r/neapolitanpizza Jun 28 '23

BEGINNER'S GUIDE /R/NeapolitanPizza – Beginner's Guide

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Welcome to /r/NeapolitanPizza!

A culinary hub for enthusiasts of Neapolitan pizza, a place where aficionados and novices alike unite to celebrate this iconic dish. Whether you're here to relish in the mastery of artisanal Neapolitan pizza, or embark on a journey of learning to unravel its timeless charm, you've found your home. Dive in, savor the flavors, share your experiences, and discover the magic of Neapolitan pizza with us!

TL;DR

  • Don't be a dick.
  • This subreddit is a hub for all things Neapolitan pizza, including questions, discussions, oven reviews, techniques, ...
  • This subreddit requires detailed recipes for every pizza post.
  • Recipes should include measurements, flour specifications (type + brand), technique, and oven details.
  • Flairs should be used to categorize posts and users.
  • The mod team encourages diverse toppings other than Margherita/Marinara.
  • A high-temperature oven and other specific tools are strongly recommended.
  • The mod team encourages members, that don't have access to a high-temperature oven yet, to submit their pizza, as long as their intention to craft a Neapolitan pizza is evident.
  • Neapolitan pizza is characterized by its elevated edge, soft dough texture, and high-temperature baking (380-430°C for the cooking surface and around 485°C for the oven dome), with a baking time of 60-90 seconds.

Table of Contents

  • Main Rules
    • Reddiquette
    • Recipes are Required
    • Post and User Flairs
    • Content
  • What Is Neapolitan Pizza, and How Is It Different from Verace Pizza Napoletana?
  • What Is Not Neapolitan Pizza?
  • Three Characteristics a Neapolitan Pizza Shouldn't Have
  • What Equipment Is Necessary to Make This Type of Pizza?
  • What If I Only Have a Domestic Oven?
  • Resources

Main Rules

You can access the complete set of community rules from several locations. If you're browsing on a desktop, you'll find them conveniently located in the sidebar. For those using the Reddit App, simply tap on "See community info", located just below the community description. As an alternative, you can directly view the rules by clicking here. These guidelines are designed to ensure our community remains a positive and informative space for all members.

Reddiquette

We uphold the Reddiquette in this community. Any member who misbehaves risks losing their membership privileges. If you ever feel harassed by one of our members, or witness any form of harassment, please inform us. We will investigate the matter and take appropriate action as swiftly as possible. Alternatively, you can report the incident directly to the Reddit Admins.

Recipes are Required

This subreddit has a mandatory requirement for detailed recipes to accompany all Neapolitan pizza submissions. This policy aids in maintaining our community as an informative and enjoyable space for everyone. In order to enforce this rule, our dedicated bot, u/NeapolitanPizzaBot, will automatically post a sticky comment beneath every pizza submission. This comment serves as a reminder for the author to provide a comprehensive recipe in a reply to this comment within a two-hour window.

Failure to provide a recipe within the allotted time will result in automatic removal of the submission by our bot. However, if the author subsequently provides a detailed recipe, the bot will re-approve and reinstate the submission.

We believe this process ensures a beneficial experience for all members by promoting information sharing and interaction around our shared love for Neapolitan pizza.

What should your recipe entail?

  1. Detailed Measurements: Precise quantities of all dough ingredients are required, measured in weight. For the convenience of fellow enthusiasts, including baker’s percentages is greatly appreciated.
  2. Flour Specifications: Please mention the specific brand and type of flour used. For instance, Caputo Pizzeria, Caputo Classica, L 5 Stagioni Napoletana, etc.
  3. Technique and Methodology: Be sure to elaborate on your process. This includes aspects such as fermentation time both in bulk and balls, the stretch and fold method, autolysis, and so forth.
  4. Oven and Temperature Details: Specify the type of oven used for baking and the floor temperature during the baking process Your detailed contributions will greatly enhance our shared repository of knowledge, enabling everyone to perfect their Neapolitan pizza-making skills!

An example can be found here.

