r/VoidCats • u/Recent-Hovercraft310 • 19h ago
Visible Void New void cat owner. Are these stripes hidden within the void common issue standard?
My void is black black. Great void form. But when he gets in the sun I notice these stripes that come out. (He has an orange brother that we adopted together. Idk if that matters) I’m a new first time void owner so I don’t know if the stripes are common or if this one is a little different?
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u/Queso_Dias 19h ago
It's a ghost tabby! You'll see the stripes more in the sun and when they're kittens. Sometimes they fade more when they're adult but you'll still always be able to see the faint stripes.
It means they have tabby genes (either from mother or father)
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u/Recent-Hovercraft310 15h ago
I learned something new today thanks to you!! We shall see what happens with Disco!
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u/raybreezer 14h ago
We have a ghost tabby also! I didn’t realize they were a thing until we noticed stripes on our void.
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u/Altruistic_Rock9395 13h ago edited 1h ago
IIRC it's the same principle as black panthers - they're achkshually not a separate species, just leopards with a genetic overproduction of dark pigments (melanism). Your kitty has a tabby blueprint, it's just "black on black". He's also adorable btw
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u/Queso_Dias 14h ago edited 9h ago
My void is a ghost tabby also! I think the only breed of cat that is truly solid black is a Bombay. Most other black cats are mixed breeds and it's super common for cats to have tabby genes. That's why you might see a litter of cats that all look different- some orange, some black, some gray... And some of the kittens in that same litter might have the tabby genes from one or both of their parents where you'll see the faint stripes. It's pretty cool!
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u/fireflake91 18h ago
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u/fireflake91 18h ago
He did try and eat some of my stickers here when he was rambunctious teenage kitten
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u/blbd 18h ago
Melanistic tabby pattern. Some have it when young. Some permanently. Like a black jaguar.
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u/Tariovic 16h ago
Fun fact - a panther is just a jaguar, puma or leopard with melanism, i.e. too much black pigment. You can still see any markings when the light catches them, just like OP's cat.
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u/Cat_Lady3000 19h ago
Yes all black cats are tabbies! Your void should become darker with age. Mine was fully black by 6months old and had the same lighter coat as a kitten
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u/rewindpaws 18h ago
All black cats?
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u/Cat_Lady3000 18h ago
Yep! Put them in the sun and you will see their stripes.
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u/DingDongTaco 18h ago
My cats in the sun all the time for 13 years and I’ve never seen stripes on him :/
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u/_awkwardhugs 17h ago
I don’t think all black cats have tabby stripes although it is common. My black cat came from a litter of tuxedo cats and he does not have tabby stripes.
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u/Cat_Lady3000 15h ago
They do, it's part of the genes that control pattern which is separate from color. It can be challenging to see but in the right light it will show
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u/watermelonpeach88 18h ago
i think it may matter if they are other breeds. like maybe all the skinny black cats?? i had a (what i assume to be) norwegian forest cat that was like 13 lbs, double coat...no stripes at any point. she was sort of dark brown in the bright sun, and then a grayish undercoat. absolutely no trace of tabby characteristics. 🤷🏽♀️ but i'm also not a hardcore cat-ist lol
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u/reallynoladarling 16h ago
not all, but maybe a good bit of them. i have one "ghost tabby" & one that's pretty much pure black.
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u/wetwaspwednesday 12h ago
I'm a cat gene nerd and I can confirm this! All black cats do have stripes, some are just so hard to see you basically can't see them at all. Stripes are caused by banding in the hair between the stripes, caused by the Agouti gene. Solid cats do not have this noticable banding but they do still have stripes, even if you can't really see them. It's most easily noticed on kittens and brown + cinnamon cats.
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u/nikkiunderwaves 16h ago edited 14h ago
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u/ColettesWorld 18h ago
Normal! All my black cats have a slight red/brown undertone that's only visible in sunlight. My first void also had vitiligo so he started slowly turning white with age lol
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u/Dapper-Ad9787 18h ago
Yes, all cat colours stem from the original tabby, so that's the default peeping through.
If you ever see a black leopard or jaguar in a zoo in bright sunlight, you can see their rosettes behind the black as well.
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u/twilighttwister 15h ago
Fun fact: you may well have stripes also, and this is part of how your cat recognises you. It's just your stripes aren't visible to human eyes, but they are are to cats.
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u/gros-grognon 18h ago
All cats are tabbies! Just sometimes the stripes are only one colour and run together.
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u/Half_Halt 12h ago
Reminds me of Rudyard Kipling's description of Bagheera in The Jungle Book: "inky black all over, but with the panther markings showing up in certain lights like the pattern of watered silk"
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u/mercurialpanties 7h ago
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u/mercurialpanties 7h ago
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u/mercurialpanties 7h ago
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u/JelloDesign 16h ago
I believe this is called ghost tabby, something i recently found out. Our front neighbors cat had 3 kittens. One is toxido. One is a orange tabby and one black ghost tabby. It really hits different. Its totally cool.
