To the question of how it looks? I’d say a petition that was given up on surging back to the top of the board with no-one promoting it is a pretty meaningful difference, yeah.
None of the others were dismissed out of hand, even under the tories. They went through the procedure of giving them a debate, and that’s the win here. Which you know, because in previous comments you were trying to downplay the debate. Now you’re saying it won’t even get that far? Based on what? And which is it?
Ah, so it’s NOT getting filed in the bin. Thanks for clarifying!
It means any MP who wants to talk about it now has an opportunity to without Starmer arranging the debate schedule like the issue doesn’t exist. It means the public gets an opportunity to see how MPs react. It means the pro-European alternatives to Labour get a hearing in front of their target audience.
You can minimise that win if you like, but it IS a win.
You do realise the whole point of the petitions committee system is to minimise?
It gives the public a way to provide input in a way that will never result in any real change, but still give the public this "we're doing something" mentality, exactly so they don't go do something that would result in real change.
I see that the reasons to dismiss the win is less important to you than the desire to dismiss it, judging by how quickly we flit between justifications.
I see more relevance in that then the venue for the debate.
It gives the public a way to provide input in a way that will never result in any real change, but still give the public this "we're doing something" mentality, exactly so they don't go do something that would result in real change.
You've really fallen for it, hook, line and sinker, system working as intended.
If you think the point was to get Starmer to change his mind, that any of us had hopes this would immediately reverse Brexit, then you’re arguing past the point.
It’s a forum, in an administration that otherwise would’ve pretended the issue doesn’t exist & made sure other MPs who have something to say don’t say it.
Other things need to happen, true. And they will. And this contributes to that, because it’s a win, however hard you have to dig to satisfy a desire to doubt.
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u/SaltyW123 Éire Feb 12 '25
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Close the borders! Suspend ALL immigration for 5 years! - Petitions
Been around a month less and has more than double the signatures, not looking great ngl.
Fortunately, neither of these will do anything, but it sums up the sentiment, I think.