r/TransformersTrading Nov 10 '25

Discussion [H] Raised $4440 as a team for Cincinnati Children's Hospital via Extralife! [W] To thank you for all your support and announce the raffle winners!

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Last update post: https://www.reddit.com/r/TransformersTrading/comments/1oe35fh/h_just_over_2_weeks_until_our_fundraiser_ends_for/

THANK YOU SO MUCH!,

This year for Extralife gameday, with your help, we raised $4440 for Cincinnati Children's Hospital! Woot! Here are the winners of the Transformers raffle, congratulations! Will email winners tomorrow after more sleep!

|| || |Drawing Time:|Winners (Choose Prizes in Order)| |2:00 PM|Max| |4:00 PM|MikeMash62| |6:00 PM|Deviljhojho| |8:00 PM|Mr. Brogath| |10:00 PM|Lydia Flagg| |12:00 AM|Stephen Maddox| |2:00 AM|HeyaAlexstrasza| |4:00 AM|8um81833| |6:00 AM|Donald J Bonck| |8:00 AM|Wren| |10:00 AM|Shockwaves_Left_Antenna|

Thanks Again!


r/TransformersTrading Aug 09 '25

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r/TransformersTrading 6h ago

Selling [US-IL] [H] lots of G1 MIB used once [W] Paypal

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This collection is from a guy in the late 80s who's grandmother had dementia. He was an adult but she bought them and made him play with it. So he would open it up, put on the stickers, and that made him happy.

These are the leftover I didn't open as a child or give away at birthday parties. They have been sitting in the attic for 25ish years and this is probably my last opportunity to sell them to fans and not investabros.

All are opened but never played.

Gallery 1

Gallery 2

Writeups are from a friend who is way more into collecting and probably added his own enthusiasm and ebay marketing unintentionally.

Shipping: USPS, UPS


[$25] Backstreet

[$125] Blaster

[$150] Bluestreak

[$200] Broadside

[$200] Crankcase

[$150] Cyclonus

[$130] Dirge

[$125] Grapple

[$125] Hoist

[$40] Bumblebee Hold off

[$200] Hosehead

[$150] Hound

[$125] Inferno

[$250] Jetfire

[$300] Megatron

[$50] Micromaster Airstrike Patrol

[$225] Onslaught

[$75] Ruckus

[$45] Scrapper

[$70] Shrapnel

[$130] Skywarp

[$150] Slag

[$125] Smokescreen

[$225] Soundwave

[$200] Starscream

[$40] Swindle

[$70] Thrust

[$30] Topspin

[$30] Twin Twist

[$200] Wheeljack


r/TransformersTrading 18h ago

Trading [US-TX] [H] AOTP Swindle [W] Trades, PayPal

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Transformed him one, just don’t think he’s for me.

I’m looking for either an ER Prowl or a Hot Rod/Rodimus figure in return. Would love to do a trade with him plus cash for either a POTP or Kingdom Rodimus. Will look at anything, though!

For sale, asking $55 shipped (retail + tax and shipping)

Smoke free home

Thanks!

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r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [US-TX] [H] Kingdom Predacons, maximals, legacy, Studio series, G.I Joe Kup, more [W] Paypal Goods and services

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Selling a lot more of my collection! Shipping isnt included yet so I will calculate that further more if interested. BUT free shipping if you buy over 3 figs 👍 most of these are complete but some are incomplete or defective, and ill make sure to state it.

(Also if you dont see some accessories present then it just means I have them in a bag)

C = Completed

IC = Incompleted

https://imgur.com/a/uQgJZhi

Legacy Predacon Inferno C: $30

Kingdom Rhinox C: $22

Kingdom Airazor C: $15

Legacy Tarantulus C: $15

Buzzworthy Terrorsaur C: $17

Kingdom Tigatron C: $17

Kingdom Cheetor C: $20

Kingdom Dinobot IC (Missing all accessories) : $25

Kingdom Blackarachnia C: $12

Kingdom Rattrap C: $8

Can do all Preadcons and maximals for $120 shipping included!

