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They seem (that word carrying a lot of weight) to think that her insanity absolves her of guilt or wrongdoing. The more egregious ones straight up blames the husband for checks notes not putting the kids out of her reach, so somehow it's his fault she killed them.
From the vague and somewhat unhelpful article above, it seems in saving the 3 he ended up drowning himself. The only indication this is what happened is the article stating "pepperman was one of two drowning victims that day". Other than that the article explains Jack all and loves to add "told TODAY parents" after every sentence.
After seeing what happened in romania, I'm not sure if google could have helped.
We had an idiot in romania go out to sea with red flags everywhere, almost drowned once, got pulled out by lifeguard, told to stay out of water because it's VERY high risk, he went back in, he got pulled out a 2nd time by lifeguard ,he then went in a 3rd time, pulled out by lifeguard AGAIN, and then he went in a 4th time and died.
A lot of people ignore the red flags and have the mentality of "it won't happen to me, im the main character" and proceed to go in and nearly drown.
Last time we had red flags up, dozens of people just kept going in the water, and then got pulled out by lifeguards, a lot of them learn after nearly dying, others just go right back at it.
Yeah but four times is literally beyond stupid or careless. Something else was going on there.
Kudos to the lifeguard for continuing to save him...surprised he didn't get his ass beat after the 2nd or 3rd time. He was risking more than his own life with that kind of behavior.
He was over 60, probably why the lifeguard didn't smack him. Usually if you're younger you'll catch at least a slap if he has to pull you out twice in the hopes you'll come to your senses.
There are huge red flags and warning signs when there are rip currents at my beach. But there are still people who try to swim far out and get upset when a lifeguard whistles them in.
I always recommend watching a YouTube video on how to get yourself out of a rip current or just ask a lifeguard.
Hey y'all, Lifeguard here. Swim to the side not into the current, spread the word. Aquatic fitness is incredibly important if you are going into the ocean without a life jacket. Drownproof yourself ahead of time in a safe environment.
Ive been in them. It can be hard to fight your instincts, and youre a bit worn out by the time you realize. It can be deceitful because it seems like youre allmmmossttt breaking out to land but its actually pulling you further out. Strong ones can pull you really far out which only adds to the panic.
Learn how to float and conserve energy. Dont panic.
I got caught in a rip that also had huge waves. Was walking along the shore and got my legs swept out and sucked into the front edge of the wave and pounded into the sand. Came up for a gulp of air and got smashed by another wave that tumbled me around. Thought I was swimming up for air but hit my head on the bottom and then the bottom half of my body got sucked up and I got rag dolled. Thankfully I caught sight of the shore and saw that I was pretty far out. I worked my way to the side while getting beat by the ocean. Probably one of the closest times I've been to death.
Yep. Luckily mine have been away from the powerful waves near the shore.
People underestimate how insanely powerful moving water can be. Why people get sucked away and drown crossing small streams with cars. Waves crashing on you can be insanely disorientating and can straight up smash you against the sea floor.
Its a different sort of freaky because its not an animal that is actively trying to kill you. It just...is... it doesn't have any concept that you exist, that it exists and it doesn't want anything from you. You can't fight it because any effort you put into actively resisting is not going to have any kind of effect on it. Makes you feel very small when something like that has you.
Yeah. An old friend of mine lost her older brother to a rip current when we were in middle school. He was vacationing in Florida with his fiance, and was 28. I always think of her and him when this topic is mentioned, because it was very shocking given how athletic he was. He was in college because he wanted to be a lawyer, and got a scholarship for playing football.
Plenty of people learn it - but learning and actively experiencing it (intentionally) trigger very different reactions when you find yourself in that situation.
That common sense goes out the window when you realise you’re getting pulled further and further out to sea - fast - and starting to panic / get tired.
Same reason there are countless videos of people semi-drowning themselves in a foot of water after coming down a water slide.
Bro ask someone to show you, or take a class. Its not always easy to learn a new skills and we forget that. Dont give up, being able to swim can get you or a loved one out of a dangerous situation where you otherwise would have no chance to survive or help them.
I would say try to float around. Get used to the water and how water behaves. Watch youtube videos maybe. Good luck.
Learn to swim properly. I thought I knew how. I did not, and swimming recreationally in a pool will not give you the technique, stamina, or knowledge you need for a different environment . Play down your self-evaluated swimming capabilities. Have fun, be safe.
While swimming parallel technically works to escape the narrow neck of a rip current, experts and coastal safety organizations now emphasize floating first for a few key reasons:
Many swimmers get exhausted: Rip currents often travel at 5 to 8 feet per second—faster than an Olympic swimmer. Even swimming sideways against strong lateral coastal currents can quickly exhaust a weak or panicking swimmer.
They don’t let us have life jackets here. Said it’s too easy to be swept away.
Rockaways, we lose so many each year. I’d say most if not all have been lost outside of lifeguard hours, which have continually been reduced. They definitely spend more on recovery rather than just funding.
For real, even as someone who was very Aquatically fit, depending on the conditions there were times it was more strenuous than a full body day at the gym.
Definitely not me swimming out on Station beach in Kincardine in a clearly marked danger zone, directly into a rip current like a fucking idiot as a teen.
No it means drown yourself a little bit every day to build up an immunity. I've been doing it for 19 years and can now hold my breath for 2 hours and 11 minutes.
rip currents can be deadly but can be escaped if you know how. i feel for this family and their advocating for educating tourists on the warning flags system is a proper way to remember Fred's sacrifice.
Anyone who has had to move office water cooler jugs should realize water is heavy as shit. If you’re swimming, the water can easily decide where it wants to move you.