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u/Connect_Rhubarb395 15h ago
r/hewillbebaked
You baked the orange tabby for too long and it got burnt.
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u/Rehauu 15h ago
So far, every void or tux I've seen in the sun had faint stripes, including my tux boy. The gene for "black fur" is actually a gene that increases melanin. The color or pattern underneath is still there, just made super dark.
Also, in both animals and people, there is no true black, only different amounts of dark brown, because melanin isn't black either.
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u/Psudodrake 13h ago
The scientific name for the domestic house cat is "Felinus Domesticus Pantheris"
Even in nature, the "Black Panther" is merely a melanistic Leopard
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u/StonkycadeV2 12h ago
A black coat can come from melanism (genetic mutation), which darkens existing fur while the underlying pattern remains
This also occurs with big cats like leopards or jaguars, you can see their patterns too just like with your sweet boy :) Some cats do just have black coats though
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u/Kenai_Tsenacommacah 11h ago
Yes. It's called the "ghost tabby" effect. Black cats are technically tabbies with higher melanin.
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u/LitheFider 17h ago
My void is black brownish in sunlight, but no pattern. So I think you have the Tabby who's just mostly black. 🤗
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u/ILootEverything 16h ago
Yes, and many greybies have ghost stripes too! They're all just different ink saturations of tabby.
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u/notwithagoat 16h ago
There are almost no pure black cats anymore and most are some form of tabby or so im told.
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u/anothercairn 16h ago
So, fun fact. All cats have stripes. Only some cats have distinction in the intensity of the pigment such that it can be noticed with the naked eye in a dark room, but it would be visible in bright light (as seen here) or under a scope.
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u/UnderstandingBig9090 10h ago
Technically all cats have stripes. It just depends on how visable they are. Had a grey cat that you could look really close and notice stripes.
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u/Strostkovy 17h ago
Yes. And black cats are actually a very dark brown. An extremely burnt orange, if you will
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u/Rich_Nothing_4746 16h ago
It’s so his prey can’t determine his speed or direction of travel accurately haha!
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u/cluelesslygaming 16h ago
My void also has stripes (so does my grey tux). They were more noticeable as a kitten, but shes two now and they're still visible in sunlight!
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u/Few-Interaction-4933 16h ago
That's no void, but he's adorable. What's his name?
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u/inarealdaz 15h ago
It's something that can happen. Our void's color is black on black smoke and he's striped, which your can only see when the light hits him just right.
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u/Consistent_Cheetah78 14h ago
Sometimes. Have several voids… the one that is triple black had no stripes. The tuxie had stripes. I wish they would have stayed because they looks SO COOOOL. He did grow out of them. 😭
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u/Vequihellin 13h ago
Standard? No but melanistic tabbies are very very common among the void variants. My own Mr Enzo is a melanistic tabby as opposed to a 'true black void'. It's the domestic cat equivalent to a black leopard.
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u/sheekgeek 13h ago
Black cats, orange cats, and standard issue grey cats all are genetic variants of the grey cat with stripes.
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u/OkTemperature8170 9h ago
Issue? No. When my cat went missing I set up a bunch of night vision stuff and you'd be surprised how many voids are actually striped but you just can't see it.
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u/hahagato 8h ago
My baby has lots of ghost stripes too! But they’re only visible in certain lights.
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u/gregn8r1 7h ago
I think somewhat common. I don't know if my kittens stripes are prominent enough to catch in a picture, but occasionally I'll notice some very faint stripes.
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u/FriendlyHearthling 2h ago
Omg, so cute!
This is normal, and the stripes will go away as he gets older. My cat was the same. You could mostly see them when he was in the sunlight.
He doesn’t have very visible stripes now, but he kept a little white spot on his belly.
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u/Dry_Factor_669 15h ago
I think so, my voids "stripes" were easier to see when she was a kitten tho.
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u/PikaPerfect 6h ago
yeah, that's normal! technically all cats have those because genetically all cats are tabbies (if you see a solid-colored cat, other than white**, it just means that the pattern ended up being the same or a very similar color to the base coat). usually in black and dark gray/brown cats in particular, you can't see it, but when they're kittens or when the light hits them the right way, then the pattern will show up like that
**white cats are a little different in that all white cats are genetically some other color because "white" is not a base coat color for a cat; white spotting is its own gene, but it can potentially cover the entire base coat which results in the cat having white fur. if you were to breed two white cats together, it's possible (albeit unlikely) to get absolutely zero white kittens because of that lol
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u/LilithMae 6h ago
I believe I once learned the stripes on cats are actually a different type of fur, not just pigment. Can anyone who knows more elaborate on this?
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u/fuzziekittens 3h ago
One of my black cats was like that too! If you see her in the sun at just the right direction, you can see all her stripes!
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u/Recent-Hovercraft310 19h ago