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Legacy Ariel C: $25

Legacy Knockout C: $15

Legacy United Slipstream C: $20

AOTP Cyberton Sideways C (I have arranged the head so he can look up now, i can send pics if interested) $20

AOTP Smokescreen IC (Missing accessories) $17

Legacy Cannonball C: $17

Legacy Lockdown C: $17

Legacy Pointblank C: $14

AOTP jalopy C: $17

Legacy Windblade C: $20

Buzzworthy Silverstreak IC (just missing white gun, but has both shoulder guns) $10

Titans Return Soundwave IC (Missing all accessories except headmaster) $20

Potp Dreadwind C: $25

Can do all figures here for $155 Shipping included!

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Studio series ROTB Bumblebee C: $20

Studio series ROTB Airazor C (but has broken peg on wing stuck in her tab, i can send pic if anything) $10

Studio series ROTB Optimus Primal IC (Just missing transwarp key and axe) $25

Studio series GE 01 Bumblebee C: $45

Can do all Studio series for $80 shipping included!

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G.I joe Kup MIB: $70


r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [US-FL] [H] Several Lines: 3P, Generations, Studio Series, Etc. [W] Paypal or Trades

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///University tuition a pain (″ロ゛)///

Prices listed + Shipping (Using PirateShip)

Figures listed are complete with their accessories unless marked with a (!)

Imgur Galleries

Third Party

[SOLD] Robot Paradise Acoustic Wave KO

[$120] NewAge S01 Romulus

Dramatic Capture Series

[$42] Nemesis Space Bridge Shockwave

Missing Link

[$40] C-03 Bumblebee

[$40] C-04 Cliffjumper

Studio Series

[$30] Studio Series MTMTE - RotF Overload

[$12] Studio Series 86 - Bumblebee

[SOLD] Studio Series 81 - BBM Wheeljack

Generations

[$220] Age of the Primes - Superion

[$25] Age of the Primes - Sureshot

[SOLD] Age of the Primes - Carnivac

[$20] Age of the Primes - Bumper

[$75] Legacy Selects - 5-Pack Jazz, Sunstreaker, & Wheeljack

[$35] Legacy United - Animated Optimus [CIB]

[$15] Legacy United - Animated Motormaster

[$12] Legacy United - Animated Bumblebee

[$25] Legacy Evolution - IDW Tarn

[$15] Legacy Evolution - Metalhawk

[$15] Legacy Evolution - Twincast w/ Rewind

[$15] Legacy Velocitron 500 Collection - IDW Blurr

[$12] Legacy Velocitron 500 Collection - Crasher

[$12] Legacy Buzzworthy Creatures Collide Beast Wars Scorponok (Toy Deco)

[$12] Legacy Buzzworthy Creatures Collide Beast Wars Skywasp

[$25] Kingdom - Sideswipe

[$40] Reveal the Shield - Megatron

G1

[$120] G1 Megatron (1984 Original)

[$30] G1 Rumble (Red) & Ravage w/ Cardback (2018 Reissue)

[$25] G1 Hot Rod (TFtM Retro Reissue)

[$25] G1 Hound (TFtM Retro Reissue)

[$15] G1 Warpath w/ Tech Spec Card (1985 Original)

[SOLD] G1 Gears (1984 Original Pre-Rubsign)

[$30] G1 Thundercracker (TFtM Retro Reissue)

[$30] G1 Skywarp (TFtM Retro Reissue)

Non-Transformers

[$80] S.H. Monsterarts - Godzilla (1989)

[$20] S.H. Figuarts - Ultraman (Ultraman: Rising)

[$15] NECA Mirage TMNT - Renet

[$15] MotU Origins: Turtles of Grayskull - Leatherhead

[$10] MotU Origins: Turtles of Grayskull - Beast Man

Trades / Looking For

  • SS86 Springer

r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Trading [US-MI] [H] Aotp Swindle [W] aotp Brawl

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Like the title says got Swindle need Brawl


r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Buying [US-TX] [W] Left Ape arm/leg peg for Siege apeface, blaster, and electro shield, OR an apeface figure for parts [H] Paypal

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Hello! So recently I bought a Siege Apeface, but sadly it's missing the peg for his ape hand on his left leg. He didn't come with any of his accessories, nor his Headmaster. I don't really mind the Headmaster, but if you do have it, I wouldn't mind paying for it also! I really just need those parts, or if you just have an Apeface figure in general to sell, I would gladly buy it or trade for it.

