In the udssr food was ether subsidized (so very cheap, fresh bread was cheaper then pig food) or its was basically a novelty food , yes yes there was stuff in between like cucumbers which where subsidized in summer and expensive in the winter, thats why people in easter europe pickle there cucumbers, its was basically free food, get some pickles, get some bread and you have basically 50% of a meal for "free"
so why big gazongas?
Milk
do the math, milk wasent subsidized, people needed to find a way, to evolve....
Also ironic because irl it works the exact opposite. Modern agriculture over prioritizes pregnant cows compared to historically, and the hormones in it cause earlier and larger breast growth (on average).
I'm still skeptical of this info to be honest. I used to tell it to everyone when I was younger but around the time I turned 22 I remembered that I had originally read it in Playboy and it probably wasn't the most trustworthy information.
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's just that having better access to rich and nutritional food all day every day means you'll go through a healthy early puberty that can pack on body fat in places that you couldn't always if you didn't know when your next meal of boiled boot would be.
The same reason we're several inches taller on average than our ancestors. A surplus of food from an early age means we can get the most out of our growing bodies.
No, the body digests the hormones and breaks them down to the point they cant enter the bloodstream and change your endocrine system, man or woman. Anyone who believes otherwise is a schizo.
Food was dirt cheap if you could find it. Most blocks also had some subsistence gardens in my country because there was sufficient space between thrm to fence them off, cucumbers would be harvestable a few times throughout the summer, so were tomatoes. In the autumn you'd swap to carrots and cabbage. The last allotment i remember was 1/4th of a loaf per person per day so my family got over 0.5kg of bread, 3/4ths of a loaf. But sometimes they simply wouldn't have bread and you couldn't get yesterday's lost allotment, today. Given this, everyone was guarding their block gardens like their life depended on it.
The price controls were one of the problems. The bread vs pig feed thing is because a loaf of bread was locked at 16 kopecks (kopeck is basically a penny). Because making food cheap was part of the social contract; no more famines. State set bread prices (and everything else) and your wages, so things were priced and you were paid enough to live. Theoretically.
The problem was that a loaf of bread did not cost 16 kopecks to produce. People could buy as much as they wanted, till the bakery ran out. It was one of the things that wasn't rationed. So you could talk to your buddy who does the bakery delivery so you know when the bread comes in, and you buy up all you can. You take it to your garden, dacha (country cottage), or house if you live in a village, and you feed pigs with it. Pork is worth a lot more than bread, so you feed the pigs bread that was meant for people, price controlled so people could buy it.
So whoever showed up later to the bakery got not enough bread or no bread. There was never enough consumer goods because of this disconnect between prices, production costs and wages. You had to wait in line for everything; stores were the old general store model. You go up to the counter, and you tell the clerk what you want, and they tell you what they have and what they're allowed to or willing to sell to you. It was all about being first in line, or even better, knowing someone who'd put some aside for you. People had money to buy things, but there wasn't enough supply to meet demand. You would go to the store with your money and come away emptyhanded. Being connected was the most important thing; important people could get things easily that normal folks never touched.
Part of this was the inherent inefficiencies in a centrally planned economy. The bureaucracy that controlled how much bread to provide in a city was slow and everything had to be run up the chain. People also fudged numbers to enrich themselves (produce more but lie on the official numbers so they could sell the surplus off themselves) or produce more or less because it served some political purpose for your own network of influence's benefit (make more of one thing because it showed the factory manager was doing well or cut production of something else so a rival who needs that product falls behind). A big part is just the price and wage controls, which was the easiest lever to work and the one they were most reluctant to use. Bread prices caused the revolution.
Great write-up. The problems with this system are endemic to all systems of price controls. We've had our own experiences with it in the USA, though not as bad as the USSR did.
Yah OP seems 14 years old. Just heard whatever wanted to hear about USSR. If USSR was a leader of anything in food it was food lines. Waiting for four hours a day in them because of how scarce they often were. Things like milk and vegetables.