Post and User Flairs

It's crucial to use our flair system to accurately categorize your posts. By selecting the appropriate post flair, members can instantly see relevant details such as the type of oven you used or if the pizza was enjoyed at a restaurant. This helps streamline navigation and aids in the understanding of your post context.

Additionally, we strongly urge you to select the appropriate user flair that corresponds to the oven you use. This additional layer of information can enhance interactions and discussions within our community, making it a more enjoyable and informative place for all.

Content

This community revolves around all things Neapolitan pizza. We welcome photographs of your Neapolitan pizzas including detailed recipes in the comments, questions, discussions, reviews, and more. We highly encourage our members to be more creative with their toppings - remember, Neapolitan pizza does NOT imply that only Margheritas and Marinaras are permitted. We're always eager to see more cross-sections of the cornicione and photos of your pizza-making process! This subreddit has the gallery feature enabled. Therefore, feel free to take full advantage of it to share your pizza journey with us! :)

What Is Neapolitan Pizza, and How Is It Different from Verace Pizza Napoletana?

The defining characteristics of a Neapolitan pizza lie in its elevated edge, known as the "cornicione," and the soft, elastic texture of its dough. This pizza is baked on a stone floor under high temperatures, with the cooking surface ranging between 380-430°C, and the oven dome temperature hitting around 485°C. To maintain its unique dough texture, baking should be confined within 60-90 seconds.

The primary dough components of Neapolitan pizza dough are flour, water, salt, and yeast. However, traditional sourdough or Lievito Madre can also serve as viable yeast substitutes. As for toppings, Neapolitan pizzas typically employ a minimalist approach, featuring few but high-quality ingredients. The classics are the Marinara and Margherita, though other toppings are certainly permissible.

It's worth noting the nuanced differences between Pizza Napoletana (Neapolitan Pizza) and Verace Pizza Napoletana (true Neapolitan Pizza). The latter strictly adheres to traditional norms, allowing only the Marinara and Margherita variations and insisting on the use of local ingredients from the Campania region.

That said, a pizza adorned with tomatoes from other regions or non-traditional toppings can still classify as a Neapolitan pizza. The key lies in retaining the requisite dough characteristics, which are achieved through a quick baking process in a high-temperature oven. Despite the variety, the focus always rests on honoring the unique texture and taste of the iconic Neapolitan pizza dough.

What Is Not Neapolitan Pizza?

There's a common occurrence of misinformation when it comes to Neapolitan pizza.

  • A Margherita is not inherently a Neapolitan pizza.
  • A pizza featuring a raised edge is not by default a Neapolitan pizza.
  • Pizza crafted with Neapolitan pizza dough is not automatically considered a Neapolitan pizza.

Three Characteristics a Neapolitan Pizza Shouldn't Have

Top left: Enzo Coccia; central left: Arne Jervell; bottom left: Gino Sorbillo, top right: blog.back-wahn.de ; central right: amazingribs.com; bottom right: thefreshloaf.com

What Equipment Is Necessary to Make This Type of Pizza?

Given the extreme heat required to properly bake a Neapolitan pizza (baking surface: 380-430°C; dome: 485°C), a specialized oven that can reach these temperatures is a necessity. In recent years, the market has seen a surge of high-temperature-capable ovens. Among the most renowned are Ooni, Roccbox, and the Pizza Party models (both the Terracotta and the Adore Steel versions).

In addition, several electric ovens have proven effective for this purpose, such as the EffeUno P134H(A), EffeOvens N3, N4, N5, and the Ooni Volt 12.

Moreover, a pizza peel is an essential tool for any pizza artisan. If you don't already own one, it's a worthy investment. An IR (Infrared) thermometer is another key piece of equipment for accurately measuring the floor temperature of your oven. Both items are readily available online and typically quite affordable.

By equipping yourself with these essential tools, you'll be well-prepared to embark on your Neapolitan pizza-making journey.

What If I Only Have a Domestic Oven?

