r/armenia • u/Typical_Effect_9054 • Feb 22 '25
Falsification/propaganda / Կեղծում/քարոզչություն why I’m worried about an Azerbaijani invasion of Armenia and think you should be too
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u/spetcnaz Yerevan Feb 22 '25
Oh boy the takes on that subreddit, "no moral side". Yeah, no moral side, Lets see, one side does 3 pogroms and wants to do ethnic cleansing, and does. The other side successfully defends and throws the aggressor back, which has a side effect of the aggressor's civilians leaving the lost territory. Oh my, my, so hard to tell who is the moral side, I guess we can't ever tell. Oh and one for the sides has been run by a family dictatorship for 35 years.
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u/TrappedTraveler2587 Feb 22 '25
There is definitely a moral side. It's just that on the global stage I think we are moving towards a post UN era. Back to the way things used to be: Might is right.
So you better have some good friends and a lot of guns.
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u/spetcnaz Yerevan Feb 22 '25
Well yeah, but the posters there pretend that there are no moral sides
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u/Illustrious_Wolf7594 Feb 22 '25
It was obvious this would have happened if trump won, but still the way he is almost forcing Ukraine to submit is making me feel uneasy. For the first time since the last war, I feel like we have to go full on defense mode even if it slows down economic growth. Increase defense spending buy whatever we can, it might be our last chance.
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u/Sacred_Kebab Feb 22 '25
For the first time since the last war, I feel like we have to go full on defense mode even if it slows down economic growth. Increase defense spending buy whatever we can, it might be our last chance.
People should have felt this way all along, but Pashinyan sold them a false sense of security. Now it might be too late.
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u/nocanola Feb 22 '25
A year ago, this comment would have been downvoted to hell. There is hope for this sub after all.
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u/AccomplishedBuy9768 Yerevan Feb 22 '25
You guys are really obsessed with being perceived as victims.
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u/nocanola Feb 22 '25
Who is you guys?
I’m not a victim. His citizens are.
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u/AccomplishedBuy9768 Yerevan Feb 22 '25
Who is you guys?
Anti-pashinyan diasporans with enlightened takes such as "spend more on defense spending" (we're already spending more than we ever did).
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u/TrappedTraveler2587 Feb 22 '25
I just don't think you understand the gravity of the situation and the absolute dedication to defense that must be shown.
The whole "procupine" strategy needs to be very obvious and public. Essentially it needs to be insanely clear that any invasion of Armenia is just impossible, but right now it's more like 'improbable' and certainly not if say Israel was to bomb Iran, then bing bang boom AZ invades Syunik while Iranians are distracted. Perhaps Turkey moves in to 'keep the peace' or whatever bullshit is spun.
The point here is, there isn't confidence neither in Armenia nor abroad that an invasion right now isn't possible, hence this rhetoric.
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u/AccomplishedBuy9768 Yerevan Feb 22 '25
No, it's bullshit and fearmongering. We ARE buying whatever weaponry we can, and the defense budget keeps increasing.
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u/nocanola Feb 22 '25
Maybe us enlightened diasporas are still scratching our heads over many things that current government has done, such as paying $6 million for a Snoop Dogg concert (didn’t even happen).
How many drones could that have purchases.
The invasion is coming, it isn’t a matter of if. Those European observers will be as useless as Russian peacekeepers. They know where they get their oil from.
Nobody defends a country that can’t defend itself.
Aliyev does not bluff. They will get their corridor. The only question is what price we will make them pay.
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u/AccomplishedBuy9768 Yerevan Feb 22 '25
Maybe us enlightened diasporas are still scratching our heads over many things that current government has done, such as paying $6 million for a Snoop Dogg concert
Tourism industry is important and brings money into the budget. This is a very simple and easy to understand idea. You can complain about the implementation, but saying that we shouldn't invest in it at all because "we could buy drones instead" is stupid.
Again, we are spending more on defense that we ever did.
Those European observers will be as useless as Russian peacekeepers
So far they've been pretty useful.
They will get their corridor. The only question is what price we will make them pay.
What the fuck is this.
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u/nocanola Feb 22 '25
What the fuck is this? The truth. And you will blame the naghkiner after.
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u/AccomplishedBuy9768 Yerevan Feb 22 '25
It's not the truth, it's a bullshit prediction from a fearmongerer.
The truth is that our defense spending is higher than ever and we're buying more weapons from all over the world.
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u/T-nash Feb 22 '25
Even when someone wants to write pro Armenian articles, they can't find the right information. We have failed the get the truth out while revised and distorted history has become the default to whoever wants to research the subject. Unfortunately even Armenians don't know their history in their own defense. This is terrible.
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Feb 22 '25
On a related topic, I need to refresh my knowledge about the history of the conflict. From Stalin handing the land to Azerbaijan to all the massacres happened afterwards along the years. I want an objective source, if it can be found, please
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u/Top_Recognition_1775 Feb 22 '25
Might was always right, the opposite is an illusion.
Ukraine wasn't the precedent, Kosovo was.
But at that time NATO was the king dog, so they could do it and channel their sith lord "I will make it legal."
Russia took example from that and said, "ok we can do that too."
But Ukraine is a really bad example, because most of the country is former Russia that was "gifted" under the pretense that "We are brother nations forever."
It's like a divorce where the husband wants his ring back.
NATO is like a chad that tempts other people's wives (mostly with money.) Like a homewrecker.
They do this because their own oligarchs and billionaires invest money in "emerging markets" and they want a return on their investment.
They pumped money into Ukraine, they want their rare earth minerals, they want their return on investment.
With Russia they will never get paid, so the European oligarchs are angry and beating the war drums.
Same thing with Venezuela or hell most of LATAM.
They put money into it, they want a return.
The US waged a CIA campaign against Guatemala in the 50's literally over a fruit company.
A famous Kissenger quote : "The US is dangerous to its enemies, but fatal to its friends."
The best strategy for Armenia is to tone down the rhetoric, and quietly increase its international stature, to become an unappetizing target.
Create engineering works like the maginot line.
And avoid pissing off NATO or the Russians.
Eventually I think Armenia will have its time in the sun again, you just have to wait for circumstances to be better.
Aliyev would have to be stupid to pull something.
And frankly the US is on the verge of putting Turkey on its shitlist, Erdogan is on very thin ice, they can easily start supplying the Kurds and make Kurdistan Great Again.
Trump will probably do a deal with Iran to normalize relations, that's good for us, Pezeshkian has been angling for rapproachment, and there's a 50/50 chance it will happen.
But the big kahuna is creating a new security framework between NATO and Russia, that will free up all kinds of resources on both sides.
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u/IndependentEye123 Feb 22 '25
Yeah, like Russia did not create our problems to begin with.
Your Russian propaganda doesn't sell here, buddy. Assad, Pashinyan, and many other have been abandoned by Putin and his idiots. Russia is the worst ally ever.
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Feb 24 '25
This has felt pretty inevitable for some time now. Much like Palestine, Armenia will diminish in increments as you put it. For this reason, it is more sensible to me that Armenians disperse and discontinue this soviet byproduct as safely as possible, because reality is, no one, especially the apathetic diaspora, will cater to this rendition of Armenia. The innocent livelihoods are worth more than the barest sovereignty at this rate, and I'd much rather the enemies redirect their jihad urges on each other instead.
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