You both are being ridiculous. Those compound movements are excellent for muscle growth, given that they are done correctly and trained close to or all the way to failure. However movements like wrist curls and shrugs are still excellent for isolating muscles that may not get as much direct stimulation from the compounds. Tricep extensions and lateral raises are other examples. Don’t overcomplicate this
So basically Starting Strength. At a later stage it also adds power cleans, which are a great addition as they train a very different aspect hardly anything else covers.
You are perhaps an advanced lifter who has a good base that only needs a few finishing touches. But a novice would be much better served by building that base doing the aforementioned compound lifts which train multiple muscles at once, and only at a much later stage they can consider isolation exercises if aesthetics are important for them.
Also definition depends more on fat or lack thereof and less on having specifically targeted the more stubborn muscles.
No. Curls are ultra-specific and isolation exercises meant for the biceps. The commenter you’re replying to is supplying the big 5 of compound movements. They’re the “basics” for a reason.
I said what I consider the basics to be; compound movements focused on the major muscle groups. Squats, deadlifts, presses, pull-ups/downs, rows. Get good at that shit before you worry about isolation and accessory lifts.
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u/QuantumHamster 18h ago
What do you consider basic?