r/armenia Jan 18 '22

Falsification/propaganda / Կեղծում/քարոզչություն Ukraine officially refused to recognize the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire Spoiler

https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/01/12/ukraina-otkazalas-oficialno-priznavat-genocid-armyan-v-osmanskoy-imperii
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u/Regrup Ukraine Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Hi, Ukrainian here. It's a political question. Currently Ukraine is in good relations with Turkey, while fighting for self-existence and independency for the last 8 years with agressive Muscovy Reich and it's fuhrer. So it's goes against Ukrainian national interests, BECAUSE we will might lose support of a potential ally and neighbour, or/and our relations will get more complicated and worse.

Also Armenia doesn't recognize Holodomor 1932-1933, simply bcs Muscovy Reich is against it. And votes against Ukraine during all UN votings about occupied Ukrainian territories, and it's a Muscovy Reich ally via CSTO aswell (intervention towards Kazakhstan also shows it)

I'm sure Ukraine will recognize it as soon as war will end and we restore sovereignity over our occupied territories, but until the war is going it's simply not possible and too risky for us

UPDATE: Despite the lack of official recognition, many measures are being taken in Ukraine to spread the theme of Genocide. In 2017, the Union of Armenians of Ukraine made a short film “Thank you for the chance to flourish again. Armenians ", which is broadcasted annually on the central Ukrainian TV channels as social advertising.

Also, every year until April 24, the Union of Armenians of Ukraine and regional Armenian communities hold film screenings, scientific conferences, concerts, mass events, etc.

Also some regions in Ukraine recognized Armenian genocide: Crimean parliament in Crimean autonomous republic in 2005, before occupation, Cherkasy region, Poltava region, Zaporizhzhia region

u/GregMel Jan 18 '22

Your country doesn’t have the spine to call facts for what it is (which it previously had and now is now going back on it’s words) and caves to Turkish requests, and with that kind of weak spine and decision making you’re never going to win against the Russians, quite simply because you don’t stand firm behind your own morals and most importantly your word (This will be a domino effect of other things other countries will need from you).

The argument oh well Armenia doesn’t recognize our Genocide why should we recognize theirs? Well we haven’t even heard about your Genocide, put down the elbow grease and make the world recognize it. Two independent events that have nothing to do with one another and you bring forth this dumb argument.

Either way, I don’t hate Ukraine or Ukrainians but I am very disappointed with their utter support for two bloodthirsty dictatorships just because they are beneficial to some extent to you is going to come back and hurt Ukraine.

And don’t get me wrong I don’t support Russia in this, If I was to some extent sentimental towards Ukrainians and their struggles, that is gone now.

u/Regrup Ukraine Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Your country

My country fight for it's existance for 8 years and we call facts, which is very unliked by our enemies like Muscovy Reich, we made decommunization, we banned Communistic symbols, leaders, names and equated Commies to Nazis. But it will be silly for Ukraine as a country to consciously make relations worse to one of our potential allies, which, unlike many EU countries, trade with us with lethal weapons

two bloodthirsty dictatorships

Exactly why Ukraine can't recognize genocide during war, dictators usually are very sensitive to such things, unlike democratic countries with parliaments filled with alot of fractions. And dictators can turn 180 degree bcs of such steps. Look at Lukashesko, our Presidents tried to not really tease him, until 2020 protests happened when we supported protesters, just like all civilized world and then he turn totally anti-Ukrainian and pro-Muscovy side since then.

Also it's a bit hypocritical from Armenia talking about "support for bloodthirstly dictatorship" when they are CSTO ally of Belarusian and Russian dictatorships and sent troops to intervene and surpress Kazakh people for the 3rd dictatorship

The argument oh well Armenia doesn’t recognize our Genocide why should we recognize theirs?

It can go both ways, alot of Ukrainians didn't heard about Armenian genocide aswell.

Two independent events that have nothing to do with one another and you bring forth this dumb argument.

I bringed it only bcs Muscovy Reich will surpress Armenia with something if you even try to recognize Ukrainian genocide, like sanctions or anything else. It also will worse your relations. That's why i bringed that argument