r/65Grendel 8d ago

XBR8208 with 120TGK

I ran with book max of 29.3gr, being I am running a Howa mini. Speed was there in the 18.5” barrel but it lacked accuracy. I did a little research and Internet lore claimed 28.5gr was the sweet spot. Loaded up 5 and let them rip. Albeit 50y, this is the type of accuracy I’m chasing.

Upvotes

15 comments sorted by

u/Trollygag 8d ago

You need more than just 5 rounds to compare.

5 shot group variance is >50% group to group just from probability and getting one that is double or half the size happens regularly.

Same for SD numbers.

u/Just_Onion9335 8d ago

Love xbr!

u/jonny-spot 8d ago

What is the COAL with 29.6? I know you’re running a bolt gun and all, but that much powder has to be coming up the neck of the case pretty far… I am getting crunchy at @27.5gr of most extruded powders with 2.260 COAL…

u/SqDC22 8d ago

2.300” at 29.3

u/jonny-spot 8d ago

Got it. Thanks. I gotta get me a Howa…

u/Dirty_Blue_Shirt 8d ago edited 8d ago

Those velocities seem low for a 120gr bullet with that much 8208 in an 18.5”.

In a gas gun and an 18” barrel with 123s I am seeing 2500fps at 28.3gr. It is with 123 ELDMs so there will be some difference but that feels like a lot.

u/Lordrunkuss 6d ago

Can you tell me a bit more about this loading

28.3 seems awefuly hot when I look at my load data for 8208 and 123. The brass from bullets hitting much over 2400 seemed to be showing some hard signs of over pressure

u/Dirty_Blue_Shirt 6d ago

It’s almost max in Lyman’s and over max in a number of others. Definitely a hot load and not one I would go up right up to. (CCI450, 8208xbr 28.3, 123ELDMs, 2.255”)

I know others have more easily matched this velocity with 2520 and leverevolution which I might try soon because while it will show no pressure signs the vast majority of the time ( I have shot over 5k of this) every once in a while it will leave swipes on every other piece of brass (hornady). 8208 behaves a little erratic at high charges.

u/Lordrunkuss 5d ago

What do you mean by swipes?
Damn that Lyman data is interesting, it’s quite a bit higher than my sierra data

u/Dirty_Blue_Shirt 5d ago edited 5d ago

Shiny spots on by the ejector.

But yea this is higher than my other Hornady, Sierra, and hodgedon data.

The only other source that gives anything this high is the Grendel reloading handbook. But I take that with a grain of salt since it really compiles data rather than tests loads.

Let me be very clear though, i don’t recommend anyone push up to that load. I just know it works in MY rifle.

u/Lordrunkuss 4d ago

I just had a thread about why I had trouble getting a predictable result with a ladder charge test with 8208 123 in a 6.5
I maxed out under your load and have no interest in going that high, if I can get 2400 ish fps with this setup out of a 20 inch barrel I’ll be happy with its place in my gun collection.
Your post just caught my attention for being a full grain above what i shot

u/Dirty_Blue_Shirt 4d ago

It’s all about use case. I wouldn’t push velocity to the edge if I wasn’t shooting an 18” Grendel to 1K yards several times a month. But for me leaving 100fps on the table matters.

https://reddit.com/link/p7lg7ll/video/r7qbdczoqbnh1/player

u/Lordrunkuss 4d ago

Forgive me for all of the questions, crimping or no?
Nice setup.
I’m looking to learn 500 yards and reading wind, so I don’t need the extra 100
Thank you so much for all this info so far

u/Dirty_Blue_Shirt 4d ago

No problem we are all here to ask questions and figure stuff out.

I don’t crimp Grendel at all and have never had any setback issues. I don’t think many people do crimp Grendel although I am sure some do.

u/Tight_muffin 8d ago

Sweet now load up 20 of them and see what it does to the group and velocity numbers.