muslims treats ex muslims as sub human they never let an ex muslims find community or speak their mind, they are vile and rotten they especially on twitter where they sin (watch porn/anime and western cartoons) they enjoy western media and stuff not realising their religion are the one that holds them back! its a cult! a fucking cult! i dont believe in any religio but i wish malay people had never leave buddhism and hinduism and adopt fucking islam i hate dumb modern malays i hate islam i want to leave im heartbroken

To the Muslims who come across this, I hope you’ll read this in good faith. I’m not writing this to insult Islam or Muslims, nor am I claiming that every Muslim should think the same way I do.

I just want to clarify something about why some of us become murtad.
It’s not necessarily because we want to “commit sins", zina, drinking, getting tattoos, or whatever else. We’re aware that Islam considers these things haram. That wasn’t the reason I left.

I left because, after questioning and thinking about it for a long time, I simply couldn’t convince myself that God exists.

One question that kept bothering me was: if God is truly all-powerful and wants humanity to know His message, why was revelation given in a specific historical context around 1,400 years ago? Why not now, when we have cameras, satellites, the internet, scientific instruments, and countless ways to preserve and verify information?

And then there’s the Quran itself. Muslims are often told that it is the direct and preserved word of God. But when I started looking into its history, compilation, transmission, and the timeline surrounding Muhammad’s death, I found myself with even more questions.
I’m not saying this to mock anyone who believes. I understand why these things are convincing to Muslims, especially when you grow up hearing them from people you trust.
But for some of us, eventually the questions became more convincing than the answers.
And that’s really what murtad means to me — not “I want to live a sinful life,” but “I no longer believe that the religion is true.”

I’m not asking Muslims to agree with me. I’m only asking that you understand that leaving Islam can come from sincere questioning, rather than simply wanting an excuse to do things Islam prohibits.

HAHAHA SORRY DHO TAPI LAWAK LA COMMENT NII

This comment is under a post telling parents to monitor their kids because they saw a post of someone saying "mamdani please fix the lack of religious freedom for Malay Malaysians and legalise interfaith marriages in Malaysia"

Org mintak basic rights je auu bukannye mintak legalise crimes aiyoo tu pon susah ke nk faham

Zayd ibn Muhammad was Muhammad's adopted son. Zaynab was Zayd's wife.

In Surah 33, the Quran abolishes formal adoption, changes Zayd ibn Muhammad's name back to Zayd ibn Haritha (Quran 33:4-5), and declares Muhammad's marriage to Zaynab lawful so "that there would be no blame on the believers for marrying the ex-wives of their adopted sons." (Quran 33:37). The same surah also tells people not to linger too long at Muhammad's dinner parties or marry his wives after he dies (Quran 33:53).

Because of the unique privileges this surah gives Muhammad, Aisha says to Muhammad in an authentic hadith: "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." (Sahih Bukhari 4788)

"Nor does He regard your adopted children as your real children. Let your adopted children keep their family names."
Quran 33:4-5

"And (remember, O Prophet,) when you said to the one for whom Allah has done a favour and you (too) have done a favour, 'Keep your wife and fear Allah,' while concealing within yourself what Allah was going to reveal. And (so) you were considering the people, whereas Allah was more worthy of your consideration. So when Zaid totally lost interest in (keeping) his wife, We gave her to you in marriage, so that there would be no blame on the believers for marrying the ex-wives of their adopted sons after their divorce. And Allah's command is totally binding."
Quran 33:37

"Also (allowed for marriage is) a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet (without dowry) if he is interested in marrying her—(this is) exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers."
Quran 33:50.

"O believers! Do not enter the homes of the Prophet without permission ˹and if invited˺ for a meal, do not ˹come too early and˺ linger until the meal is ready. But if you are invited, then enter ˹on time˺. Once you have eaten, then go on your way, and do not stay for casual talk. Such behaviour is truly annoying to the Prophet, yet he is too shy to ask you to leave. But Allah is never shy of the truth. And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and theirs. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah."
Quran 33:53

"Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, 'Can a lady give herself (to a man)?' But when Allah revealed: 'You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), 'I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.'"
Sahih Bukhari 4788

I've posted this argument along with others on this website (with linked sources): https://islamsproblems.com/

Hi! No offense though, just looking for my people. ✌️🙏❣️🫶🥰

In case if there are also more of my Exmuslim Malaysian peers here that also got their Vegan awakening after leaving the religion. ✌️❣️

IamMalayExmuslimVegan

Sorry for my random ranting.

