Consider this a completely frivolous nitpick.

Tactics Ogre (SNES, PSX, Saturn) always had the subtitle "Let Us Cling Together" from the Queen song. When there were just five games with no remakes (only ports), the community used "OB:MotBQ", "OB64", "OB Gaiden", "TO:LUCT", and "TO:TKoL" for abbreviations.

Recently I said "I played LUCT to death" meaning my copy of the PSX game (and the SNES game when it got translated) and someone thought I meant the PSP game? And I've seen people use that in other contexts to mean the PSP game too, with the original awkwardly being called "The original game" or "the SNES version" or something.

This is not an important question, it's just something I'm wondering about lol, I don't get it.

Making my way through some end endgame shenanigans to fully break the game. Created a 4x bodyswapped lich with near max int/mnd and warrior, dragoon, and terror knight skills for good measure or a start but still wondering about a few things to potentially make my other endgame efforts a little more efficient.

1. Im wondering about some other cool ideas for building out broken units using the Ogre blade and body snatch? Thinking about transferring lich skills onto someone like a matriarch or familiar but not exactly sure on the process? As I understand I would take the desired unit w Ogre Blade and use Ring of the Dead in the same battle first, to turn them into a lich, but also keeping the ogre blade equipped to then body snatch into a patriarch/matriarch, thereby passing on the lich skills? Where is the best place to find a patriarch/matriarch to do this, ideally lower level so it can still enjoy the leveling benefits of the bodysnatch?

2. What is the most effective way to farm HG general weapons? More directly I’m wondering: can I retreat from the battle after picking up the desired weapon drop from the boss? Will I keep the weapon? Will I retain the heavenly fork initially needed? Curious because I already have the weapons and want to max a few, but if the battle needs completed to keep the drop then it becomes more time consuming since previous areas will need to be fought again to reaccess the HG fight.

3. What is the best equipment for Shaman units like Olivya or Sherri, specifically im talking about the elemental wands, robes and chokers? They say they boost their respective element abilities but Im wondering if this is really the case and how beneficial it is over say something like garb of the sages which is better statwise?

Sorry if these have been answered conclusively elsewhere. Im no stranger to the neoseeker guide and coffeepotato, and warren report vids, etc. but haven’t really found the answers im looking for through all of the stuff Ive looked into regarding this stuff.

So, recently (that means today) I started playing Tactics Ogre Reborn. I'm a person with a small but discrete history in enjoying tactical RPGs, and for the past few months I have been playing another title, Unicorn Overlord, which I absolutely LOVED every second of the 111 hours spent to 100% it; after finishing that, I told myself "cool, let's see what other TRPG games I can find on Switch that isn't Fire Emblem" and that's how I ended up with Tactics Ogre Reborn.

The first impression was... rough, to say the least.

From a visual standpoint it obviously can't be helped, moving from a Vanillaware game to a 1995 remake, but that is something I can live with; the real problem is the rest.
Lorewise, rather than a slow start that gives you time to take-in stuff, the game dropkicked me deep into the story from the very first cutscene, naming people and events that I had to re-check on the compendium later to even understand wtf I had just been told, to the point where for a moment i legit feared I picked up a sequel to another game that heavily assumes you already have knowledge of what you are getting into (I know this game is supposed to be the 7th chapter of something, but i also thought it was a standalone story?). Not exactly a great feeling, but the introduction to gameplay only made it worse.

Once again, it really feelt like the game expects you to be already familiar with its gameplay from having played previous titles of a serie that does not exist. The "tutorial" mission was the WORST introduction to gameplay I have ever experienced in a game, with 8 npcs (plus enemies) whose actions you don't even control, randomly telling you gameplay tips that half of the time did not even reflect the actions they were literally doing in that moment, as if saying "remember this later, it will be on the test", and fights happening before I could even see the stats/condition of who was attacking who (I know it's just the usual stat-comparison, with accuracy and expected damage and etc., but they didn't even stay on screen long enough for me to SEE them. What kind of tutorial is this supposed to be, what am I supposed to learn??), all while you just wait the turn of the ONE guy you control so that you can move and not even attack because nobody is in range; all i did was pick up loot only to later read in the tips menu you don't even need to do that since it's automatically collected at the end (then why did the game not tell me THAT when the first loot bag dropped??). So instead of a tutorial where i get instructed step by step on how everything works, I experienced a long cutscene where I did not have the means to understand half of the """explanations"""; literally, I was not completely lost purely because I've played similar games before.
To compare it again to Unicorn Overlord, that game does have some complexity of its own with the squads and units' tactics system, but you get fed it little by little and withing a few hours I could safely say I understood everything already. This one? Info dump and good luck.
But okay, it's still the remake of a game from the '90s, you can't expect the handholding levels of modern tutorials.

