r/Suburbanhell • u/[deleted] • 10d ago
Showcase of suburban hell Austral, New South Wales
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u/VQV37 8d ago
You don't actually have to make it illegal. I think if you allow for a reasonable competition such as more medium density housing development. Allow for easier townhouse development. Less restrictive sfh zoning. No stupid setback requirements and minimum parkings. I think you'll get options for housing that we don't really have nowadays and people will naturally migrate away from these kind of far-flung suburban subdivision developments
You don't have to make it illegal. Just make the other option present
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u/Vlad2442 10d ago
No we don't if you don't like it then dont live there.
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u/Vlad2442 10d ago
Ofcourse all the single bums with no kids are downvoting me, for them its fine to live in a cramped city flat but not for families.
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u/kanthefuckingasian 10d ago
Ever heard of European any European city ever, or even inner suburbs?
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u/Vlad2442 9d ago
I literally live in the UK, I'd much rather live in an American suburb because houses are too close together here and small. And dont tell me "but your houses are built out of brick ours are cardboard" because I've seen plenty of brick houses in the US too and much more affordable than the UK.
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u/VQV37 9d ago
Have you been to American suburb? The home are like boes packed together
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u/Vlad2442 9d ago
Much more space than British ones. Masive yards too and double garages, a luxury in the UK.
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u/VQV37 9d ago
You're going to need those double garages due to the extensive Auto dependency in American suburbs. This is not that much of a luxury, more of a induced necessity.
Coupled with the exception high vehicle miles travel travel. British suburbs while still heavily flawed tend to be much more human scale and more accessible to amenities without the need of card. At least this is my experience thus far with the UK.
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u/Vlad2442 9d ago
Its closer to shops but whats the point people still use cars as no one is gonna drag 10 bags of weekly family shopping through the street.
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u/PolishWeaponsDepott 5d ago
You don't need to do a weekly shop if you live in walking distance, you can just buy enough for a day or two since you can easily pop down again tomorrow
And how is sprawl better for families, what is there to do? Both parents would need a car and things that the children want to do would be harder since they take longer to get to and you have to think about the petrol cost and potentially parking cost
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u/OstapBenderBey 10d ago
Looks fine now because its very green but in the future will be awful. And have huge transport issues
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u/siders6891 9d ago
It’s not really geeen. Most of the residential streets have barely any trees (I live there)
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u/TheInkySquids 9d ago
As someone who goes into Austral regularly to meet with friends, I think this is not true suburban hell.
Yes its all grey roofs and shitty low density with no backyards, that I agree with and it sucks. But conveniently cutoff from this picture is Leppington train station just to the south, that gets trains to the CBD and Parramatta every 15 minutes all day at a minimum.
There are actually trees planted quite densely on the nature strip outside every house, so the green will come back. There are corner shops nearly every block, various restaurants or grocery stores. Plenty of reserved parkland. And the roads are actually small suburban streets, not huge stroads. There are two bus routes that run through the suburb, and they could be improved but they definitely will be once the population is there.
There are much worse suburban hell places in Sydney, I think Austral is actually fine. Could do with more active transport but its not that bad.
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u/VQV37 9d ago
This doesn't look too bad. Honestly. It at least has a sensible grid system. Allowing the community to evolve over time. Much better than the cul-de-sac Dendritic pattern that you see in most American subdivisions which have no chance of being retrofitted into anything else
A grid system at least allows evolution of a neighborhood and more flexibility
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u/NikoAU 7d ago
Can’t wait for the day the identical housing sprawl reaches the blue mountains and the developers will be just seething and fuming at the fact that they can’t build over them…
God Sydney is just the poster-child of a city being covered in identical copy-paste soulless houses at the price of greenery and liveability.
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u/iqmasterXDXD 9d ago
why are you complaining about, ofc it looks ugly from above people live there you pathetic goober
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u/Gullible_Flow_8614 10d ago
Oh F off mate. So much greenery. What else do you want?
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u/Vlad2442 10d ago
Whats wrong with that? We need homes for families.
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u/AndryCake 9d ago
So families can only live in poorly planned suburbs like this?
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u/Vlad2442 9d ago
How the fuck is it poorly planned. To you well planned is cramped little townhouses close together just because its closer to shops.
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u/AndryCake 9d ago
Well there is no logic. You gave a bunch of different small tiny subdivisions (with small lot sizes mind you) in different spots. You don't even have proper rural land. All those homes could have been attached around the existing development or a new neighbourhood that is actually cohesive.
This is without changing housing type because apparently anything else than a single family home is a dystopian living box that is miserable to live in.
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u/Cryptoss 9d ago
Bro, well planned would mean planting rows of trees along streets to mitigate the heat island effect, public transport (including new train stations) and actually having shops close by rather than having to drive to Campbelltown and Liverpool for most things.
Instead they cram as many properties together as they can and you end up with shitty houses that maybe look nice but have no insulation and most of them don’t even come with air conditioning. And the backyards are usually a 2m wide strip of mainly concrete. It’s absolute shit.
Also, speaking from personal experience, those new suburbs in western Sydney are way too fucking hot compared to anywhere else around them. The streets are black asphalt, the houses are mostly grey to black, there’s either very few trees or none at all, and only recently did they start trying to mitigate the heat issues by making new roofs white.
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u/HeracliusAugutus 8d ago
Stop being an antisocial car cuck,
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u/Vlad2442 8d ago
As if people on trains and buses are social at all, they are all on their phones.
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u/HeracliusAugutus 8d ago
You don't know what antisocial means, do you?
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u/Vlad2442 8d ago
How am I antisocial? For liking cars? Clearly you dont know what it means either.
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u/HeracliusAugutus 8d ago
Designing a society and urban environment that requires everyone to own and drive a large, polluting, dangerous vehicle is obviously and undeniably hostile, harmful, and detrimental to individuals and community
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u/Tremblespoon 9d ago
We also need environment and shit to live. Australia has so many hoarded empty homes that this is simply not a good argument.
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u/Tremblespoon 10d ago
They said. Walkability. What's the point if you can only get about by car?
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u/Gullible_Flow_8614 9d ago
Austral is 65mins by car to Sydney CBD. What walkability are they after?
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u/Tremblespoon 9d ago
Who cares about Sydney? It's for denizens and cause walking is healthy and fun you Gronk.
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u/Gullible_Flow_8614 7d ago
lol, what walking is not on offer in suburbs ? Come out of the rock you live under.
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u/Several-Student-1659 9d ago
Driving to Penrith from Campbelltown fills me with dread (and no, not because of the fact that I'll be in Penrith soon) because of all the freeway exits pointing into currently empty farmland; it'll all be Oran Park as far as the eye can see soon enough.