I feel like this is a safe place for me to rant about myself.

I was born into a Muslim family, but ever since I was a child, I never truly believed in Islam. Well, I did attend KAFA, where I learned how to recite the Quran, perform solat, and memorize surahs. BUT… I never actually memorized them. Whenever the ustazah tested us on whether we had memorized the surahs, I was always the one who happened to be “absent.”
And somehow, this continued all the way until university. Yes, we still had agama classes in UiTM, which I honestly found frustrating. I ended up avoiding the lecturer whenever I knew we had to recite surahs, and of course, that eventually resulted in me getting low grades for those subjects.

Why?

Deep down, I’ve never felt that genuine connection or love toward Islam. Even though most of my friends are deeply involved in their faith and seem to find comfort and meaning in it, I could never bring myself to feel the same way. I never had the desire to properly practice Islam or perform the religious deeds that everyone else seemed to do naturally.

About the hijab

I used to wear the hijab all the time, but honestly, I wore it because everyone around me did.

I didn’t pray, but I still wore the hijab because I felt ashamed or perhaps more accurately, afraid to take it off. During high school, wearing the hijab felt like an expectation. It was mandatory, and not wearing one automatically made you seem like a “bad person.”

At that age, I didn’t really know how to separate my own beliefs from what society expected of me. So I simply followed along.

But as I grew older and finally left high school behind, I gained more freedom to make my own choices. Eventually, I decided to take off my hijab.
And honestly, it felt like I had become a completely different person.

For the first time, I could style my hair however I wanted. I could express myself through the way I dressed and presented myself. I felt like I could finally be myself without constantly worrying about whether I was meeting someone else’s expectations.

It felt like I was finally allowed to take up space in the world.

And then there’s my boyfriend’s mom.

What bothers me is how she judges me for not wearing the hijab. There was even a time when she expected me to wear one just because we were going to a religious school, even though I was literally just staying in the car.

And honestly, I couldn’t help but think: you’re not even my mom. Why should you get to tell me what I should wear?
I understand that hijab is important to her, but I wish she could understand that it’s my choice and something personal to me. I’ve spent most of my life wearing it because I was afraid of being judged. Taking it off was one of the first choices I made for myself, and I don’t want someone else deciding whether I should put it back on.

And another thing that makes it difficult for me to feel connected to Islam or even believe in it is the way some people within the religion behave.

For example, I’ve seen men judge women for not wearing the hijab while they themselves deliberately smoke, sexualize women, watch porn, cheat on their wives, or commit other sins. Yet they still feel entitled to lecture women and act as if they’re holier than everyone else. It’s the hypocrisy that really bothers me. Why are you so busy policing other people’s sins when you’re clearly struggling with your own?

Another thing that has really affected how I see Islam is the way some women are treated when they go through the Shariah court system, especially divorced women trying to claim nafkah from their ex-husbands
.
I’ve heard stories from women who were already desperate and struggling, yet the process of claiming what they were legally entitled to was made unnecessarily long, complicated, and emotionally exhausting. Some have even shared how frustrated and humiliated they felt after being treated poorly or looked down upon by officers when they were simply trying to claim their rights.

And that makes me question things.

If nafkah is genuinely considered an important responsibility, then why does it sometimes feel so difficult for women to obtain the rights they are supposed to have? If the system is meant to uphold justice, why are some women left feeling helpless while trying to get that justice?
Sometimes it honestly makes me think, what the fuck do we even need a Mahkamah Syariah for if something as fundamental as a woman’s right to nafkah can’t be handled properly?

And then there’s the way some Muslims talk about Palestine.

I fully understand why Palestine matters so deeply to Muslims. But sometimes I struggle with the way people seem to care about suffering only when the victims are Muslim. There are people suffering from war, persecution, and mass atrocities in other parts of the world too, yet those tragedies don’t always receive the same attention or outrage.

What bothers me even more is when someone openly says, “I only care because they’re Muslim.”

That honestly makes me uncomfortable.

Because shouldn’t we care because they are human beings first?

If our compassion only extends to people who share our religion, then what does that say about our humanity? It sometimes feels less like caring about innocent people and more like caring about our own religious group.

I don’t want to believe that someone’s suffering only matters because they belong to the “right” religion. A child being killed shouldn’t become more tragic because they’re Muslim. A mother losing her family shouldn’t deserve more sympathy because she shares our faith.

