomplete truths, each side of the coin.
And the underscores before and after are… the math ahead, and the math behind it ???
P.S. Your second listen!? That’s wild! I kinda wish I could go back to the beginning and experience it all over again.
It doesn’t truly peak until at least 45th listen :)
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u/Comrade_Molotov 20d ago
My interpretation is pretty simple:
Carved/caught in fire is a reflection on challenges/obstacles/trauma shaping your sense of self and character
Stayed down / without knowing what the truth is refers to needlessly bringing yourself down
I have no idea what five lane divers means lol
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u/velvetvagine 20d ago
Brainstorming here… maybe… 45 like a 45 record, going round and round, like being carved and caught and carved and caught in fire, like being trapped in a cycle without achieving an epiphany and breaking free.
And then finally that banjo at the end, representing a release from it all, a submission to the process and to life, to not knowing and knowing you’ll never actually know, and achieving a kind of peace at last…
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u/Ok_Check8170 6d ago
I’m gonna take a wild guess and say it’s a basketball jersey number and or reference to the 45th president.
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u/mightbedylan 21d ago
Idk why I think this and I have 0 evidence to back it up but I've always thought of that song title as a blacked out phone number. It's 11 characters so that fits a phone number with an extension code like X-XXX-45X-XXXX
But it's probably just a coincidence lol