Except that as soon as the battle was over, it only became even more overwhelming. Four unnamed fuckers get thrown into my army, I get dumped with 30.000 gold and they just tell me "Here's the shop, prepare your army and try not to die. Good luck."
And I had legit no idea what the fuuu to do.
The fact that my "army" isn't named characters like I'm used to but generic mercenaries you are supposed to fully build yourself from scratch was already a bit of a blow, but now I have to worry about equipment, spells, recruits, stats, allignments, etc. with no explanation? Zero, nada, nilch? And it's not like you start with 2-3 options so you can learn slowly, no, you are just left right into it on your own. What do you mean my own units can desert if they are unhappy, and why do I only learn it from poking around in the menu??
Now how DO i prepare my army? Which units do I recruit, how many, which stats do I look out for, which equipment, spells, consumable should I prioritize? Does it even matter?? After attempting to browse the multiple unexplained menus and pages in the shop a little, I just closed it without a single purchase because legit I was too overwhelmed to know what to do. Why does this game not explain anything, and I haven't even gotten to the first real battle! (Also, can we talk for a second about how awful the "help" button is? It's supposed to help explain everything on screen, from UI to terminology, but the highlighting on selected options you want explained is so miniscule that the biggest challenge was not the explanation, but tracking what was being explained!)

Again, I WANT to enjoy this game. It 100% is a game I could enjoy (hell, the battle gameplay is pretty much just Triangle Strategy, another TRPG i absolutely loved to completion), but the start was SO rough that after barely an hour, for the first time in my entire life, I lowkey regretted buying a game.
But I do want to play it. I bought, and I'll be damned if I don't finish it now. And I mean enjoying it, not rushing to the first ending I get and never picking the game up again. Just... I'll definitely need some help at the start. I already know the story has plenty of decision that will give me regrets, I don't need to add gameplay regrets too.

Tldr, if you justifiably didn't feel like reading a wall of text and complaints, any kind soul willing to offer tips for a newbie that wants to get into the game?

I completed all 3 routes of the OG game and here's what I think about it, as well as some comparisons to Reborn.

Straight of the bat, I have a very unpopular opinion: the original game is my favorite version of Tactics Ogre. At first getting used to different mechanics took some time, however the game felt extremely satisfying as I understood more of it (which is pretty common for all Matsuno games) What I like in the original game compared to Reborn is how every mechanic felt placed intentionally and how much better paced the game is. In Reborn you start of with a few classes already unlocked, but then for you to unlock new classes takes a very long time and is unnecessarily complicated. Other times you get bombarded with a bilion different items and spells unlocking at the same time and the sense of progression isn't steady. I remember that the first time I booted Reborn up, went to the shop and saw the list of items, I got overwhelmed. In the SNES release I've never had this feeling, in fact all the way up to the end of the game you end up discovering something new at a great pace. Now speaking of mechanics feeling intentional, I have to mention this. In Reborn I was always frustrated by why they would include things like Facing Direction, Weather effects, Loyalty, Male or Female units if none of these mechanics play any part in how the game is played. Don't get me wrong and think of me as someone who dislikes Reborn, as it's probably top 5 game of all time for me, but it really suffers from carrying over code and mechanics from the PSP release. If Reborn was a ground up remake it would have been a much better game for it, but unfortunately they had budget constraints that didn't allow for it. As someone who always had this frustration with Reborn mechanics feeling unbalanced, the SNES game really showed me why they were there in the first place. It was amazing seeing that Flame spells actually burn grass on the battlefield, how weather affects the strength of your spells, how easy it is to recruit any unit or class that you want while constantly discovering new items and spells along the way. I have a lot of things to say about each individual mechanic, but I just want to put it out there that I'm super glad there exists multiple version of this amazing game, and I found the one I like the most!

Apologies if it's been answered before.
I tried using google ai shenanigans to figure it out, but I would prefer if someone with solid knowledge could just answer me straight.