Let's start with the less encouraging news: achieving a true Neapolitan pizza can be a challenge if your oven cannot reach the high temperatures required. The extended baking time in a lower-temperature oven can result in a pizza that lacks the characteristic softness of a Neapolitan pizza.

But there's good news too: there are several modifications you can make to approximate the Neapolitan pizza experience. One strategy involves the use of a baking stone or, more ideally, a baking steel, thanks to its superior thermal conductivity. You can enhance the oven's heat intensity by positioning the steel or stone as close as possible to the top heat element or broiler, essentially creating a mini oven within your home oven. Slightly propping open the oven door can also extend the active phase of the top heat element or broiler.

Opting for a dough with higher hydration can also bring you closer to the texture of a Neapolitan pizza. Traditional Neapolitan pizza dough has a hydration level of 55-62% and bakes for just 60-90 seconds. Techniques such as a poolish pre-ferment or using a water roux can help mitigate excessive moisture loss during the longer baking time in a domestic oven.

With these adjustments, you can certainly create a delicious pizza that, while not strictly Neapolitan, comes closer to it and still offers a delightful dining experience.

At this juncture, we, the moderating team, wish to express our encouragement for members to share their Neapolitan pizza creations baked in home ovens. Even if your pizzas don't precisely meet all the traditional criteria, as long as your intention to craft a Neapolitan pizza is evident, we welcome your posts. We all start somewhere, and in the spirit of growth and learning, we're more than willing to make exceptions. Let's celebrate our shared love for Neapolitan pizza, no matter where we are on our pizza-making journey!

Ressources

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Resources

Glossary

Flour Guide

Baker's Percentage

AVPN-Rules

Dough Recipes

Sauce Recipes

Useful Links (YouTube, Books, Websites)


r/neapolitanpizza May 31 '24

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Megathread for Questions and Discussions

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Did you already check the following sources?

If your question specifically concerns your pizza dough, please post your full recipe (exact quantities of all ingredients in weight, preferably in grams) and method (temperature, time, ball/bulk-proof, kneading time, by hand/machine, etc.). That also includes what kind of flour you have used in your pizza dough. There are many different Farina di Grano Tenero "00". If you want to learn more about flour, please check our Flour Guide.


r/neapolitanpizza 9h ago

Pizza Party (Classic) 🔥 Frozen biga dough

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I froze the biga after 48h and made pizza one week later. The crust didn't rise quite as well as it would have if the dough were fresh but the taste was good.


r/neapolitanpizza 50m ago

Experiment How to blast/flash freeze a neapolitan pizza

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Hello. I recently thought about flash freezing pizzas as I want to expand my pizza venture.

I found out flash/blast freezing creates smaller water crystals, therefore after reheating the pizza stays relatively the same as when you take it out of the oven.

My process is:
Koda 16, flash freezer, freezer for storage. Also should I half-vacuum it or there are better ways to pack it?

Thanks for the input!!


r/neapolitanpizza 1d ago

Pizza Party (Classic) 🔥 Margherita Monday

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r/neapolitanpizza 1d ago

Ooni Pro 🔥 Vegetarian (and others), 50% biga

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65% hydration/50% biga

Caputo Pizzeria (blue bag)
biga 45%, preferment 12 hours TA (74F)
Main dough 65% hydration, bulk ferment 30 minutes TA
Portioned, CF 14 hours (40F)
Ooni koda 18” for about 2 minutes

Technique:
Mixed biga by hand. I didn’t leave it in strands like a lot of videos suggest. I made sure there was no loose flour by hand kneading. I may refine this technique later, but the result seemed pretty good. The biga came out as a spongy thick loaf with lots of little air pockets throughout.

After pre-fermentation, I cut the biga up and used a KYS mixer. Started with about 80% of the remaining water and yeast, and gradually added the remaining flour and water little by little. I used very cold water, but no ice. Mixing took 22 minutes, dough was room temp once touch. The added kosher salt after the dough was incorporated.

Made a large ball and fermented at TA for 30 minutes, then portioned 260g balls. Placed them in 3.2 cup takealong containers very lightly sprayed with olive oil, then into fridge for 14 hours.

