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Funny Learning Japanese

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u/Lloyd_lyle 9h ago

Colors are gonna be that way since they're a social construct that varies between cultures. Pink is just viewed as "light red" in a lot of languages so yeah you're gonna get a loanword.

u/Bretreck 9h ago

Actually the etymology of color words is super interesting. Usually each language starts with specific colors in a specific order (Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, White, Black) then they evolve from there. I've read a couple articles on it and it was entertaining.

u/HansTeeWurst 8h ago

Japanese word for green is also a loanword

u/emachel 6h ago

Midori?

u/HansTeeWurst 6h ago

Sorry should have explained that better. Old japanese used ao for both blue and green. Refering to green specifically during the heian period they used the word "ryokushoku" 緑色 (which retroactively became midoriiro later)

The word midori used to mean something like sprout or bud and only became the word for the color green later.

What i wanted to say is that the color green was "imported" from Chinese and most people said blue instead (people still say "blue traffic light", "blue leaves", "blue apple" etc)

Midori is a Japanese word. My bad

u/godisanelectricolive 4h ago

In Chinese they historically said 青 qīng for both blue and green too, until the early 20th century. 綠 meant leafy in Chinese and only meant green by analogy until fairly recently.

People generally didn’t differentiate between blue and green in Chinese until modern times.

u/tachycardicIVu 8h ago

I know orange in English was named after the fruit; do you recall anything similarly interesting in other languages like how a particular color came to be named?

u/CAT-Mum 3h ago

I was reading about how different cultures view colours (wish I could remember the article it was really good) and my random tidbit of knowledge I give is; Japanese traffic lights have the most blue leaning green but still green enough to count for international road standards.

u/Fluffyy-Crave 9h ago

Yeah, color words are exactly where loanwords make sense because the meaning shifts so much between cultures

u/faldese 8h ago

Bot.

u/wonderin444 6h ago

Languages are a social construct.

u/Brbaster 6h ago

Sometimes momoiro aka peach colour gets used in Japan instead. For example the original 1975 Pink Ranger was called Momoranger.

u/magein07 3h ago

Except in japanese, the colors are actually mostly different from english. Blue = ao Green = midori Red = aka Yellow = kiiro

There are obviously a lot that still sound like Engrish, but the main colors have their own words.

u/DiE95OO 1h ago

Ao can also mean green, fun fact.

u/magein07 1h ago

Yeah, historically (before the heian period (794-1185)) they used ao to describe all the nature colors and cool colors which included blue and green and only later decided that there should be more distinction between them.

Though even to this day ao is still used in the words for green apples, the green light in stop lights and several other things.

u/Crowfooted 3h ago

This happened in English too as recently as the 1500s, albeit not using a loanword. There was no word for the colour orange, it was considered a shade of red (hence why a lot of orange things today are referred to as "red", like red foxes, red hair, etc). It would generally be called "orange-red", specifically in reference to the fruit, aka, "it's red like an orange". Then eventually people just dropped the "red" part and people started thinking of orange as its own unique colour category.

u/Argy19ms 4h ago

Though there is actually a different word in japanese, it is momoiro.

u/low-expectations99 1h ago

In a way yeah. We call pink merah jambu officially, which directly translates to "guava red," referencing pink guava since it's a common fruit here. 

But because merah jambu is such as mouthful, we still use pink even in Malay