It’s funny to me how people rank on shit like Issa and Lawrence “mess”, when I feel like people hate S5 is because of the lack of mess.💀

All the seasons are realistic, but to me the realism in having coherent friendships and genuinely trying to figure shit out through the mayhem without a big blow over is something to really highlight.

Of course, things got taken up a notch in episode 9, but bruh I really feel like the story was crafted beautifully for a last season. People say Molly’s arc was rushed, but people forget there’s a year gap between Episode 1 and 2. Not everything has to be shown for things to make sense; I feel like we got a sense of why the arc happened in Season 4. And adulthood happens, or more so feels quick as hell like that sometimes. Lawrence figuring out coparenting was realistic AF; the arguments him and Condola had gave me some childhood triggering memories lmao. And Lawrence fighting for what he wants is actually an arc in itself when you contrast it to the very first episode and he’s scruffy as hell sitting on the couch all day. Like the stars been aligned for him and Issa, niggas not keeping it a buck with themselves lmao.

And Issa, I mean like, running her own business, reviving a friendship that she deeply cares about, letting go of ego in a lot of situations and spoke up for herself way more career and relationship wise in contrast to earlier seasons. And she made a choice that she knew she wanted but was fighting because of other people that’s not in her body, or circumstances that wasn’t substantial enough to knock her feelings out.

The subconscious need for drama when people watch shows is genuinely a conversation that needs to be had. If anything, Season 5 to me is a testament to how far things have come along for everybody. It’s not drama filled like S1 and 2, not feeling completely lost about shit like S3, and not black and white like S4. It encapsulates the realities of going after the things you want, being intentional with the people you love (as Molly said), and not giving a fuck about the external as long as you’re happy.

Anyways though, just wanted to share that. All the comments I seen about this season was from a couple of years ago lol, but this just me not giving a fuck about to e external; guess S5 has me inspired
Lol.

Some believe Condola had an abortion, but this isn't clearly stated. She only said she wasn’t ready with her husband and that this time she wants to keep it, which can be interpreted in various ways. I interpret it as her not having a child or trying to conceive when she was married because she wasn’t ready, but now, being established, she feels prepared and wants to keep it. One can be married and not be ready as of yet to have a baby, but that doesn’t mean you don’t want a baby with that person. Her saying 'this time' doesn’t automatically imply an abortion; unless she explicitly said the word, people should avoid claiming she had one. They can share their beliefs or interpretations, but shouldn't state it as fact without her direct statement. Hopefully, Issa addresses this on her podcast when the relevant episode is discussed.

Im so happy molly got her happy ending. She grew alot from season 1 to season 5.

I think Issa was wrong to ask Lawrence to stay and to sleep with him despite knowing he was still involved with Condola and on his way to see her. I believe Issa should have shared her feelings and then left. Out of respect for Condola, Issa shouldn’t have slept with Lawrence until he had fully ended things with Condola. Some might say, 'Oh, they weren’t friends and Condola ghosted her," but Condola also helped Issa’s career and provided resources she needed, and because she and Condola had a personal relationship—not just a connection as Lawrence’s ex—I believe Issa should have shown Condola more respect. Without Condola, her career might be very different. Molly was right when she said Issa uses people; she’s willing to step over anyone to get what she wants.

Im currently on season 4 episode 4, and im seeing there friendship slowly go down. I understand why Molly feels the way she does towards Issa cause Issa does throw digs at molly alot when it come to her and the relationship she has had with men and it is wrong. At the same time Molly hasn't always done right, they both aren't on the same page rn and it is showing.

Issa called Molly saying she wanted to talk ans Molly looked genuinely happy then Issa was like yea yea when Molly was talking then asked molly if she can "use some of that pillow talk on andrew" so he can get her a artistic for the block party.

I definitely understand why molly didnt ask Andrew cause this was her first real relationship in a long time since being a lawyer and she doesn't want to jeopardy that and I understand that completely this is the first guy she really really likes.

Im currently watching this show for the first time and im on season 3 episode 6 and im kinda getting tired of Lawrence. There not together anymore and we are still seeing him. If they don't get back together in the final season then what's the point.

Sorry if this has been clarified or talked about before. But it’s something I’ve never understood.

Okay in the last episode of season 1, we see Issa in Malibu at Kelly’s birthday. We see Lawrence in LA at the strip club. But then he calls her, she lets him know he can stay at the apartment if he wants while she’s out of town. They say they miss each other and plan to talk when she gets back in town. Then issa immediately goes back to see Lawrence and he isn’t there, but we’re made aware he went back to the apartment… but also went to Tasha’s house.

What exactly is this timeline? He did all of that on their drive from Malibu? Did he ever actually go to the apartment? Pls someone clear this up or is it meant to be ambiguous

Personal for me the first 3 seasons where great and i will definitely rewatch the first 3 season over and over aging. But when it comes to seasons 4 I can watch it it's just not as good as the first seasons for me because of the whole issa and molly fallout. The 5th season hell naw never watching aging i just skippened through the last 8 episodes of season 5 just so I can know what's going on with the series.

Does she not owe anyone a sincere explanation, apology, conversation, breakup, etc.?