Launched into Ooni Koda 2 pro, cook time about 90 seconds

Removed loaves from fridge 4 hours before baking.

Pictured the vegetarian (red onion, mushroom, jalapeño, basil) but made 3 others:
- margherita
- sausage, pepperoni, red onion, jalapeño (2)

My only issue was the containers I had the loaves proofing in popped open from the gas, so a small part of the dough ball dried out on the exposed surface. Otherwise nice airy, chewy corcione.


r/neapolitanpizza 18h ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION No rise. Garbage or rescue?

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Sick of results like this.

Recipe in photo. Also:

Flour is a blend of Anna Napolitana Tipo 00 and KA Napolitan Pizza flour.

14 hr RT biga ferment.
3 hr rise time at RT with 2-3 slap & folds throughout.
Balled and 30 hrs CT (fridge.)
4 hrs RT with even a reball an hour out of the fridge.

No rise. No air. Thoughts on what’s going on here? Can I rescue or recycle this?

I’ve probably made 100 pies. Some good but never great. Vito recipes. Gemigniani. Sisofo. Pizza App. Pizza Dough app. There’s always something wrong… only exception is Sisofo recipes.

So tired of spending several days to make a dough batch and when I’m ready to open up the pizza oven, I have nothing to work with.

Discouraged.

It’ll be hamburgers on the grill for Labor Day.

Edit: Ambient RT is 73degF


r/neapolitanpizza 1d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Neapolitanische Pizza bestes Rezept

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Hallo zusammen, ich mache extrem gerne Neapolitanische Pizza, suche allerdings aktuell nach dem besten Rezept... Aktuell verwende ich das von Teichnerspizzapalace bei dem man

- 1000g Caputo Cuoco

- 650g Wasser

- 30g Meersalz

- 3g Hefe

verwendet

Nach diesen Vorgaben:

https://www.teichners.de/blogs/blog/der-absolute-favorit-svens-48-stunden-pizzateig-rezept

Allerdings erhalte ich immer nur 5,5 Teiglinge statt 6 und diese haben öfters mal beim ausbreiten ein Loch. Hat vielleicht jemand Tipps oder ein anderes Rezept? Ich überlege aktuell ob es sich eventuell Lohnen könnte eine Knetmaschine anzuschaffen und anstattdessen mit einem Biga zu arbeiten aber ich bin unsicher wie Groß der Vorteil wäre.

Vielen Dank für alle Antworten!


r/neapolitanpizza 17h ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION How high does proofing box need to be for 48h 280g dough?

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There are two options: Ones that are 10cm high (3.9 inch) and ones that are 7cm high (2.75inch)

I used to have 10cm high ones and never thought about it cause they obviously worked. I dont have them anymore and now need to buy 4 new boxes for 24 pizzas on the weekend. I didnt even know they come in two sizes so now my ADHD brain can't decide.

The 10cm high ones obviously work but my fridge will be super packed and by going for the 7cm ones I could save quite a bit of space. Especially since I need to transform them to the hosts kitchen, and they for sure won't have that much space available. On the other hand, my fear is the 7cm ones could be too low? Like the dough would touch the lid while rising, if the box was packed with 6 doughs. So I dont wanna go for the cheaper and "save space" option, only to then realize that 24 pizza doughs stick to the lids.

Can somebody from experience say whether these 7cm ones are enough? I mean they obviously need to be otherwise they wouldnbt be sold, but I just wanna make sure

Its gonna be a 48 hour dough with ~280g dough

Thank you!


r/neapolitanpizza 18h ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Discouraged with my pizzas

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Hi there, I’m turning to you for advice because I’m honestly feeling really disheartened.

I’m on my fourth attempt at making Neapolitan pizzas, and frankly, I find the whole process a struggle.

For instance, during my third attempt using Caputo Pizzeria flour, the dough was very hard to stretch and kept snapping back. This caused holes to form, so it stuck to the peel and made a huge mess of the stone in my Diavola Pro v3. I blamed it on the dough balls being too tight.

