Petah??

[u/Illustrious_Art9093]

[u/TheCyFi]

A vowel can be a sound or a letter.

Here’s the definition that aligns with what you’re saying:
> a speech sound produced by humans when the breath flows out through the mouth without being blocked by the teeth, tongue, or lips

But there’s another definition that you’re not accounting for:
> a letter that represents a sound produced in this way

Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/vowel

[u/DasWarEinerZuviel → u/TheCyFi]

So you literally proving it is the sound, lol.

Yes, a letter can be used to represent this, that does not make the letter the sound. The difference between "c" representing the speed of light, but not BEING the speed of light.

In any case, the rule is wrong.

[u/TheCyFi → u/DasWarEinerZuviel]

I'm literally proving that there are two definitions, one of which directly contradicts your repeated claims throughout the thread.

[u/DasWarEinerZuviel → u/TheCyFi]

It doesn't, you just don't understand what it says.

Sorry for that.

[u/TheCyFi → u/DasWarEinerZuviel]

I most certainly do understand what it says, and it absolutely contradicts your statements.

You don't need to apologize for your own stupidity.

[u/DasWarEinerZuviel → u/TheCyFi]

Well, if you choose to be ignorant, I cannot do anything about it.

[u/TheCyFi → u/DasWarEinerZuviel]

I wouldn’t expect you to be able to do anything about my ignorance when you clearly can’t even do anything about your own ignorance.

[u/Wimbledofy → u/DasWarEinerZuviel]

How else is one supposed to understand "A vowel is also a letter that represents a sound produced in this way"?