In the One Vision mod your character no longer depends on being in a specific class to gain stat growths to your main base stats yeah? (berserker for strength, wizard for MP)

I don't need to stay as rune fencer/spellblade If I want to make sure that Denam gets a lot of MP (and other good stats) before lord?

If that's true, and you no longer have to sit in one class until you unlock lord class, then how do I get more MP?
Is it strictly tied to the class and your character does not gain MP?

If I pick berserker and stayed as berserker all the way until I unlock lord, would I be severely gimping myself on MP gains? Or is that not how it works in the mod?

Sorry about a million questions. Thanks. About to play this game again after 4 years and decided to do a little bit more min-maxing this time around than the first time I played.

Even after doing “everything” I’m still finding stuff to do. I recently finished the final Coda 4 battle and thought that would be end of my time with the game. I already fought through PotD and San Bronsa many times farming most of the relics and maxing quite a few. Fought all the Heavenly Generals and farmed their weapons. I even went through the Coda 4 battle a few times to collect all of the Dark Knights weapons. My main squad is OP from all the charms I’ve collected from PotD and San Bronsa runs. With any other game I probably would have called it here.

But I still hadn’t messed with any of the Cursed Weapons and that’s what I’ve been doing currently, along with building out alternate squads. Hiring some poor sap, changing their name to something crazy (since that’ll be the weapon’s name), figuring out the right element and class, then sacrificing them to make a fast weightless WMD; it’s just all really cool!

There’s still a handful of Cursed Weapons I need to get to drop. Still need to do Coda 4 with just Denam, Catuia and Vyce. Still need to 100% the Warren Report. Still need to mess around with the Ogre Blade, get some more lichs, and divine knights. Honestly I still need to go back and let Donnalto die so I can get Felicia… Ive gotten in completionist mindsets with other games but nothing like this!

So fellow Tactics Ogre addicts what keeps you coming back to the game even after you feel you’ve done everything? What are new or different team comps you’ve tried? Elusive drops or recruits you keep trying for?

I lost my Reborn save after some asshat wiped it and I don't want to start the grind back up again. I'm gonna allow myself to be loose with the requirements, but I ask for a save that contains these things.

1. Neutral Route cleared with Catiua surviving, preferably Oelias and Dievold are alive too

2. Buccaneer class unlocked with Azelstan in the party

3. Songstress class is unlocked with Iuria being in the party.

4. Fusilier class is unlocked with Lindl in the party

5. The first few floors of the Palace of the Dead is completed with Rudlum being the party

6. The shamans have been unlocked with their ultimate spells.

7. Every unique/seni-unique character is still alive in the party.

I don't need all of these in a save, but those would be preferable. Thank you if you do have something along these lines

Playing Reborn. I got Lord class, and, following community advice, switched Denam to all the classes I had before going to Lord at level 36. I haven't done Bucaneer or Fusiler yet since those weren't available at the time. I noticed, now at level 40, that certain skills my other units have recently gotten (like Lament IV) did not transfer. Do I need to switch Denam around again (maybe when I get to 50?) Are there shenanigans with the Ogre Blade I should be using when I get that? As always, all advice is appreciated.

I'm playing Reborn and can't seem to find the right drop list for POTD. None of the floors correspond with mine. I think they might not be for the Reborn version despite their claim. Can someone please direct me to one that is?

Thanks

I grew up like a lot of 90s JRPGs fans just astonished by the SNES classics FFIV and VI, Chrono Trigger. They got me hooked on jrpgs at 5 years old. And they were easily the most impressive and immersive games for the snes, even outshining juggernauts like Super Metroid and Castlevania IV. But I gotta say Tactics Ogre has such depth on every facet of the game that I don't really think any other snes game can quite touch. It wasn't until i was 12 or 13 that I got this game for the PS1 and I was coming off FFT, so I had my expectations very high. I will admit at first, I was a little off put by the SEEMINGLY basic class customization and the less vibrant graphics. But as I progressed I realized there is so much beneath the surface and much more strategy was needed than in FFT. I fell in love with the game; it will always be a top 5 game for me. Currently playing the One Vision mod, and falling in love with it all over again. And man that soundtrack slaps 🤣

Playing Reborn. After watching some YouTube videos (shout out to Mr. Potato - your knowledge is appreciated, sir!), I realize I understand even less of this game than I thought. And I already didn't think I knew much. So....