Like in season 4, when she invited Molly to that diner after their terrible fight and she just acted like they were totally cool? (Yes! I know some will argue- ‘they both acted like nothing happened and Issa is not the only one responsible for initiating an adult conversation’ but here’s the thing- Molly is usually the confronter in all her relationships, while Issa is a serial avoider in hers. Why even reach out if you have nothing to say? Plus, after their lunch Molly pointed out they did not talk about the real issue between them whereas Issa said everything went great, things will blow over and Molly will warm up- so my point still stands. )

Then in season 5 ep1 Molly actually takes it upon herself to start the conversation when they’re at Stanford eating together outside and asks “Are we going to be okay?” and naturally Issa follows up with a joke, and then Molly tries to open up more and Issa just says NOTHING!!! Zero words!! How insane to just continually dodge your best friend’s attempts to reconcile(because if you rewatch that episode, even leading up to this moment, Molly was making all the attempts to get them talking and Issa just refused to say anything).

Then Issa flies back to LA, gets her complimentary airport pickup from Lawerence, before maybe dumping him? Maybe not? Who knows because all she said was “Ummmm. Lawerence I had a chance to.. to think and ummmm…..” and then literally NOTHING ELSE. Thats way too big of an age to be that avoidant. But that was literally her entire personality throughout the show. It’s just strange that everyone around her was alarmingly okay with it.

I've always wondered if Condola didn’t want to remarry and Lawrence knew about it. Why did they reconnect then? What were they hoping to accomplish with each other?

I always wonder why Lawrence asked Isa to dinner to talk, since it didn’t seem like he wanted to rekindle their relationship. I believe his intention was more about ego; he wanted answers about why she cheated on him, perhaps driven by lingering pride and curiosity. I think he believes he’s that special person, so he’s questioning what could have made her betray him, searching for explanations that would restore his sense of worth.

I’m currently doing my annual rewatch on insecure and truly everytime I watch I just feel more and more like Daniel was a better option than getting back together with Lawrence in the end. I know you can’t force things and so I always got the sense she just didn’t see him serious or as a long term partner. But I lowkey like him as more than a fling.

Molly is insufferable. She was ready to discard Issa just to avoid a conversation when she wanted one, but when her turn came to talk, she refused. This girl, I tell you 🙄

So, how do we feel about this tour cancellation? Just as I was about to solidify my plans for the event in my state, I received my ticket cancellation alert via Ticketmaster 😒

I got an email from Ticketmaster that my tickets were cancelled. I then logged in and see a bunch of cities got cancelled. Anyone know what happened?

What would you have done in this situation with you and your best friend? Would you try to work things out with her if you were Isa and your best friend was Molly, or would you let that friendship go?

I believe Issa was justified. Molly said she didn’t want to get involved, although that wasn’t her true intention. Issa simply followed through on her words and didn't involve her.

However, I also think Molly’s actions were understandable, even if her way of expressing herself wasn’t ideal. I can understand how Molly could be upset that Issa used her connection—namely her boyfriend—to succeed while not maintaining regular contact with her, only reaching out when she needed something.

I’m doing my annual Insecure rewatch and I know it feels like we talk about Molly a lot but her behaviour was specifically atrocious in season 4. I wonder what the writers had in mind with her character development for that season.

Do you think Candola handled the situation with Issa appropriately or inappropriately?

If Condola supposedly didn't take Lawrence seriously, what underlying reasons might explain her jealousy of Issa? Do you think her envy stems from a genuine desire to be with Lawrence, or could there be other factors at play? What specific aspects of Issa or the situation do you believe trigger Condola's feelings of jealousy?

Molly is one of those people that go to a few therapy sessions and thinks they’re more evolved than everyone else, but in reality their shit still stinks the most.

I hate when women make me take a man’s side lmao but Andrew was soooooo overly patient with Molly and an excellent boyfriend. He always let her win disagreements they had even when she was usually in the wrong, and if it was her feuding with others, he always supported her and validated her feelings though she would still be in the wrong (ex: starting an argument that could’ve waited until the next day at Issa’s big event). If anything I hate him for how much he enabled her childish victim mentality behavior. She never ever compromised for Andrew but Andrew should’ve had on a back brace with the bending over backwards he was doing for Molly. Her not going to the basketball game his brother invited her to as a peace offering??? Was he antagonizing her at the pool? YES. But sadly, this is your longterm boyfriend’s brother and you sometimes have to do things you don’t like. I genuinely think she would’ve felt entitled to never speaking or interacting with his brother ever again if they stayed together. Her saying “ I don’t understand why you would ask me to do something that makes me uncomfortable” is such a bratty response to someone that wants you to be apart of their family and his brother who was likely extending an olive branch. Everyone was try to diffuse and mitigate the situation except for her. She wanted to be inflexible and remain petty. Even with Issa, she never reached out after she caused a huge scene that literally shut the event down. Issa still reached out first, and that STILL wasn’t good enough for Molly? In the words of Dr. Rhonda “You want to be right, or do you want to be in a relationship?”

Molly wants to be right, and her wanting to be right and uncompromising in her relationSHIPS is why she burned a lot of bridges in S4.

Disclaimer: I’m not a mom. I don’t want kids, step kids, Bebe’s kids, or anything else. I’m curious from a societal standpoint…what’s wrong with Issa being a stepmom?

I’ve repeatedly heard the argument that people are upset about Issa ending up with Lawrence because she has to be a stepmom. I’m not mad at the idea of Issa ending up alone and discovering her own strength. However, narratively speaking, they tell a full story with Issa and Lawrence; how they’re soulmates, but didn’t know how to handle the difficult times of a relationship.

I guess it’s a larger question, but I’m curious why people feel that the relationship is tainted in some way because Lawrence had a child with someone else (who he doesn’t want to be with).

When people turn their noses up at Issa being a stepmom it sounds just as silly to me as when men devalue the idea of being a stepfather and taking care of someone else’s child. What’s the issue?