These things have shaped the way I see Islam. I know that people will probably say, “Don’t judge Islam based on Muslims,” and maybe that’s fair. But when the people who represent and practice the religion are the only version of Islam I’ve ever experienced, how am I supposed to completely separate the two?

I’m not saying these things are the entirety of Islam. I’m saying they are part of what made me lose whatever connection I might have had with it in the first place.

There’s so much that I wanted to add but I will leave that for the later.

The audacity to label people like this, I ain't going to mosque to hear the same brainwashed khutbah every single time.

Like gurl. No. You woman. If you know that man is willing to cheat on you when y’all AINT married yet. Don’t surprise pikachu face when he has wife 2 and 3 after marrying you. I’m so tired of this chosen victimhood.

I have so much love and respect for Muslim women who choose to stay Muslim but not want to get married because they are consciously aware and align with the fact that their religion is oppressive towards them and their husbands become their new jailers. May their God protect them from bad men.

I’m just sharing how I feel in general. I grew up in a lonely childhood plus neurodivergent. I was fortunate enough to not have a religious family, but the pressure to be pious had always breath down my neck. Im 27 this year. The internet wasn’t what it’s like today back when I was growing up. I didn’t get the opportunity to discover people like me existed. That having doubts or leaving Islam was okay.

I wish I knew what I knew today, that an alternative path is allowed. It had been traumatic to grow up feeling wrong/ guilty or locked out of heaven for not being able to believe in Islam.

I hope younger ex Muslims make better choices than I did back then, given they have the convinience that people before them help create. May they stay brave and bold.

Modern homophobia traces their origin to abrahamic religions judaism, christianity and islam. I find it funny how people are against consensual relationships between people of same gender cause of thousand years old jewish-arabic mythology written by deser dwellers.

Like hello, most of our ancestors be it malay, chinese, indian, greek, africans dont care or perfectly fine with them until muslims and christians came and hijacked our culture.Padahal bugis ada 5 gender, fujian kat china ada gay marriages and gay/lesbian gods ( tu'er shen and gu po shen) etc.

I really cannot when I saw malay netzs say "mana ada agama yang terima LGBT". Hello, semua agama perfectly fine with LGBT kecuali agama samawi korang??? And seeing comments like "Kalau nak lgbt jangan panggil diri orang islam", but not allowing people to convert out?? Give people a break damn.

Journalism hardly publish these bcos scandalous 3R news gets more views & cytro visits.

Video: Honest Government Ad | Bulls*it™ by The Juice Media (for Search feature)

Religious studies distracts people from capitalism's profit making pollution. Video shows how "offsets" work, causing business scale pollution, global warming, extreme climate, agriculture food production & supply chain disruption, scarcity, price increase, profit for capitalists while majority are busy racing 3R & cost of living.

Keep reading holy scriptures while rich creates poverty (inflation reduce buying power).

This is the true problem with Islam.

Always someone else but never them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/s/fhZmuBHGo8

Muslim thinks an animal attack is now the same as rape attacks...

Sure rapists are animals but dogs and cats aren't capable of rational thought and decisions.

this is why everyone looks at Muslims and think only of retardism

"Kalau orang Islam tak tunggang agama, nak tunggang apa? - Pemuda PAS Kedah" by KiniTV. Source: https://youtu.be/spfDJ-5VrLg?si=6wZm17DsthvSkNQZ at 6:50

Why join a cult that guarantees you hell

Case 1: Man dies leaving behind two daughters, two parents, and a wife

• Two daughters: "But if there are daughters, two or more, for them is two-thirds (2/3 = 16/24) of one's estate." (Quran 4:11)
• Two parents: "And for one's parents, to each one of them is a sixth (2/6 = 8/24) of his estate if he left children." (Quran 4:11)
• Wife: "And for the wives is one fourth if you leave no child. But if you leave a child, then for them is an eighth (1/8 = 3/24) of what you leave." (Quran 4:12)

Total: 16/24 + 8/24 + 3/24 = 27/24 (112.5%) of the estate

Case 2: Woman dies leaving husband and two sisters

• Husband: "You will inherit half (1/2 = 3/6) of what your wives leave if they are childless." (Quran 4:12)
• Two sisters: "If this person leaves behind two sisters, they together will inherit two-thirds (2/3 = 4/6) of the estate." (Quran 4:176)

Total: 3/6 + 4/6 = 7/6 (116.7%) of the estate

You can't give more than 100% of a dead person's estate to relatives. The Quran offers no solution to this problem.