I already overpaid for this incomplete figure at $45 because the toy store didn't even mention it was missing parts and just sold it to me as is. :/

https://imgur.com/a/uW5LuXR


r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [US-AZ] [H] Vintage, Movieverse, CHUG and more [W] Paypal

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All figures come from a smoke free home and pet isolated room, and have largely been kept on display, out of the sun. Shipping is done via USPS Ground Advantage, and buyer pays for shipping. More pictures available upon request. Prices are not fixed but offers are more welcome on groups of figures.

Pre 2000's photos

G1 Bombshell - Worn chrome and stickers, slightly loose joints- $6

Beast Wars Transmetal 2 Megatron - Dragon neck is slightly warped. Minor chrome wear and spiderwebbing on right wing. Translucent wing pieces are bent. Missing one missile. Otherwise in good condition, comes with instructions - $40

Movieverse

2007 "Unleashed" Bumblebee statue - $5

DOTM Deluxe Mechtech Sideswipe - Left arm is a bit loose when pointing straight down, otherwise fine. Instructions are worse for wear - $20

Generations AOE Scorn - Complete with instructions - $14

Generations AOE Leader Grimlock - Complete with both weapons, minor chrome wear - $28

Premier Edition TLK Steelbane - Both arms have broken off at the chest plate. One hinge has been repaired, the other has part of it missing. One dragon leg is missing and the other is missing the wing - $3 or free with purchase of something else

CHUG and more

Classics Ultra Magnus - Missing both weapons, very minor paint scuff on chest - $25

Generations Sergeant Kup - Missing back of truck cab/front of shins and weapon, hips are loose. No instructions - $3 OR free with purchase of something else

Prime Sergeant Kup - Missing hood and weapons. No instructions - $3 OR free with purchase of something else

Prime Beast Hunters Deluxe Bulkhead - Stress marks across limbs and doors, no weapon, no instructions - $5

Crossovers Star Wars Clone Trooper AT-TE - Body has slightly discolored, feet have minor paint chipping around notches, missing gun and missile. Has instructions - $12

Kingdom Core Class Optimus - $8

Kingdom Core Class Megatron - $9

Legacy Core Class Shockwave - $9

Age of the Primes Powerglide - Complete, with box if desired - $25

Take all three Core figures for $22

Cyberverse

Cyberverse Warrior Action Attack Sting Shot Bumblebee - $10

Cyberverse Deluxe Optimus Prime - Tabs inside legs have minor stress marks. No BAF part, otherwise complete - $18

Cyberverse Deluxe Cheetor - The tab on one of the claws has broken off inside his shoulder, and the other has its tab stressed. Swords and mask are both fine - $17

Cyberverse Ultimate class Megatron - $13

Take all four Cyberverse figures for $40

Junker special: Take Bombshell, Bulkhead, both Kups and Steelbane for $12


r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [H] [FL] Evac, Primal, and Jazz [W][Paypal g&s]

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https://imgur.com/a/TYmc6Q6

Hello again. Up for sale is another small batch of bots. All are complete, and in excellent condition. Please let me know if you have any questions about anything. Shipping will be calculated by location.

- Universal Studios Transformers the Ride Evac $60
- Gen Selects Jazz (studio series Jazz with no clear plastic, and DNA accessories) $50
- Rise of the Beasts Optimus Primal (with DNA masked head) $30


r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [US-NJ] [H] Transformers (CHUG, War for Cybertron, more) [W] Paypal

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r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [H ][USA-M] Third Party Figures [W] Paypal

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Selling several Masterpiece-scale Transformers from my collection. They’re complete with box unless noted.

FansToys FT-10 Phoenix - $200
FansToys FT-56 Variator - $225
FansToys FT-54 Warthog - $200
FansToys FT-57 Tube - $135
FansToys FT-53 Parkour - $225

FansToys FT-43 Dunerunner - $175, figure and weapon only

X-Transbots MM-VI Boost - $40

Photos:
https://imgur.com/a/a7uQSH8

Prices are plus shipping and PayPal Goods & Services.