Today, I tried again. I followed Sergio’s 24-hour protocol to the letter, using Caputo Pizzeria flour:

1kg flour 670g water 23g salt 1.13g yeast Room temperature: 24°C.

Saturday at 6 AM: - Kneaded the dough by hand. Two sets of four folds. The dough wasn't sticky after the folding—it was perfect. - Rested at room temperature for 4 hours. The dough expanded by about 30%; looked great. - Rested in the fridge (cold fermentation) for 21 hours. - Shaped into balls, being careful this time not to make them too tight. 6 balls at 260g each. - Rested for 4 hours at 22–24°C.

The dough balls puffed up slightly without flattening out. In short, they looked beautiful.

They were slightly sticky, so I dusted them with flour. But then, stretching them was a disaster again. The dough snapped back and tore; I got flour all over the peel, and my stone ended up in a terrible state. It took me about 7–8 minutes to stretch just one ball, yet the diameter didn't even exceed 24cm.

I managed to get one ball right, more or less, but overall, I’m just so disappointed. I should have taken a photo because, visually, the pizzas looked great—the crusts had risen beautifully. My guests loved them, especially the way they looked. Personally, though, I found them rubbery; the crusts weren't airy enough. And the stretching process, in particular, was a disaster.

I’d really like to understand what’s going wrong. I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I love making pizza, but this experience has really put me off. It becomes incredibly stressful once I get to the stretching stage, even when everything else seems to be going well.

Thanks for reading—I look forward to hearing your thoughts! :)


r/neapolitanpizza 2d ago

Pizza Party (Classic) 🔥 Do you use wood or gas?

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r/neapolitanpizza 2d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION The unsexy step that actually makes or breaks a Neapolitan pizza: clean box extraction

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Everyone talks about flour types, hydration percentages, and oven temps, but the step that used to mess up my stretches early on was simply getting 72-hour cold-fermented dough out of the proofing box cleanly.

If the dough sticks or tears coming out of the tub, you lose your air structure before the stretch even begins.

Working line shifts in a commercial kitchen, the number one fix for this is being completely unshy with semolina flour. Dusting around and under the ball properly creates that clean release every single time without tearing the bottom skin.

Curious how you all handle sticky dough balls during high-hydration dough extraction—do you swear by semolina, fine 00 flour, or a mix?


r/neapolitanpizza 2d ago

Ooni Koda 16 🔥 Finally some decent results with my Kenwood workflow

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I was really frustrated about not getting the dough to rise before just to find out that my yiest actually died from the hot summer temperature and leaving it too long in the car 😂

I havent been digging into biga and poolish etc yet but just dump everything into my Kenwood bowl, which I put in the fridge, together with some icecubes. the salt in the end. 8 min kneeding, 4 hours RT, one day in the fridge.


r/neapolitanpizza 2d ago

Roccbox 🔥 Happy with my new dough process

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Autolyse Mix 90% of the cold tap water (I use filtered water from the refrigerator) with all of the flour to form a shaggy dough and let rest for 30 minutes.

Rehydrate During autolyse, heat the remaining 10% of water to 100°F, add a pinch of sugar, and sprinkle in the yeast.

Mix Incorporate the yeast into the dough. Add salt in batches. Knead the dough until its temperature reaches 77°F. I mix by hand, and it usually takes 10-15 minutes.

Bulk ferment covered at room temperature, 68°F, for 19 hours, then ball and place in proofing containers for the remaining 5 hours.


r/neapolitanpizza 2d ago

Ooni Karu 🔥 Margherita + Salami and Onion

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r/neapolitanpizza 3d ago

Oven Review Diavola made on lidl oven

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Hello,

I made a pizza on a 60$ pizza oven from lidl

The results are very good tbh :D


r/neapolitanpizza 3d ago

EffeOvens N3⚡ What do u think about this gluten free?