Fixing Allah's Fractions (Sunni vs Ibn Abbas vs Shia)

Sunni Fix

Umar (second caliph) ran into Case 2 and was stumped:

"By Allah, I do not know which of you comes first and which comes next. If I start with the husband and give him his right in full, the two sisters will not take their right in full; and if I start with the two sisters and give them their right in full, the husband will not take his right in full." (Islam Web, fatwa 222526)

So, Umar had to invent Awl: proportionally reducing Allah's fractions of the estate.

• Case 1 (Sunni): 16/27 + 8/27 + 3/27 = 27/27 (100%)
• Case 2 (Sunni): 3/7 + 4/7 = 7/7 (100%)

But Awl still contradicts Allah's fractions of the estate:

• Case 1 (Two daughters): 2/3 of the estate (Quran) ≠ 16/27 of the estate (Sunni)
• Case 2 (Husband): 1/2 of the estate (Quran) ≠ 3/7 of the estate (Sunni)

Ibn Abbas' Disagreement

And Ibn Abbas, who Muhammad prayed for to get the correct interpretation of the book (Sunan Ibn Majah 166), disagreed with Awl:

Ibn Abbas: "I was intimidated by [Umar], by God."
Az-Zuhri: "By God, were it not for the fact that he was preceded by a righteous imam [Umar], whose conduct was based on piety, no two scholars would have disagreed with Ibn Abbas."
Al-Bayhaqi, al-Sunan al-Kubra 12133

Shia Fix

Ali (fourth caliph) suggested reducing Allah's fractions for the sisters/wife:

• Case 1 (Shia): 13/24 + 8/24 + 3/24 = 24/24 (100%)
• Case 2 (Shia): 3/6 + 3/6 = 6/6 (100%)

But this also still contradicts Allah's fractions of the estate:

• Case 1 (Two daughters): 2/3 of the estate (Quran) ≠ 13/24 of the estate (Shia)
• Case 2 (Two sisters): 2/3 of the estate (Quran) ≠ 1/2 of the estate (Shia)

Common Responses

• "It's a ratio"
  • When Allah means a ratio between relatives, he says so: "the share of the male will be twice that of the female" (Quran 4:11). But in Case 1 and Case 2, Allah assigns each relative a fixed fraction "of the estate."
• "Hidden premise"
  • You don't need a hidden premise to read 2/3 of the estate as 2/3 of the estate. You need a hidden premise to read 2/3 of the estate as 4/7 of the estate. The Quran internally states the conditions (heirs) and assigns them mathematically impossible fractions.
• "Quran allows adjustment"
  • If the Quran already allowed adjustment, the prophet's companion and second caliph Umar wouldn't be stumped and have to fix it by changing the fractions.

Why did humans have to come up with a rule that changes Allah's fractions to make them work?

One verse would have solved it: "if it overflows, reduce proportionally."
But there is no solution in the Quran for this.

I have posted this argument and other arguments with citations here:
https://islamsproblems.com/quran-inheritance-math-error/u

Hi,

Seeking for neutral, practical advice on navigating difficult faith-related questions

Malay muslim female, hijabi - used to believe in islam quite strongly but have since grew apart from it, due to a mix of environment and having a non muslim partner. Family are very religious and have no idea of my true opinions on the religion

Need help deciding what I want from the religion - feels too shallow to just throw it away (and i believe there is a benefit to spirituality), but also I am at a point where a lot of what I read puts me off from the religion, and have wished there was another way without being 'stuck'

Have confidently come to believe in my heart that God / whatever being out there is actually more benevolent than the one I grew up learning about, and won't send people to hell for eating pork and refusing to wear a head scarf

There's also an additional element about my partner, who I refuse to rope into this mess and a huge question mark on how / if we will eventually move forward together (with kids, families)

The 'wait and see' method with my relationship is no longer sustainable, we both want to know if we can move forward, but I, and how I want to carry on with this religion and all its commandments, is a huge blocker

Conscious this is a heavy loaded question but I am looking for help on what to do, particularly what gave you clarity with how you felt about the religion and how you were finally able to be at peace with the decision. Is there a way you've been able to harmonise parts of the religion and have it make sense somehow?

Recipe for disaster

Neo Religions/Non Dogmatic Religions today:

1) Spawnism

2) Satanism

3) Wicca

4) Occultism

5) Paganism

Edited:

What do you think?