Happy to work out a bundle price if you’re interested in more than one.

Please look through the photos for condition. I’m also happy to provide additional photos or answer any questions.


r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [US-TX] [H] Shattered Glass Jetfire, Shattered Glass Grimlock, Comic Edition Grimlock

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https://imgur.com/a/FiRHojm

Figures are new in sealed packages. Some slight shelf and handling wear may be present on the outer packaging. More pictures can be added upon request.

Shattered Glass Jetfire - $225 edit: with comic in sealed package

Shattered Glass Grimlock - $90

Comic Edition Grimlock - $110

Buy all three - $400

All prices exclude shipping and 3.1% PayPal G&S charge.


r/TransformersTrading 1d ago

Selling [H-TX] Cybertron 2005 Vector Prime, Crumplezone, Mudflap [W] PayPal

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https://imgur.com/a/9FSsKjE

Asking $220 shipped for all three figures. All come with their accessories. Message me with any questions. May be open to separating, but would like to sell as a lot first. If you’re interested in just one or two of the figures, send me a message


r/TransformersTrading 2d ago

Question/Request Obtaining rotf leader optimus

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Anyone here know if theres any KOs or 3rd part places that have the revenge of the fallen leader class prime? Been collecting for a few years now and unfortunately unless I want to go broke I dont think im getting an original release leader prime so 3rd party or ko would have to do. Not thats an issue for me I have plenty of KOs. Any help would be much appreciated 🙏


r/TransformersTrading 2d ago

Question/Request How to price these?

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Going through my old transformers. Keeping a bunch that were my favorites as a kid, but.. yknow, money.
NOT SELLING YET.

https://imgur.com/a/r7XrjV5

Most of them are in really good condition, just need to know how to price them !!
Writing this after I already packed them up, I should have taken pictures of all the sheets. If anyone has questions I can dig them back out.

Titanium Diecast Optimus prime- great condition, has his instructions, might be missing a gun?

ROTF Megatron- as far as I can tell, perfect condition? He has his cannon, just can’t figure out how to attach it 🙂‍↕️ has instructions

Soundwave (?)- not even sure what I’m looking at but I don’t see any missing parts, moves well! He’s got instructions!!!

Blue flame car guy (?)- missing gun and one front bumper, has instructions

starscream…??- missing his lower leg. I swear I had it. No instructions, otherwise decent condition

Ben10??- seems fine afaik, has instructions

Sideswipe- perfect condition. I transformed him, then… got frustrated and gave up. Lmk if anyone wants a better picture.

Purple guy 🐻?- no instructions, not sure if he’s meant to have hands or not, otherwise good.

This isn’t all of them!


r/TransformersTrading 2d ago

Selling [US-TX][H] Modern Chug, RiD Landfill, Ko Unicron, RotF Leader Prime, Bayverse figs, and Parts Lot [W] PayPal G&S

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Alrighty, so payments must be through PayPal G&S, have your shipping info there. Let me know your zip code so I can give estimates on shipping cost, I ship through USPS.

Images: https://imgur.com/a/5aOEnqP

Kingdom Galvatron: $25
Legacy Wildrider (Missing Weapons): $10
KO Unicron: $30
Rid Landfill (Missing Hightower Pistol): $60
Transmetal Airazor: $15

2007 Landmine (Missing Gun): $15
2007 Barricade (Missing Frenzy): $15
2009 The Fallen (Head Glued Back On): $15
2009 Leader Optimus Prime (Superglued Panel Shown): $70

Misc Incomplete Figures and Parts: Send a DM for individual bits, otherwise $60 plus shipping for whole lot


r/TransformersTrading 2d ago

Selling [H-TX] Transformers Cybertron 2005 Scout Class Lot [W] PayPal

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https://imgur.com/a/CSpVLjz

$65 shipped for all four figures. Lot includes Brushguard, Hardtop, Armorhide, and Backstop. All complete and in great condition. Feel free to message me with any questions, or shoot me an offer


r/TransformersTrading 3d ago

Buying [US-IL] [W] AOTP Swindle [H] PayPal

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None of the Walmarts near me have Swindle and everywhere online is either sold out or not due for another month or two, so I thought I'd try my hand here. Willing to pay SLIGHTLY above retail price.

