r/UkrainianConflict • u/andrewgrabowski • 20h ago
1600 documents the AfD produced during last term in Saxony-Anhalt. Some inquiries made by AfD: Where exactly does the police have emergency power supplies? How long can infrastructure withstand a blackout? Where are the emergency wells located? What restrictions apply to military infrastructure?...
https://x.com/tepper_anna/status/2096544428911444279?s=20•
u/Belltower_2 19h ago
Something tells me their interest in all these emergency and military facilities isn't because they're sticklers for disaster preparadness.
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u/ElMauru 18h ago edited 18h ago
but they are - it's part of the far right shtick: an obsession with all things military, police and security. It's also in their interest to sabotage any attempt at investigating their party and they absolutely love talking about the oh so dangerous antifa.
The AFD is leaking information to Russia, no doubt - they just don't need the inquiries to do it - that part is just sensationalist drivel.
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u/Redthrist 16h ago
AFAIK, a while back there was talk that German military was basing their planning around the assumption that AfD-controlled regions will actively impede and sabotage German deployment in the event of NATO's Article 5 being triggered. So it's pretty much an open secret they are traitors, though it somehow doesn't automatically bar them from the elections.
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u/ElMauru 15h ago edited 15h ago
that is also bullshit (sorry to be so frank). Any such talk would immediately be leaked and sensationalized in the current political climate.
The main threat is hired actors with pro russian sentiments - a group which votes afd or BSW and has got slightly nostalghic memories when it comes to old east germany - that is the crossover.
The AFD hopes Russia wins in UKR because it will probably mean the end of the EU - but in the end it is similar to how the French FN likes the AFD and reversed - they like autocratic forms of government because they want to be autocrats themselves - not because their goals align geostrategically.
They are in it because they hope for a similar effect like in 1935 when both the bolsheviks and nazis worked together because they could feed off one another politically to gain power. Some see the US bases as occupation, but that is just the usual ultra-nationalist blablabla and likewise any Russian moves would just as easily be utilized in a similar populist fashion.
Real organized military cooperation is an entirely different thing unless Putin manages to bamboozle someone. You keep forgetting the strong anti-russian sentiments of the old elite who lost their land when the soviets won as well as all the wehrmacht NS nostalghia - that is the financial and organizational backbone of the party and the wing that shaped the modern far right. It would create a serious rift in the party and would never stay a secret, because the AFD really is a leaky ship.
What the BND is concerned about is that the AFD is full of grifters, carpet baggers, opportunists and petty white collar criminals - that is something the Kremlin knows how to utilize in its favor.
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u/PayOdd92 9h ago
That also comes with teaching children to speak Russian? Seems kinda odd.
Unless you know
They're just pro Russia and anti Germany plain and simple.
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u/Gullenecro 6h ago edited 6h ago
It s not bullshit, It was talked at the federal level in germany and in nato. google it, you will find it.... It was way before their victory.
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u/ElMauru 4h ago edited 4h ago
I did some research: there are some articles online which make it appear as if this is an issue being pursued, however all list their source as a single interview by Kiesewetter in welt - all of them are recent (June) and if you read the interview itself it becomes apparent that nothing concrete has been done beyond raising the topic: here is the interview proper: https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article6a69d2061ff9bc89d8812c1e/szenario-fuer-afd-wahlsieg-an-der-landesregierung-vorbei-bund-entwickelt-notfallplaene-fuer-nato-drehscheibe.html
None of it mentions having consulted NATO about it. There is a paragraph in the NATO treaty where one can potentially ask for consultation in case of interior danger, but that article has not been invoked.
Am I missing something here or are we relying on a single interview conducted ahead of elections?
Kiesewetter is not a populist so there is some credibility to this. However, this is a stretch to tie it to the AFD and its policies specifically.
More likely: the mad/bnd is actively investigating scenarios of sabotage in case of &5. like I mentioned above, the AFD is known to have quite a few people in it working for or with russia - but the details sound more like an election maneuver than anything concrete, let alone something coordinated with NATO...
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u/Gullenecro 4h ago
I read stuff about that 2 years ago, when they say there is a chance that at next election some state will fall in the hand of afd. At this time, the victory was just an hypothesis, but they wanted to pass some law so a state cant make it longer for nato army to pass in case of article 5 to save the baltic. All this stuff was happening at federal level.
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u/ElMauru 3h ago edited 3h ago
I'd be genuinely curious in case you manage to dig up that one. The only references I could find are welt and telegraphand both are rather vague.
There are all sorts of plans around in case of Russian sabotage utilizing paid agents and past plans still accounted for east Germany being a thing ( mostly accounting for old parties like the pds and other post DDR stuff ) but I'd be surprised if anything was referring to the AFD specifically.
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u/Gullenecro 52m ago
Operationsplan Deutschland: Friedenspolitik statt Kriegsvorbereitung! – AfD-Fraktion Sachsen
Coming from the AFD directly. They didnt say they will block the transit, but they say they are totally not happy about it.
It s know since 2023-2024 that it will require a huge participation between civil state and nato, look everything that you will find under : Operationsplan Deutschland. (schleswig-holstein.de - Medieninformationen - Auswärtige Kabinettssitzung im Landeskommando Schleswig-Holstein: Zeitenwende erfordert neue Pläne für zivil-militärische Zusammenarbeit)
They say : "NATO und Bundeswehr auf die Mitwirkung der zivilen Kräfte der Länder angewiesen"
So, if the state doesnt want to act in good faith, it can be really problematic for both NATO and the german military. AFD already says in Saxen that they dont like it at all.
We can always expet shitty right wing to do the worst shit possible at the worst moment possible. For people with a brain, it s clear that we have a security problem there. Way worse than just some moron spying for russia.
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u/wherethestreet 14h ago
No, it’s not. Anything you can think of, they are doing that and more. Think Trump found with Natl Sec documents in his bathroom after leaving office bad.
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u/ParticularArea8224 16h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9MSV9Bp35Y
I think this video perfectly explains it. It's about 7 years old and I haven't shared it, but I feel like I should at this point.
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u/thethirdtree 18h ago
They will openly collude with Russia in the next months. But since Elon Musk loves it and they will display German flags, the braindead population will cheer them on. "Death to the windmills, death to batteries, all hail Russian gas!"
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u/florianknusper 19h ago
Germany be like: doesn't sound like a threat, let's vote for them
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u/Widukind272 10h ago
Some Germans…
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u/Noughmad 8h ago
Too many Germans.
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u/Widukind272 8h ago
Yes. True. Same crowd that whined the loudest during COVID about the Masks. The dumb and bitter.
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u/Rand0m-Jeweler 18h ago
It’s just one small Bundesland, a nuisance.
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u/florianknusper 16h ago
Yeah still they can ask questions which are related to security of the whole country.
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u/AnyDepartment4589 13h ago
Icredible that the DDR citizens chose these traitors for office, I guess they long to be a ruzzian satellite again.
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