This is a Reuter’s article, not a CIA paper (just released by them). It’s not a proper analysis; it’s a single journalist giving their interpretation of the data.
I believe the data. But the analysis is a single, overly simple line — “Generally held nutritional standards suggest individuals need fewer calories,
less meat, less sugar and more grain to stay fit.”
Quantity matters, as does lifestyle, not just proportion. This standard is somewhat applicable to the average American’s diet and lifestyle, but even then it’s oversimplified and potentially dangerous. Overeating is still healthier than undereating/starvation, even though neither is good.
- The average Soviet wasn’t getting as much food TOTAL. That factoidal standard is only applicable when you are overeating.
The average Soviet had a more active job (office work wasn’t as common); this means that they need more calories and protein.
Your brain is almost entirely fat and water, and it runs on sugar.
Firstly, who is this true for? Party members in moscow? It may be true on average if it contains the caviar class but the life of the average citizen it was common to skip a couple of meals a week on top of rationing. Secondly, even in this file do you not see how this is a worse diet?
unlike the glorious us of a. where no one has ever skipped a meal. or in the current successors of the ussr( eastern europe, central asia) who have converted to capitalism and have never not full bellies since
I don't care about usian brained freaks such as yourself.
Yes. As in the successors where at least meals are affordable and there are public services in place for those who don't.
But the absolute peak stupid of your comment is implying that because less than 1% of the population is dirt poor that somehow compares to most of a population being dirt poor.
No one says the US is or was a utopia but it says a lot about you utopian ideology if it can't feed people better than capitalism. In fact it did worse than capitalism before basically any consumer protections or government programs were started. During the great depression, which of course wasn't a great time to be alive and is the time most people point to, to show how bad capitalism is, life expectancy in the US actually increased.
It’s always funny to me how westerners’ idea of living under communist governments differs so greatly from the realities of living under communist governments.
I am sympathetic to the ideals of communism, and while I don’t think it was entirely wretched and terrible, I’m sure there were a fair number of challenges that most of us in the USA have never experienced.
So you saying big gazongas was cheeper than having a cow? Would the State own one gazonga if your wife had two gazongas? And if your neighbor’s wife had no gazongas, could he drink from your wife’s gazongas? Or at least from the one gazonga owned by the state?
no.. Lived in Central Europe in Poland .. not true.. Thats just how it was drawn in propaganda.. there are significant more large chested ladies in the US
Funny enough, you’re not entirely wrong. Protein and standardized nutrition aided greatly during the Soviet period (post WW2). Meat became much more readily available to the general population as did other high protein food sources. Higher protein & generally improved nutrition leads to a growing. Look at height averages in Asia and how they’re creeping up. Good diet and peace = bigger boobs for all. Eventually.
Factor in (distant) future human expansion in space and you remove gravity from the equation haha.
People started pickling food over 4000 years ago, and the reason is because of food being seasonal, so that it can last longer, and not because of communism and subsidies.
It is done everywhere from Korea to Slovenia and everywhere in between.
Subsidies only exist in private economies. In USSR and second world countries there was a planned economy where companies, including agricultural land were state property. The state delegated managers and determined what need to be produced in what quantity and be sold at set price. This lead to overproduction in some areas and underproduction in some areas. So bread was cheap when it could be bought. They figured it out in a few decades and you could buy bread and other simple products pretty consistently.
Of course in later periods the state gave up full planned economy and let people produce ( on their own free time after the obligatory work hours) , that's where a lot of better products came later.
Yeah, that is weird. There are politically incoherent weirdoes who idealize both fascism and communism. Mostly because they're edgelords who like the 'bad guys.' Its even dumber than it sounds.
There are several cases of macromastia in poor countries that have some issues with famines. Tits aren't necessarily getting smaller if the wielder gets smaller.
True, but they are limited and in many cases are nutritional edema, I think its related to Kwashiorkor in mechanics but the medical white papers are a bit out of my skillset.
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u/Skychu768 1d ago
Who even equates political ideology to sex appeal?
Anyway OOP is fascist