EDIT: Swindle secured! Scroll along!


r/TransformersTrading 3d ago

Selling [US-CA][H] Fansproject Protector, MP Hoist, Energon Downshift, Kingdom Jackpot, Selects, Legacy, GE [W] Paypal

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Picture: https://imgur.com/a/gUiB99P

Fansproject Protector + Henkei Rodimus: $100

MP-58 Hoist: $40 SOLD

Selects Cyclonus + Nightstick: $18 SOLD

Energon Downshift: $16 SOLD

Legacy Star Raider Thundertron + Nightstrike: $17

Legacy Miner Megatron: $15 SOLD

HftD Breacher: $15 SOLD

Kingdom Jackpot + Sights: $14

Selects Hubcap: $12 SOLD

Gamer Sideswipe (w/ Toyhax): $9

Siege Soundwave: $12

Gamer Starscream and Cloudcover were on previous sales posts: reduced to $12 each. CLOUDCOVER SOLD

Shipping not included. Will consider offers, especially on multiple items, etc. Everything complete, good condition.


r/TransformersTrading 3d ago

Buying [W] Titans Return Grotusque sub $100 [H] PayPal

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Looking to finish out my monsterbots, grotesque is the last but im not willing to pay as much as he's going for on ebay when I can find him. Figured I'd check here.


r/TransformersTrading 3d ago

Selling [US-AZ] [H] Vintage, Movieverse, CHUG and more [W] Paypal

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All figures come from a smoke free home and pet isolated room, and have largely been kept on display, out of the sun. Shipping is done via USPS Ground Advantage, and buyer pays for shipping. More pictures available upon request. Prices are not fixed but offers are more welcome on groups of figures.

Pre 2000's photos

G1 Bombshell - Worn chrome and stickers, slightly loose joints- $6

Beast Wars Transmetal 2 Megatron - Dragon neck is slightly warped. Minor chrome wear and spiderwebbing on right wing. Translucent wing pieces are bent. Missing one missile. Otherwise in good condition, comes with instructions - $40

Movieverse

2007 "Unleashed" Bumblebee statue - $5

DOTM Deluxe Mechtech Sideswipe - Left arm is a bit loose when pointing straight down, otherwise fine. Instructions are worse for wear - $22

Generations AOE Scorn - Complete with instructions - $15

Generations AOE Leader Grimlock - Complete with both weapons, minor chrome wear - $30

Premier Edition TLK Steelbane - Both arms have broken off at the chest plate. One hinge has been repaired, the other has part of it missing. One dragon leg is missing and the other is missing the wing - $3 or free with purchase of something else

CHUG and more

Classics Ultra Magnus - Missing both weapons, very minor paint scuff on chest - $25

Generations Sergeant Kup - Missing back of truck cab/front of shins and weapon, hips are loose. No instructions - $3 OR free with purchase of something else

Prime Sergeant Kup - Missing hood and weapons. No instructions - $3 OR free with purchase of something else

Prime Beast Hunters Deluxe Bulkhead - Stress marks across limbs and doors, no weapon, no instructions - $7

Crossovers Star Wars Clone Trooper AT-TE - Body has slightly discolored, feet have minor paint chipping around notches, missing gun and missile. Has instructions - $12

Kingdom Core Class Optimus - No instructions - $8

Kingdom Core Class Megatron - $9

Legacy Core Class Shockwave - $9

Age of the Primes Powerglide - Complete, with box if desired - $25

Take all three Core figures for $22

Cyberverse

Cyberverse Warrior Action Attack Sting Shot Bumblebee - $10

Cyberverse Deluxe Optimus Prime - Tabs inside legs have minor stress marks. No BAF part, otherwise complete - $18

Cyberverse Deluxe Cheetor - The tab on one of the claws has broken off inside his shoulder, and the other has its tab stressed. Swords and mask are both fine - $17

Cyberverse Ultimate class Megatron - $13

Take all four Cyberverse figures for $40

Junker special: Take Bombshell, Bulkhead, both Kups and Steelbane for $15


r/TransformersTrading 4d ago

Selling/Trading [US-TN] [H] Studio Series/ Generations [W]PayPal Selling or trading

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So some stuff I need to declutter away from the main collection and has been awhile since I’ve made a post to any problems of the figures you can ask I’ll be happy to discuss what’s fair and on prices if you want to negotiate everything should mostly be complete especially stuff in boxes.