1. How can I get Lord Denam's magic to actually do real damage? Is it the INT? Also, do the elemental/ racial bonuses of his equipped weapon matter?

2. So those stats on the weapons, pierce/ slash/ crush are actually primarily affecting my defense? Did I hear that right? Does it add a bonus to the finishers that deal that type of damage?

So as part of my no item run, I previously had a bunch of naked wizards hauling ass against an enfeebled final boss, chucking their basic ass bolt ftw while lord denam spammed out free rez.

Well apparently naked is old news. Did you know that dressing your casters (half of them male) in high boots, alluring dresses and luck rings make them irresistible (pun intended) to heavenly generals? Apply enfeebled, HP/life drain away, crit after crit. Fabulous. Also I love this game.

I'm in 2C and feeling just how "flat" the tactical depth is. I can't find any text about elements affecting terrain bonuses so I'm assuming that's no longer a thing. Combined with class-limited weapons, overcorrecting DEX's accuracy mechanic so it barely matters, refocusing equipement decisions purely on "number go up" (instead of the RT tradeoff having a big impact), flooding every class with skills so much that skills and spells are no longer rare and game-changing... I could go on. (the skills are "neat" and funish but I'm guessing they will just be obsolete in chapter 4, or they're going to make the chapter 3/4 skills seem like more of the same)

The VA (mostly), the music, the pace and generally the experience overall is still very fun and I don't regret that this remake was made. But really -- did they just sand off all the edges or am I missing something?

So I made it to level 100 but it was just a generic fight no named boss. it now wants me to exit but I'm not about to go through all 100 levels of this again without knowing what I did wrong. I remember reading online where someone said that you can replay previous chapters but I can't get that to work yet. what exactly do I need to do at this point?

I've reached to CODA2 using nothing but healing items and rez items 99% of the time (I'm a pathological consumable non-user, don't ask about my 200kg of potions and scrolls in Baldur's Gate 3 rotting in my backpack), but it was very useful to be warned to bring void orbs and MP restore items for hanging gardens / final campaign boss, it helped a ton. Anything like that for POTD? I don't want to find, idk, 88 floors in, that I'm missing a crucial item that makes the whole thing much easier (or is literally necessary).

I plan to go slowly, no auto-battle (I like to play a map or two per day to chill) and farm all the good equips. I've been to CODA and farmed San Bronsa, just never killed Nybeth so next step is worlding to chapter 4 and clearing POTD. I hope with lvl2 summons from San Bronsa it'll be a stroll, but it doesn't hurt to be extra prepared, so I thought I'll ask.

Similarly, should I train / reclass anyone besides having a roster of shamans, white knights, dragoons, valkyries and special characters? I've already recruited everyone except Warren and Lanselot since they require POTD clear first. Ngl no clue what I'm gonna do with those 2 as at that point the only content left only utilizes the main trio?

Final question, am I thinking this right if I did NOT do POTD so far, that I need to world to Heim (it's a law/Princess anchor), do POTD, do Hanging Gardens, do CODA1, then do CODA2/Warren quest/Blackmoor in one big sweep without veering off the course? Don't wanna break anything.

Reborn: why does switching from Damascus +1 1H sword to Dragon Fang dagger give Azelstan +27 attack, but Vyce gets -10? Neither has any dagger skills and both have sword skill in the 30s. Same weapons, VERY different outcomes. Why?

And chance for Knight of Lodis Reborn?

or Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen Reborn?

or dare I say, Person of Lordly Caliber Reborn?

I had stopped playing this years ago bc it felt like a slog(battles take 30mins) but recently found the time to come back and push my way through. I am trying to understand how the world tarot works if I want to do the end game stuff(CODA).

My first playthrough was on Neutral route. I did Lord, Fortresses, no PoTD though. I want to go back and recruit everyone and get Princess. I am currently on the Chaos route and got Cressida. What would be the best way to proceed? Should I beat PotD first and then get Princess for the anchor point, would this save my potd progress? Would I need to beat potd and then beat the last boss again?

I don’t know how going back and forth works. Could I first fast forward back to Coda, do Coda1 and recruit Iuria, then go back to the anchor point b4 Catiua, do potd, and then get princess, then fast forward to the end and do Coda 2, then go back again to do Law path and beat the game with princess to do coda 3 and 4? Just wondering how this works.