I grew up in a beach town and spent most of my childhood just getting my ass handed to me by the ocean. Have an EXTREMELY healthy respect for it to the point where I probably wouldn't go in unless it's a calm-ish day.
Not just the ocean, but lakes too. I foolishly jumped off of an anchored boat into a lake on a windy day and when I came up, I was already like 15 feet away from the boat. There was small waves and I had to fight with everything I had to get back to the boat, against the current. By the time I reached the ladder I was already going under and I consider myself a reasonably strong swimmer. Another 10 seconds and I would have been in real trouble.
It was years ago but I still start to get panicky when I think about it too much.
My husband's cousins let their young (6-8yo) kids play in the beginnings of a riptide. You could see it getting stronger, pulling more sand with it. Another cousins SO was with them but didn't know how to swim. No life jackets, no swimming experience beyond a small pool for any of them.
Despite my warning literally everyone, parents included, that it was dangerous they all just ignored my concern. None of them grew up on the ocean like my husband, his sister, and I and just shrugged it off. I was heavily pregnant, and my husband was a ways off with his sister playing with her kids where it was safe, so if something happened any help would be slow.
It took the eldest kid being pulled into the cousins SO and him falling for their father to tell them to get out. The littlest kid kept tripping and falling over the current but no one bothered to help her until I started wading in. Im still furious about it.
I literally just said this to my wife. They had DOUBLE red flags up, and just said, “We’re tourists, we don’t know what that means…” It was 2019. Google had been around for like 20 years already. And I don’t know about you, but to me red has always meant “stop” or “bad”.
I mean zero disrespect to the dad and his heroism… but that heroism would not have been needed, much less his life, if one of the 18 people on the family vacation had used an ounce of common sense.
I'd think 120 years old surrounded by family and friends would be a better way to go out. That's a weird lack of imagination not being able to think of a better way than drowning.
Being useful is how you define your worth as a man. Or at least that’s the narrative that’s been peddled for ages. To an extent it’s a corrosive, reductive kind of story and it hurts both men and women.
Yeah, dads are important. Good fathers are worth their weight in gold! I'm grateful for mine and my husband, who is an amazing dad. That man is a hero.
It is sort of is important for a few reasons, imo the main one being it could set a very bad precedent for the future. Scum of the earth should just get locked up or worse, not insanity plea
Ehm better way to go out you say? Kids still need their dad. I don't think they had an awesome time with their dad dying on them. You may think it's heroic, but it's more heroic to be there for them.
I have to assume the exhaustion caused a heart attack or something. Poor family.
I’d prefer to go with my brain spontaneously shutting down at the tail of a 12 hour cocaine fueled orgy with 12 big tittied goths, but I guess this is ok.
It's worth mentioning how difficult this is to do when you're both panicked and inexperienced with swimming in the ocean in general. Letting yourself "drift out to sea" is so counterintuitive to human instinct
Ignoring double red flags and then claimed ignorance they were from “out of town”. Every beach in every developed world country and beyond has flags. They should never have been in there and he paid the price for their mistake. Sad but heroic.
The world considers Scotland to be a developed country & I wouldn’t know what beach flags mean, they are not commonplace here even though swimming is a popular activity in summertime.
That being said, if I go someone that uses flags to serve as a warning for danger, I’m researching the codes like a swat.
I’d argue more responsible, most kids are gonna trust their dad, whatever their age. If he said it was ok, I can’t really blame them for trusting that.
He drowned. This post is very misleading. The 16-year old daughter got caught in a rip current (that was a known danger, there were literally red flags sent up). Her two older sisters went out to get her, and were also struggling against the current. He then went out after all three of them. Everybody is acting like he personally saved them, but it actually seems like someone else went and got a surfboard or something. Then seemingly the dad helped his daughters in some nebulous way, maybe to get on the board, and then also got caught in the current, drowned, was pulled to shore by onlookers who attempted resuscitation, but he was already dead.
Still very brave, but decidedly less heroic.
If you're ever caught in a rip current, swim parallel to the beach. The rip is a narrow stream going away from the beach, and you can get out of it that way. You can't swim at the beach, you'll just move away from it slower.
Went to a baptism with my friend once. Her sister was being baptized at their church in her 50s. The other young people being baptized were all 14 and 15 year olds. Anyway she tells the story about how they made it to this country, her family were refugees and she nearly drowns because at point they had to swim to shore and she feels herself going under. She’s under the water panicking now when she feels a strong hand reaching behind her back to pull her up. It was her dad saying, “I’ve got you.” There was more to the story. All the young people who had been born in the states all said their little 2 or 3 sentences about what baptism meant to them, but my friend’s sister had that entire congregation in tears. Their father was a king too. My friend is 100% her daddy’s girl, and I think the reason she’s so strong is because of her father and the example he set for her.
I’m sure the family would do anything to have him back but we all die and saving all of your children is not a bad way to go. This man will always be remembered as the badass that he was.
This guys a hero, but I can think of many better ways to go out. Why the fuck would I want to die tragically in front of my family too young? Da fuq am I missing here…
Then again this happened on a day when no lifeguard was there and red flags were on display on the beach, so I suppose that was still a pretty unnecessary occasion to become a hero.
Article snippet:
Double red flags were flying on local beaches that day, but James, who was staying in a rental home, said no one in her group knew what they meant. “We’re from out of town," she told TODAY Parents. “Every hotel and Airbnb needs to put a sign on the door with explaining what each flag means, especially in touristy areas. No family should go on vacation and have this experience when it could have been helped or prevented."
wtf is this stupid fucking title? There are a million better ways to go out. Like surrounded by your family in your own bed at the age of 93 after you seen them fully grown having their own lives.
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