Studio series ROTB
Optimus Prime complete and axe from primal 40$
Optimus Primal missing chains and keystone 45$
Rhinox complete 35$ little rhinos included
Airrazor complete 25$

One step changers 7$ each

Studio Series extra
TFONE Optimus Prime 20$
SSGE Optimus Prime 35$

Legacy
Knockout X2 15$ each missing both there spears
G2 Breakdown 23$ complete

Crossover Star Wars Mandolorian /N-1 starfighter
Complete and in box 60$

3rd party Trojan Horse Hurricane Waspinator will warn has 2 right hands and figure is a bit loose with some areas tight problem with the mold of it. Sold$

Link to photos: [ https://imgur.com/a/PdJKtOG ]

Figures I’m trading for:

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AOTP:
Almagmous prime
Nexus prime
Onyx prime

Autobots:
MTMTE Prowl
86 Slug
86 swoop
86 cliffjumper
86 steeljaw
86 springer
86 Ultra Magnus
AOTP Mirage Ironhide blue streak 3 pack

Decepticons
Dramatic Capture 4 pack Part 1
MTMTE Starscream
MTMTE Insecticon 3 pack
86 Megatron
86 Skywarp
86 Shockwave
86 Blitzwing
86 Rumble/Blue
86 Frenzy/Red
Legacy Motormaster
Legacy Quake
Legacy Chopshop
Legacy Barrage
Legacy Ransack
AOTP Venin
AOTP Vortex
AOTP Blast Off
AOTP Brawl
AOTP Swindle
AOTP Onslaught
AOTP Trypticon
Earthrise Barricade


r/TransformersTrading 4d ago

Selling [US] [H] Jinbao Devastator (4th party ver. of Gravity Builder Devastator) with upgrade kit 2.0 [W] Paypal goods and services

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https://imgur.com/a/jinbao-devastator-with-upgrade-kit-2-0-cVF1phb

Asking for $120 for all, buyer pays shipping! I assume shipping will be around $20, but I'll calculate it exactly depending on your location.

Getting rid of him because I like playing with my Transformers, and he is not very good for playing. Very good for display though! He has a hell of a shelf presence, he's like 2 feet tall.

Transformed from vehicle to bot-mode to combined-mode to vehicle, spent the rest of the time on display (bought it early this year).

All accessories and pieces included, plus all pieces from the 2.0 upgrade kit. Only damage is to one of the 2 face plates for base head, which has become irreparably gouged (pics of damage in link).

I will also reduce the price if you'd be willing to trade with:
-Energon Optimus AOTP (reduced by 50 dollars)
-Dark Eneregon Megatron AOTP (reduced by 50 dollars)
-Legacy armada prime (reduced by 100 dollars)


r/TransformersTrading 4d ago

Selling/Trading [US-PA][H]Deluxes and Voyagers [W]Paypal/Trades

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Images can be found here. https://imgur.com/a/7pCc5Iw

Prices do not include shipping cost. Shipping is $5 and will be using USPS Ground.

Legacy Voyager Animated Optimus Prime

$20 (will bundle with upgrade for $45 shipped)

DNA Design DK-54 $30 (will bundle with figure $45 shipped)

- Missing an arm gauntlet, includes BBTS visor.

SSTFOne Dleluxe Elita SOLD

Authentics Mirage $15

- Not shown are the included blast effects

Amalagmous Prime SOLD

Zetar $25

- Got second hand, previous owner lost the drill that sits on his head.

Wants:

- Titans Return Titan Master Repugnus

- Legacy War Dawn 2-pack (Erial and Dion)

- Wild King Dragknight Leafback

- Crossovers Star Wars Battle Droid (any color, just has to be complete and in good condition)

- Dr Wu Pathfinder

- Metal Cardbot Black Hook / Steel Hook