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Hello guys, I've been perfecting gluten-free pizza for a long time, trying to make it look more and more like a traditional Napoletana pizza. What do you think about it?


r/neapolitanpizza 2d ago

Pizza Party (Classic) 🔥 No pics but feeling appreciative and happy

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Hey yall -

been a member of this sub for a couple months. I’m gluten free ( medically not by choice ), and I hosted a party where I cooked 10 gluten pizzas and used the advice from this sub.

I’m really appreciative of all the advice and nits given out on this subreddit. Yall rock and I was able to make tasty pizza for my guests without being able to sample it personally.


r/neapolitanpizza 3d ago

Gozney Dome 🔥 Margherita - Sourdough Biga

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This was my first attempt at sourdough biga using very normal US flours you can find in most grocery stores. I made a 70% biga with bread flour, matured overnight, then refreshed with all purpose flour. 72% hydration, 2.8% salt, baked around 875F. I mixed to a temp of 68F and rested the dough about 20 minutes before balling. The balls were ready to use in about 4 hours, all room temp fermentation. I enjoyed the texture and will try a slightly lower amount of biga (55-60%) to reduce the acidity. The crumb shot is from a different pizza using the same dough.


r/neapolitanpizza 2d ago

Experiment First kamado pizza

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Beef ragu + spicy chorizo + red onion. Worked out pretty well but it took an hour to heat up


r/neapolitanpizza 3d ago

Ooni Karu 🔥 First biga

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On todays episode of AuDHD guy eats the same pizza every week, hot honey & pepperoni using the Properoni hot paprika large slices.

This week tried out my first 100% biga neapolitan as seeing it everywhere online. Was a little more difficult to get the dough together this morning for the final mix but was definitely worth it for the flavour and a really nice crumb.

Recommend using a biga on bigger batches - I expect it'll be easier to bring it all together using the mixer instead of by hand!

280g dough ball using Ooni 00 flour, baked on the Karu 2 with propane.

Shout me some topping combos and help me break the hot honey pep cycle.


r/neapolitanpizza 4d ago

EffeOvens N3⚡ Neapolitan Pizza in effeuno N3

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Hi guys, some pizzas that I made Yesterday

70% hidro 💧

Oven temperature 450°C (Effeuno N3)

Cooking time 80 seconds aprox


r/neapolitanpizza 5d ago

Ooni Koda 🔥 Chasing that classic, crispier cartwheel style rather than modern Neapolitan. Any advice?

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Done in a Ooni Koda 12. Working on better turning in the oven (pretty hard as it’s so small).


r/neapolitanpizza 4d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Is this enough volume gain for sourdough Neapolitan pizza?

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6 hours bulk fermentation, will do an overnight proof, about 12 hours.


r/neapolitanpizza 5d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION How do I make my rim flatter for Ariete 909?

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So I don't remember where I found this recipe (partially I just developed it from some more complicated recipes around the internet, partially watched lot of YT videos), but it was working fine for me – and it's so easy to scale, I forgot all the other recipes – this works for me for two pizze:

  • 400g Caputo Pizzeria
  • 280g water
  • 1 tsp Caputo dry yeast
  • 12g salt
  • 20g olive oil

Just mixing flour and yeast while adding water in about 1/4 volume each time, kneading in stand mixer for 10 minutes, then adding olive oil, then adding salt. Fermentation 24-48h at 4°C, then splitting into balls, folding, ~1h rest at the room temperature, folding, ~30 minute rest, stretching, putting sauce and toppings, baking. Probably 10 minutes hands-on activity in total.

*BUT* when my firebrick pizza stone died, for whatever reason I bought Ariete 909 (probably because it was cheap and red, I like red appliances). And while it's quick, nice, and easy, and crisps the bottom extremely well, my rim is always *VERY* burnt from the upper heating element.

I'll be starting the dough for the weekend in a several hours. Is there a way I can easily modify my recipe, so the rise on the rim is slightly lower? Change hydration, reduce yeast, some special stretching technique? I still want to have a nice rim, just slightly less risen. And almost every thread about the rim I was able to find was about the opposite issue.